Redknapp on signing Vieria and Suarez for Tottenham

[Bus-Conductor]

Yeah I'm not really talking about Redknapp in this instance, Jol doesn't mention him, he mentions that Levy said he couldn't have him on loan. What I'm struggling with, is the notion that THFC as whole, struggled to command £5-6m, for a player so sought after who was no older than 19 (?) that they had to offer him across the continent and still failed to get rid. It's nothing to do with whether I believe Redknapp or whatever, I don't believe that we couldn't sell him, which in turn is what makes me doubt whether we actually tried to get rid of him, you get me?

Reading the Jol comments, what I believe (could be wrong obviously) is that Bale wasn't getting much of a game, some agent or scout suggests to Jol that he might be available, Jol/Hamburg calls Levy and asks the question, Levy says no. If I'm honest, similar to what I think happened with the Forest/Birmingham link. Agent/scout talk about who might or might not be available.

As you alluded to, managers aren't adverse to lying to make themselves look better, and Jol could be doing just that, he says everything is fine with Levy but that doesn't really sit right either, considering he was sacked in the middle of a match effectively.

All that could possibly be right, or Redknapp bullshitted and did very much consider offing "soft" "jinxed" Bale on loan (like many other young players he did the same) or for sale.

When you say it's his MO and has done it at his other clubs what other examples are there? As far as I can find out, the only people that left the club in the January transfer window of 2009 were Ghaly and Sanchez? Are you being lazy or is there any information you know of or are holding back?

What other managers have said anything apart from McCleish? Why does what Bale said (about asking to go on loan but being told no) not count?

As I said earlier on, I am passing off what Jol has said as agent/scout talk. He got wind of Bale 'potentially' being available, and made an enquiry to loan him from Levy. Levy said no (Jol's words), so we obviously weren't overly intent on getting rid were we?

I think you are giving too much credit to rumour, a bit like you do with ITK when it suits.

I'm not just basing my opinion on rumour, I'm basing it on his (Redknapp's) own actions and words. What he did and said about Bale.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

All that could possibly be right, or Redknapp bullshitted and did very much consider offing "soft" "jinxed" Bale on loan (like many other young players he did the same) or for sale.


I'm not just basing my opinion on rumour, I'm basing it on his (Redknapp's) own actions and words. What he did and said about Bale.

Well you're not, because if you were then you would base it on "I was never going to let Bale leave" rather than taking what he said about him being a pussy and using that as your base for him wanting him offski.

I also don't see why he would feel the need to come clean about having nothing at all to do with signing VdV then lie about wanting to offload Bale.

 

[sloth]

No he wasn't playing Bale because Ekotto was on good form and Bale had played against Everton a month or so before and had an absolute stinker.

According to reports (rather than memory), Bale only made two sub appearances in the PL that season up until January. He's also played Bale ahead of BAE in the past, it was just that in 12 moths at the club redknapp couldn't find a place for him in the side. Now, maybe that was justified given his form, but it seems, according to Allen, and to McLeish that the reason he didn't let Bale go that January was due to injuries and not because he was preparing to give him one more chance to cement a place.

 

[sloth]

So Redknapp came in the November, decided Bale was a flop by January, and we offered him to everyone and their mother but couldn't find a buyer?

Nah mate.

And again, for the 300th time, you are forgetting that regardless of the injury that Ekotto sustained, Bale was going to get a shot while he was at the ACN. People want to forget that bit, am sure there's a Daily Mail article with as much sway as the Alex McCleish one that says so if you look hard enough.

Well yes, looks that way, played him against Fulham, the team lost for the first time since he got there and Bale had a mare, dropped him and we won, brought him on as sub in the next one and we lost at home, dropped him and we won the next five, brought him on as sub, we lost, Bale starts the next game because BAE is suspended, we lose against Wigan, starts the next one and we're losing when he's subbed, then we draw, then didn't get another sniff. This is redknapp remember, who buys or doesn't buy players based on gut instinct from watching them in a game or two, who says he's suspicious and admits that the Bale never on a winning side thing played on his mind, plus, tbf, Bale's performances were a bit shit, the guy had lost all confidence, and with the best will in the world, wasn't an amazing LB anyway.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

According to reports (rather than memory), Bale only made two sub appearances in the PL that season up until January. He's also played Bale ahead of BAE in the past, it was just that in 12 moths at the club redknapp couldn't find a place for him in the side. Now, maybe that was justified given his form, but it seems, according to Allen, and to McLeish that the reason he didn't let Bale go that January was due to injuries and not because he was preparing to give him one more chance to cement a place.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...arry-Redknapp-s-turned-me-into-a-world-player

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...app-gives-Gareth-Bale-proper-Tottenham-chance

Don't expect you to read all of those @sloth, bit long winded for what we're discussing, but this is why I don't take as gospel what Allen/McLeish say in papers, there's always one saying something else.

