Robbie Keane

[Coyboy]

I want to read post about Keane. Jenas isn't Keane.

 

[Seanson]

There is so much criticism of Keane but has it ever occurred to people that he may be playing in his current deeper position under orders ? He does link the midfield and the striker well. It is not an easy position to play in and earlier this season Modric playing in a 4-4-1-1 did not work. The truth is that the team now has shape and the fact that Keane drops back into midfield a lot allows Modric a lot more freedom in his role.I actually think Modric has benefitted greatly from Keane's arrival
For those who ask whether JD and RK can play together I maintain that they can with Keane in his present deep lying role. It never worked under Jol when both played as out and out strikers because they were too similar. It means that Robbie is doing a lot of unrecognised spadework which benefitted Bent and will also benefit Defoe. Of course everyone is saying that he is not scoring goals so therefore he is playing shit but that ignores the fact that he is not playing as an out and out striker.

:clap: Makes sense to me.

Haven't been to many games lately but I was at the West Ham game and thought Keano had an excellent game despite not looking like scoring. It was easy to see why the team was playing well but Keane would not be the man at the end of every move.

As long as Keano is with Spurs there will be the usual discussions about how he's not a top class player yet he'll still be there to dig us out of a hole.

 

[Kendall]

:doh:is this thread about keane ??? because im sure the tittle said it was

why the hell do you and your merry men always have to mention jenas all the time ?

we get it .... you love him ... or you are him or your his agent ???

who cares !!!

keane is our captain .... our best forward and will be at spurs for years to come .....

Wasn't it michey who mentioned jenas to have a dig at dc boy?

yes it was you blind fuck.

 

[SpurSince57]

Hi simyid - it's all about opinons - for me robbie was inconsistent in his previous time with us

overall he was good and for me a semi-legend

but he would have long patches where he really didn't contribute much

in the end Jol, I believe, dropped him for it

and I can assure you that go back over the archives of SC and indeed other web sites and my criticisms are mild compared to many others

it doesn't make them or me right

but there were serious questions about RK in his first time round

and I think it speaks volumes that we didn't fight very hard to keep him when £20m was mentioned

no we didn't want to get rid of him, but I think JR didn't rate him too highly (maybe that's a plus for Robbie)

A very inconsistent scoring record into double figures every season he's been at Spurs.

 

[SpurSince57]

There is so much criticism of Keane but has it ever occurred to people that he may be playing in his current deeper position under orders ? He does link the midfield and the striker well. It is not an easy position to play in and earlier this season Modric playing in a 4-4-1-1 did not work. The truth is that the team now has shape and the fact that Keane drops back into midfield a lot allows Modric a lot more freedom in his role.I actually think Modric has benefitted greatly from Keane's arrival
For those who ask whether JD and RK can play together I maintain that they can with Keane in his present deep lying role. It never worked under Jol when both played as out and out strikers because they were too similar. It means that Robbie is doing a lot of unrecognised spadework which benefitted Bent and will also benefit Defoe. Of course everyone is saying that he is not scoring goals so therefore he is playing shit but that ignores the fact that he is not playing as an out and out striker.

It worked on occasion (our home win against Charlton in 2005-2006 was held up as an example of this), but on the whole it didn't; if Carrick was neutralised (and a lot of teams cottoned on to this pretty quickly) Plan B was Robinson hoofing the ball upfield, which worked fine if Mido was there to knock the ball down for Keane or JD.

I think that at the moment Harry's cutting his coat according to his cloth. Keane's the most effective of our current strikers at the linking role, so there he has to play. Bent's pretty hopeless at it, Pavlyuchenko isn't a whole heap better, Defoe—whose all-round game does seem to have improved—could do it, perhaps, but then you have the same problem you have with Keane.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Keane and Defoe can only work if Keane takes responsibility and plays the hold up role, something he's always struggled to do.

Play Keane (or Defoe) off a Kanoute or a Berbatov doing the hold up, less problem.

The goal that Pavlyuchenko scored against West Ham is why I'd like to see Modric and Pav given a chance to play off each other.

 

[SpurSince57]

Yes, he has. But at the moment he's our best bet in that role.

Or even a Mido. Unfortunately, Pavlyuchenko doesn't appear to be up to the job.

it was a peach. What a shame there haven't been more of the same.

 

[gibbs131]

Keane and Defoe can only work if Keane takes responsibility and plays the hold up role, something he's always struggled to do.

