Real Madrid Partnership

[Misfit]

is there really such a difference for him to agree to go to spurs or arsenal? I don't think so. Pay him the wages and RM the fee and we could have done it.

What you or I think doesn't enter into it. I think if Ozil was given the choice he'd rather stay at RM and be a starter. As it is, he's going to club who overpays even average players, so are no doubt paying him very handsomely and who are in the CL this season, whether we like it or not.

 

[JimmyG2]

The elephant in the room on Ozil is the fact that Arsenal offer him Champion's League
which he has been used to at Real Madrid.
Not quite a snip at £45+ million but a fair price for a top class player.
Failure to get CL. has cost us in the past and will continue to do so.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

The murmurs banded about are that Madrid don't feel he scores enough for the positions he plays in. Interesting.

 

[StartingPrice]

I disagree that it was a connotation of the modric deal but I think Levy did have a agreement with Madrid if we were about to sell they would have first refusal. This doesnt mean we have to sell at a piss poor rate though and lets admit it, Levy makes plenty of promises he didnt keep. As for the Modric deal I was just merely highlighting thats what the reports at the time said that the partnership was to have a first option on each other players.

Levy had RM by the short-and-curlies over Modric. They needed to push the deal through the deal, we didn't, we had him on a lengthy contract.
There was very definite ITK that Levy was pushing for the club agreement and RM were quite reluctant.
I just can't see Levy, of all people, forcing them to sign a deal accepting that they must sign Bale from us even if we didn't really want to see him - it literally doesn't make any sense.

I think there is a good chance that you are right that Levy had an agreement that they could have some kind of first refusal on Bale, especially if we were receiving pressure from United/Citeh for instance. I would rather be RM's Ho for a while than United, and said this earlier (that folk should accept the position we are in and see it as an upgrade that it is now RM rather than United that we are 'Ho's to). We would rather sell the players we produce who are so exceptional we struggle to keep hold of them abroad than to domestic rivals. So I have no problem in theory accepting that we would have intimated to RM that if we were couldn't keep hold of Bale we would rather them.

What I do have a problem with is that Levy would weaken his bargaining position to such an extent by making a written agreement with them to the effect that is being suggested in this thread. And, even more, that the club agreements, the details of which have been explained several times (and they emphatically do not include 1st team squad trading, let alone a forced agreement that they should take our best player). There is no need for it to be included to envisage a case where they would get first dibs, and I just really cannot see Levy compromising his bargaining position so drastically. It literally makes no sense.

 

[beats1]

Levy had RM by the short-and-curlies over Modric. They needed to push the deal through the deal, we didn't, we had him on a lengthy contract.
There was very definite ITK that Levy was pushing for the club agreement and RM were quite reluctant.
I just can't see Levy, of all people, forcing them to sign a deal accepting that they must sign Bale from us even if we didn't really want to see him - it literally doesn't make any sense.

I think there is a good chance that you are right that Levy had an agreement that they could have some kind of first refusal on Bale, especially if we were receiving pressure from United/Citeh for instance. I would rather be RM's Ho for a while than United, and said this earlier (that folk should accept the position we are in and see it as an upgrade that it is now RM rather than United that we are 'Ho's to). We would rather sell the players we produce who are so exceptional we struggle to keep hold of them abroad than to domestic rivals. So I have no problem in theory accepting that we would have intimated to RM that if we were couldn't keep hold of Bale we would rather them.

What I do have a problem with is that Levy would weaken his bargaining position to such an extent by making a written agreement with them to the effect that is being suggested in this thread. And, even more, that the club agreements, the details of which have been explained several times (and they emphatically do not include 1st team squad trading, let alone a forced agreement that they should take our best player). There is no need for it to be included to envisage a case where they would get first dibs, and I just really cannot see Levy compromising his bargaining position so drastically. It literally makes no sense.

First refusal doesnt mean comprise the financial position at all as it doesnt mean you have to sell, it just mean if some makes a acceptable bid they have to match it to have exclusivity with that player. Real Madrid might say no and be interested in Suarez for instance it just means they dont match the bid and we let the accepted bid to go on. If anything we use it as a advantage and say so and so is offering this much and Madrid have to match or vice versa

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Thanks Real, good job on strengthening our rivals tonight. Bravo!

Poached our two best players in recent years, and gave the Goons an extra nudge to the top 4 slot.

While we continue to be bullied by Real Madrid, we will not get anywhere. For a so called hard ass, Levy doesn't have any quarms in selling our players.

Look at what Liverpool did with Suarez.

 

[septicsac]

Biggest joke of a partnership ever - they take our best players, they strengthen the Scum up the road and we get what out of it ? ? ?
Time to cut all ties, as of now !
On the bright side, good and all as Ozil is, its not exactly where they needed strengthening, mind you I still do not see our left back and it looks unlikely at this stage.

 

[OmarsComing]

Hate RM with a fucking PASSION.

 

[mpickard2087]

Why are we blaming them for this? After the transfer how could we control anything? They have covered half the Bale fee... what if it was the other way round, what would you have Levy do?

The ones I question is our club in this. I find it hard to believe we couldn't string out the Bale deal for one more day and leave Real no time to deal with other teams.

 

[lazarus]

The Spanish are very inquisitive I'm afraid.

¿Qué no?

No one expects the Spanish Acquisition....