 

[Coyboy]

According to reports (rather than memory), Bale only made two sub appearances in the PL that season up until January. He's also played Bale ahead of BAE in the past, it was just that in 12 moths at the club redknapp couldn't find a place for him in the side. Now, maybe that was justified given his form, but it seems, according to Allen, and to McLeish that the reason he didn't let Bale go that January was due to injuries and not because he was preparing to give him one more chance to cement a place.

He came on at half time in that game. I recall him playing in cup games in 08/09 and looking pretty woeful. I do believe that he needed time to develop physically and mentally. While 10/11 was a breakthrough season and 12/13 the season where he truly became a superstar, I believe his rise was less than meteoric and development not quick or linear.

If we are talking about January 2010, he was always going to come in for Ekotto. If we are talking about the previous January, I am not sure if he was set for a loan or would be sold. I highly doubt the latter.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Redknapp had VDV, King, Modric and Bale in one team and won F**K all. Also alleged he wanted Carroll ahead of Suarez, bought back Robbie Keane once his legs had gone, and tried and failed to sell Gareth Bale for £5m. He then wonders why he was overlooked for England job and Levy giving him the "Spanish Archer".

 

[Spurs_Bear]

And then you get something like this ^^^^

 

[sloth]

He came on at half time in that game. I recall him playing in cup games in 08/09 and looking pretty woeful. I do believe that he needed time to develop physically and mentally. While 10/11 was a breakthrough season and 12/13 the season where he truly became a superstar, I believe his rise was less than meteoric and development not quick or linear.

If we are talking about January 2010, he was always going to come in for Ekotto. If we are talking about the previous January, I am not sure if he was set for a loan or would be sold. I highly doubt the latter.

Well he wasn't loaned or sold, so if they considered it they decided against it. The thing about the injury meant he had no cover then, not at the end of the window by which time he may have wheeled and dealed Bale out of the window, and another LB in. There is enough evidence from enough respected and different sources to suggest the reasons why they considered it at the various times they did, and why it didn't happen, I don't think Jol, Clive Allen, and McLeish would all lie, or have any reason to lie, plus Redknapp said he didn't fancy him and showed he didn't by not actually playing him (or at least hardly at all) in the PL for around 14 months. The fact is Bale came good, but I don't think it was due to careful man-management, or a planned approach to his development, I think BAE got injured Bale came in and did well, and we decided to keep him rather than pursue the option of flogging him or farming him out on loan.

 

[Coyboy]

Well he wasn't loaned or sold, so if they considered it they decided against it. The thing about the injury meant he had no cover then, not at the end of the window by which time he may have wheeled and dealed Bale out of the window, and another LB in. There is enough evidence from enough respected and different sources to suggest the reasons why they considered it at the various times they did, and why it didn't happen, I don't think Jol, Clive Allen, and McLeish would all lie, or have any reason to lie, plus Redknapp said he didn't fancy him and showed he didn't by not actually playing him (or at least hardly at all) in the PL for around 14 months. The fact is Bale came good, but I don't think it was due to careful man-management, or a planned approach to his development, I think BAE got injured Bale came in and did well, and we decided to keep him rather than pursue the option of flogging him or farming him out on loan.

I don't think it's as simple as that. I don't think Redknapp merely didn't fancy him and I don't believe Bale merely "came in and did well". Redknapp said this: (I think we can excuse the left back comment, if he had said that he believed Bale will be a de facto number 10 we would have all scoffed.)

“He’s worked hard, trained well and has been in good form.

“He’s beginning to take his game forward. It’s just that Benoit’s been in great form so Gareth has been unlucky not to play.

“I’m not looking for a left-back because you won’t get a better one than Gareth Bale. He’s an excellent player.”