Play Keane (or Defoe) off a Kanoute or a Berbatov doing the hold up, less problem.

The goal that Pavlyuchenko scored against West Ham is why I'd like to see Modric and Pav given a chance to play off each other.

Hilarious. Harry finally finds out how to play Modric so he can make a dent and now you want to change it.

 

[Kendall]

Modric has already played off Pav, it was shocking. Modric looked lost and Pav was isolated.

 

[DC_Boy]

Wasn't it michey who mentioned jenas to have a dig at dc boy?

yes it was you blind fuck.

thank you Kendall again

your language is far more robust than mine but I can understand why you use it as the anti-jj brigade really do live in a very strange world at times

 

[DC_Boy]

back to Keane

I think it's time Pav & Defoe got a go - assuming both are fit

I think ATM Bent is our best forward - but he's injured - typical just when he was doing so well-

If however Harry perserves with the 'little combo' of course I shall support them or any team that Harry picks

I just don't expect jd/rk to work overall -

as long as harry goes by results not ideology then it's fine -

one of Hod's major faults as a manager at spurs is he would persist with formations/players with blatant disregard of the evidence that was being presented to thousands/millions of other eyes

so far the results since Keane returned have been good, so Harry can rightfully point to those and say - the table tells the truth etc

but lately the away results have been dropping off - danger signs are flashing

 

[boy-C]

personally i feel it is a bit of a waste having keane playing the deeper role we may as well play with 5 in midfield. it leaves our advanced striker isolated and having to deal with the attention of more defenders on his own.

i feel our forwards can't play up front on their own apart from bent so we need 2 forwards playing up front supporting each other and not deep, this would give the forwards more space and options and less attention from the opposition defence.

however i think arry wants us to play how we are playing at the moment because we are hard to beat. even if we are not creating much in front of goal.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Hilarious. Harry finally finds out how to play Modric so he can make a dent and now you want to change it.

Yes, lets play the same formation and tactics every week.

Modric has already played off Pav, it was shocking. Modric looked lost and Pav was isolated.

It is about adjusting tactics to suit games and situations. I can only remember Pav and Modric starting one or maybe two games as Striker and No.10 at the most (at the very start of the season when both were adjusting to life), and yet in your infinate wisdom you write that combination off as vastly inferior to the ineptitude we've been watching from Keane (and mostly Bent but Defoe on Saturday) for the last couple of months.

Yes, he has. But at the moment he's our best bet in that role.

Or even a Mido. Unfortunately, Pavlyuchenko doesn't appear to be up to the job.

it was a peach. What a shame there haven't been more of the same.

He's possibly the best in that role when he plays at his very best. That is why he needs to be dropped (rested ?), to realise that his best is the minimum requirement, not the feeble, arm flapping worst we have seen for weeks now.

Pavlyuchenko doesn't appear to be up to what exactly ? I haven't seen any performance from him that has been less influencial than the last half dozen from Keane. Considering the bloke's having his first season in the toughest of leagues, having played a whole season of Russian football back to back with euro's sandwiched inbetween and not been given a regular birth in the side all season, I think he's actually done well and scored some vital goals that won us games in the league against the likes of Liverpool and West Ham and took us to Wembley. Compared to the fat egotistical twat with dilusions of grandeur that was Mido he's been pretty good.

 

[SpurSince57]

Playing that hold-up role. I think just about everyone assumed that was what he'd been signed to do—i.e., a Berbatov replacement—but according to a couple of people who saw him play for Spartak he's not really that kind of player. I completely agree that we need to see how he does next season before judging him, because there are a lot of very good reasons why he hasn't lived up to expectations, and most people seem to feel the same way.

However, if Harry succeeds in signing someone to do that job, something's going to have to give.

 

[gibbs131]

Yes, lets play the same formation and tactics every week.

The first half of the season we played him all over the place and he was crap. Including behind the striker.

Our problem was we were changing formation every week. Same shape, different personell.

You said that Modric had the best passing rate in the last game. If he tops the stats in that position, why the hell would you want to risk any change.

It is MIND NUMBINGLY obvious that Modric has been working for us on the left since Harry put him there 2 or 3 months ago. His stats have been going up in leaps and bounds.

The left spot has been a problem position for us since Ginola left. And Modric is doing a damn fine job there.

You are just sugesting Harry doesent know what he is doing, when he already solved a huge problem for us. "What to do with Modric?"