[gets coat]

 

[StartingPrice]

Thanks Real, good job on strengthening our rivals tonight. Bravo!

Poached our two best players in recent years, and gave the Goons an extra nudge to the top 4 slot.

While we continue to be bullied by Real Madrid, we will not get anywhere. For a so called hard ass, Levy doesn't have any quarms in selling our players.

Look at what Liverpool did with Suarez.

You need to get a sense of realism - we have been getting anywhere consistently by shrewdly reinvesting from player sales. We have moved up the layer cake - we no longer get bullied by United. We used the money from Carrick and Berbatov to improve and then told them to go and do one over Modric, so, apparently, they barely tried over Bale. Get the stadium finished, put the finishing touches to our academy production line, see this team mature together, and if ever Madrid come in like this again we will either be able to tell them to do one, or milk them for all it is worth, without being impacted like we have been form the bale sale, and with an excellent chance of replacing the outgoing player either internally or by purchase.

You cite Liverpool as though it is a genius move - he is going to miss the first six games, he has publicly agitated to leave and clearly doesn't want to be there, their chances of CL football, which is what they need to placate him, is highly unlikely, and, frankly, he is a walking implosion waiting to happen - especially when disgruntled.

Maybe you should wait and see what happens with the squad we have put together, that you have hardly even seen a taster of, and what happens with Suarez, before bemoaning our handling of this situation.

 

[sweyid]

This partnership is worth fuck all. We sell them our two best players in two seasons and they run off and sell one of the best CAMs in the world to our biggest rivals. It's sickening and I'm livid.

The next time they come knocking I hope Levy tells them to do one.

Dirty scum.

 

[Spursking]

Let Arsenal pay £45 mill for him. He is not worth that. We have got money in, and spent it. We need more players in before the deadline, though.

 

[morriss]

Too late now, I reckon.

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

Why are we blaming them for this? After the transfer how could we control anything? They have covered half the Bale fee... what if it was the other way round, what would you have Levy do?

The ones I question is our club in this. I find it hard to believe we couldn't string out the Bale deal for one more day and leave Real no time to deal with other teams.

What we should have done, is told RM we will not allow a rival to strengthen as a result of selling Bale to you, you either agree to not sell to a rival or we will not sell you Bale, the end result is Bale stays or they agree, win win situation

We had that power until the transfer was signed off and I can't believe we didn't do that, while I won't say it has ruined this window, it has certainly taken the shine off it

 

[JerryGarcia]

Let Arsenal pay £45 mill for him. He is not worth that. We have got money in, and spent it. We need more players in before the deadline, though.

We'll see how good he is in the Prem. I have to say it's one thing passing the ball to Ronaldo, Benzema, Higuain and Di Maria but it's another thing passing to Giroud and Feo. He's a very good player but £45m seems over the top, mind you, £86m for Bale. It all depends what the buying club is willing to pay.

 

[StartingPrice]

First refusal doesnt mean comprise the financial position at all as it doesnt mean you have to sell, it just mean if some makes a acceptable bid they have to match it to have exclusivity with that player. Real Madrid might say no and be interested in Suarez for instance it just means they dont match the bid and we let the accepted bid to go on. If anything we use it as a advantage and say so and so is offering this much and Madrid have to match or vice versa

But the club agreements relate to specific spheres and 1st team squad player trading isn't one of them - plus - it is easy to envisage Levy giving Real the nod and the wink that if we are selling Bale we would prefer overseas to England, and maybe even give them first refusal without envisaging any kind of inclusion in the club agreement, that Levy pushed for, that do not relate to 1st team squad trading. But that is what everyone is blaming for RM getting Bale.

It doesn't make any sense. Levy has been very insistent on establishing these agreements. He pushed RM into it when he had them by the short-and-curlies. And despite the fact that the nature of these agreements has been explained several times in several articles and in several threads by several posters, there is still this need to blame them for something that there are nothing to do with and that doesn't need anything connected with it to understand it. But, folk need to blame something tangible, I suppose - its easier than just imagining a word-of-mouth understanding between Levy and the representatives of RM.


If folk say there probably was some kind of word-of-mouth agreement, I will have no problems agreeing, or, at least, not getting into a big debate about it. If the same folk say that it was part of the club agreement, I will continue to say it doesn't make any sense

 

[nightgoat]

Let Arsenal pay £45 mill for him. He is not worth that. We have got money in, and spent it. We need more players in before the deadline, though.

Just as well they didn't get Willy Boly, eh?

 

[Spursking]

We'll see how good he is in the Prem. I have to say it's one thing passing the ball to Ronaldo, Benzema, Higuain and Di Maria but it's another thing passing to Giroud and Feo. He's a very good player but £45m seems over the top, mind you, £86m for Bale. It all depends what the buying club is willing to pay.

Putting this into perspective, Everton buy McCarthy for £30 mill. What kind of football people do they have at the club. What a shame. The people have to be simply dumb.

 

[Spurs1960]

What we should have done, is told RM we will not allow a rival to strengthen as a result of selling Bale to you, you either agree to not sell to a rival or we will not sell you Bale, the end result is Bale stays or they agree, win win situation

We had that power until the transfer was signed off and I can't believe we didn't do that, while I won't say it has ruined this window, it has certainly taken the shine off it

In the real world you can't tell another business who they can sell to and who they can't.