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Well he wasn't loaned or sold, so if they considered it they decided against it. The thing about the injury meant he had no cover then, not at the end of the window by which time he may have wheeled and dealed Bale out of the window, and another LB in. There is enough evidence from enough respected and different sources to suggest the reasons why they considered it at the various times they did, and why it didn't happen, I don't think Jol, Clive Allen, and McLeish would all lie, or have any reason to lie, plus Redknapp said he didn't fancy him and showed he didn't by not actually playing him (or at least hardly at all) in the PL for around 14 months. The fact is Bale came good, but I don't think it was due to careful man-management, or a planned approach to his development, I think BAE got injured Bale came in and did well, and we decided to keep him rather than pursue the option of flogging him or farming him out on loan.

Which is fine, buy you are basing that on newspaper and manager gossip, so you cant disagree with those saying the opposite, using manager gossip and newspapers.

 

[sloth]

Which is fine, buy you are basing that on newspaper and manager gossip, so you cant disagree with those saying the opposite, using manager gossip and newspapers.

I can disagree, just as I can disagree with anyone who comes to wrong conclusions on the same evidence, what i can't say, much as I'd like to, is that you're disallowed from making those wrong conclusions, I just have to accept that some people can't see as clearly or as straight to the heart of things as me

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Massive doses of bullshit from multiple posters. Over fuck all more than who's cock is biggest.

Perhaps I too can see clearly and to the heart of things straight away

 

[davidmatzdorf]

There are so many errors of fact, historical mis-rememberings, exaggerations of what people said/did, selective belief or disbelief of what Redknapp/Jol/Allen/whoever said, based on whether the writer loves/hates Redknapp/Jol/Allen/whoever and painstakingly recited internet factoids on the past few pages of this thread that I simply cannot be bothered to go back and correct them.

It's wearying that so many people have malleable memories that are utterly subservient to their prejudices.

I'll just confine myself to general points:

1) It's much more likely that Jol is remembering incorrectly than that he is lying; it isn't the first time he has recalled events incorrectly or vaguely.

2) People love to recall Redknapp's jokes and bullshit as statements of fact - when it suits their preconceived ideas about him (either way).

3) All of the tales about selling or loaning Bale to this or that club are bound to be exaggerated: there would probably have been ten or twenty informal chats about this or that deal, over the years, for Bale and for every other player in the squad. But because Bale has gone on to become a world football star, everyone who was ever privy to a one-line bit of chatter over a beer about loaning or buying Bale is building it up into an imminent deal that nearly came off, because it makes them sound important. It's all bollocks. Even the fundamentally true bits are bollocks, because everyone has a desire to exaggerate their role in Bale's past.

 

[sloth]

There are so many errors of fact, historical mis-rememberings, exaggerations of what people said/did, selective belief or disbelief of what Redknapp/Jol/Allen/whoever said, based on whether the writer loves/hates Redknapp/Jol/Allen/whoever and painstaking recited internet factoids on the past few pages of this thread that I simply cannot be bothered to go back and correct them.

It's wearying that so many people have malleable memories that are utterly subservient to their prejudices.

I'll just confine myself to general points:

1) It's much more likely that Jol is remembering incorrectly than that he is lying; it isnp;t the fiorst time he has recalled events incorrectly or vaguely.

2) People love to recall Redknapp's jokes and bullshit as statements of fact - when it suits their preconceived ideas about him (either way).

3) All of the tales about selling or loaning Bale to this or that club are bound to be exaggerated: there would probably have been ten or twenty informal chats about this or that deal, over the years, for Bale and for every other player in the squad. But because Bale has gone on to become a world football star, everyone who was ever privy to a one-line bit of chatter over a beer about loaning or buying Bale is building it up into an imminent deal that nearly came off, because it makes them sound important. It's all bollocks. Even the fundamentally true bits are bollocks, because everyone has a desire to exaggerate their role in Bale's past.

Ah, but it's not serious DM, it's just like some grumpy old farts sitting in the Rochester of an afternoon bickering about some long standing subject they all know they don't agree on, but it makes them feel comfortable, until fucking A&C wanders in with his cowboy boots and Stetson hat and tells everyone he's got the biggest dick so shut up and whose round is it anyway!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Massive doses of bullshit from multiple posters. Over fuck all more than who's cock is biggest.

Perhaps I too can see clearly and to the heart of things straight away

Whose

 

[Coyboy]

Ali would have knocked Tyson out first round.

Just saying.

 

[sloth]

Ali would have knocked Tyson out first round.

Just saying.

Doubt it, he'd have been elusive the first few rounds, ducked and slipped his punches, and only in the later rounds taken him apart... imo.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Not according to Redknapp.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Redknapp made Ali's career you know. He bumped into him in a Ziare hotel whilst carrying his Bobby Moore's head shaped soap on rope.