Ref Watch 2022-23

[BorjeSpurs]

Pretty sure he had the yellow out for Havertz.

How is what Havertz did at all worthy of a yellow card? He has barely touched him if at all?

My point still stands that they should have confirmed with the referee team who that yellow card was for, if so.

 

[BENNO]

I still think more should have been made of the elbow thrown by Thiago Silva, which was a deliberately thrown elbow from a stationary position, rather than a debatable elbow when a player is jumping in a challenge. Sure there was pushing and shoving from both players beforehand and it 'only' caught Romero in his upper chest/neck rather than his face, but i'm pretty sure you aren't allowed to throw a deliberate elbow regardless where it lands or what happened beforehand.

Having said all that, we won and he got injured , so fuck 'em.

 

[Cavehillspur]

Whatever happened to the rule if you raise your hand to an opponent its a straight red, or have they changed that rule now aswell?

 

[brasil_spur]

I know it comes across as Spurs biased but both Silva (elbow to Romero) and Ziyech (push into Emerson's face) should be red. Emerson IMO gets away with just a yellow as it is a strong off the ball shoulder barge.

 

[chas vs dave]

Ziyech's wasn't a red, imo.

The incident was turned into a farce by poor officiating by the ref and the var team.

Silvas elbow was more of a red.

However, I actually thought atwell had a good game.

 

[werty]

How is what Havertz did at all worthy of a yellow card? He has barely touched him if at all?

My point still stands that they should have confirmed with the referee team who that yellow card was for, if so.

Havertz made a blatant attempt to trip Richalrison. He even booked him afterwards. Ziyech at least looked like he was trying to win the ball and the tackle wasn't worthy of a yellow.

 

[14/04/91]

Martin Tyler seemed to imply that Attwell had to issue the red card to enable himself the benefit of going to the monitor as VAR don't get involved for yellow cards.

If that's correct that is nonsense. Surely a ref can go to the screen for a call between a yellow & a red? Especially as it took place behind his back.

 

[JCRD]

Ziyech's wasn't a red, imo.

The incident was turned into a farce by poor officiating by the ref and the var team.

Silvas elbow was more of a red.

However, I actually thought atwell had a good game.

Im glad im not the only one who thought he had a good game. I dont think it was a red.

There is far far far too much talk of refereeing decisions and even minor ones 'oh he did this but last week when joe bloggs did that it wasnt given' - the sooner everyone accepts that there will be mistakes, there will be slight inconsistencies and there will be decisions you may not like - the better and simpler everything becomes. Dont get me started on the whole oh the referee wants Arsenal to win type mentality forgetting that against Brentford they had a clear offside given against them.

Its not this forum its more like just a general tendency for everyone to follow this approach and think it is just tiresome. As long as theyre minor decisions then I dont see the issue, a referee will make x number of decisions in a game, it is only natural some will be given for you and against you which you may not agree with.

 

[allatsea]

How is what Havertz did at all worthy of a yellow card? He has barely touched him if at all?

My point still stands that they should have confirmed with the referee team who that yellow card was for, if so.

Come on Havertz tried his best to trip him up but failed. Definite yellow.

 

[mr ashley]

I do find it interesting that the ref had his yellow out in preparation to caution havertz over ziyech there. It could have easily been for both.
havertz deliberately tries to trip richarlison but ziyech tackle is much worse.
This is why it’s vital to hear the refs talk. We could hear attwell then saying which challenge is a yellow (in his view), and also why he awarded the red.
Id be fine with hearing him explain that, because the system is what it is, and also because there was a melee (even though ziyech pushes Emerson right in front of him) that he wanted to use Var to get everything right.
Lenglet and Emerson get yellows too and I think it’s about right.
But ziyech should either get a straight red or two yellows.
To only get one yellow for both aggressive actions is wrong for me, dermot

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Whatever happened to the rule if you raise your hand to an opponent its a straight red, or have they changed that rule now aswell?

Also the rule about shirt pulling. How Chilwell didn’t get a yellow for his pull on Royal beats me. Yes the ref allowed play on but he should have booked him when the ball went out of play.

 

[14/04/91]

Also the rule about shirt pulling. How Chilwell didn’t get a yellow for his pull on Royal beats me. Yes the ref allowed play on but he should have booked him when the ball went out of play.

Some refs (quite rightly) allow play to progress but then seem to forget they should go back and issue a yellow at the next stoppage. Short memories!

There could and should be a signal given by the ref whilst signalling to play on that a yellow will be issued, a bit like a 'flag-drop' in NFL.

 

[mr ashley]

Also the rule about shirt pulling. How Chilwell didn’t get a yellow for his pull on Royal beats me. Yes the ref allowed play on but he should have booked him when the ball went out of play.

Genuinely thought he’d gone back and yellow carded him for that blatant shirt pull.
outrageous that he didn’t, especially as play stopped for foul by a spurs player (directly linked to the foul by chilwell)

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Im glad im not the only one who thought he had a good game. I dont think it was a red.

There is far far far too much talk of refereeing decisions and even minor ones 'oh he did this but last week when joe bloggs did that it wasnt given' - the sooner everyone accepts that there will be mistakes, there will be slight inconsistencies and there will be decisions you may not like - the better and simpler everything becomes. Dont get me started on the whole oh the referee wants Arsenal to win type mentality forgetting that against Brentford they had a clear offside given against them.

Its not this forum its more like just a general tendency for everyone to follow this approach and think it is just tiresome. As long as theyre minor decisions then I dont see the issue, a referee will make x number of decisions in a game, it is only natural some will be given for you and against you which you may not agree with.

This is why I want VAR scrapped. I could handle refs making mistakes before because it's difficult to see everything in real time.

There just seems to be the same amount of mistakes being made now but it's much more infuriating when it's after being able to watch a replay.

 

[Cavehillspur]

I've watched both MOTD and Ref Watch on Sky and I'm pretty amazed what the conversation have been about the Ziyech red card that VAR took away. MOTD said it was a shambles with how long it took and how he showed a red card after that long time only for him to go to watch it afterwards. Dermot Gallagher also says it took long but the most important thing was that the decison was only a yellow card which was correct in his opinion.

Most Spurs fans that watched the game on TV said the same thing. Attwell has a yellow card in his hand after Ziyech's challenge waiting to book him, but doesn't get the chance to show him the card due to the aggression from both teams. We can debate whether Ziyech's hand up in Emerson's face is a red or a yellow card, but to me it is not a debate whether it should be a card at all. With Attwell already deciding that the first challenge warranted a yellow card surely there is two bookable offences leading to a red card (one game suspension) as opposed to violent conduct and a straight red card (three games suspension).

VAR is not allowed to advice on second yellow cards, i.e. the ref is not allowed to watch VAR footage to see if a player should have got a second yellow card. It therefore seems to me that what screwed us yesterday was that Attwell went for a straight red instead of two yellows and therefore couldn't use VAR to change a straight red to two yellows.

I don't know whether above is the case but this was IMO the job of MOTD and Ref Watch to iron out instead of just looking at Zijech's hand and debating whether that act alone was worthy of a red or yellow. To make it further embarassing the ending narrative was instead that Emerson was 'pathetic' for being on the ground and whether he could have received two yellows haha.

Ive seen much much worse Warnock in terms of 'theatrics' , saying he was "made up" the red card was overturned, bit over the top from him there imo, twat. Let's see if he reacts the same next time Salah cons the ref with a dive.

 

[littlewilly]

Whatever happened to the rule if you raise your hand to an opponent its a straight red, or have they changed that rule now aswell?

That's a pundit thing. The Laws (not "rule") state: In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

Emerson was pushed on the shoulder (after Emerson had pushed him rather hard) and his hand deflected on to his chin. It wasn't a deliberate strike to his head or face. The amount of force used shouldn't have caused Emerson to fall to the ground clutching his head.

 

[easley91]

Havertz tried to bring Richarlison down and was nowhere near the ball. Cynical attempt and definite yellow. That's who the original yellow was for.

 

[Timberwolf]

Ref was a fucking joke yesterday.

I really really hate it when a ref has basically made his mind up pre-match to not give any yellows in the first half.
You see it sometimes and it's so stupid and obvious. You'll see a flying challenge in the first 2 mins - nothing.
Shirt pulling after 20 mins - nothing. Studs up challenge after 35 - nothing. Then literally seconds into the second half a yellow comes out for something far softer than anything seen in the first half. The guy on Porro's side (was it Baldock?) got away with murder in the first half yesterday all because of an arbitrary decision the ref made before the game even kicked off.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they got some presentation pre-season saying like "we want to cut first half reds by 80% this season so you need to calm it with the yellow cards until X minute" as if that's a fair approach.

It's dangerous, unfair and stupid. I don't give a shit about them wanting to 'manage the game' or whatever - a yellow card challenge should be a yellow card challenge regardless of the minute it's in and refs need to stop this bollocks.

 

[Tucker]

Ref was a fucking joke yesterday.

I really really hate it when a ref has basically made his mind up pre-match to not give any yellows in the first half.
You see it sometimes and it's so stupid and obvious. You'll see a flying challenge in the first 2 mins - nothing.
Shirt pulling after 20 mins - nothing. Studs up challenge after 35 - nothing. Then literally seconds into the second half a yellow comes out for something far softer than anything seen in the first half. The guy on Porro's side (was it Baldock?) got away with murder in the first half yesterday all because of an arbitrary decision the ref made before the game even kicked off.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they got some presentation pre-season saying like "we want to cut first half reds by 80% this season so you need to calm it with the yellow cards until X minute" as if that's a fair approach.

It's dangerous, unfair and stupid. I don't give a shit about them wanting to 'manage the game' or whatever - a yellow card challenge should be a yellow card challenge regardless of the minute it's in and refs need to stop this bollocks.

More often than not this approach is taken in games where one side is expected to dominate. Refs seem to want to even the playing field, so one side gets to commit all sorts of fouls unpunished because they’re the underdog. And in my more cynical moments I’d even suggest that there’s an element of punishing the southern softies for not being proper men against a noble bunch of northern lads so play a man’s game.

Refs in this country are a joke.

 

[Timberwolf]

More often than not this approach is taken in games where one side is expected to dominate. Refs seem to want to even the playing field, so one side gets to commit all sorts of fouls unpunished because they’re the underdog. And in my more cynical moments I’d even suggest that there’s an element of punishing the southern softies for not being proper men against a noble bunch of northern lads so play a man’s game.

Refs in this country are a joke.

Just such bollocks. It's competitive sport at the highest level not a soap opera where the refs get to play puppet master.