Ron Vlaar

[Montasura]

Oh come on ffs!

Had we been linked with Vlaar before the world cup how many of you would be accepting of it?

He is a bang average defender who managed to pull off some decent performances in a good team during the world cup. He is 29, overpriced because of the aforementioned international performances, and ill suited for the way Poch is going to have our team play.

Levy isn't going anywhere near this one, and rightfully so IMO.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Oh come on ffs!

Had we been linked with Vlaar before the world cup how many of you would be accepting of it?

He is a bang average defender who managed to pull off some decent performances in a good team during the world cup. He is 29, overpriced because of the aforementioned international performances, and ill suited for the way Poch is going to have our team play.

Levy isn't going anywhere near this one, and rightfully so IMO.

Based of WC form, we should be chasing Yepes (38), Rodriguez - Mexico cb (32), Marquez (35), Kuyt - auxiliary left wing back (34)... the list goes on. Vlaar has been dreadful for Villa and he's always been someone to target when we've played them.

 

[paulcumpstone]

would be a terrible signing off the back of a few decent games in the WC, would say alot for our scouting system if we were seriously looking at Ron pissing Vlaar

 

[Mouse!]

I think some people need to realise that just sticking good centre-backs in the same team won't necessarily mean a solid defence.

As an individual, Vlaar wouldn't be the best CB available, but a Vertonghen-Vlaar partnership could be really solid IMO.

 

[crokey]

I mentioned last week that he would be a great signing for us, a cheap, experienced, strong, quick, defensively sound leader and proven dutch international.

Quite simply he is the best CB outside the top 8, and by a country mile.

What is there not to like?

It's because he plays for Villa isn't it? Not as cool as Swansea or Southampton.

 

[danielneeds]

Based of WC form, we should be chasing Yepes (38), Rodriguez - Mexico cb (32), Marquez (35), Kuyt - auxiliary left wing back (34)... the list goes on. Vlaar has been dreadful for Villa and he's always been someone to target when we've played them.

You can add Van Buyten for Belgium - 36, Demichelis for the Argies - 33, Umana for Costa Rica - 32 etc, etc.

Doesn't this tell you something? That a lot of managers worth their salt rely on experience in the CB position. You need legs to fly up and down the wings, to go box to box, or to run the channels as a striker. There is no substitute for experience at centre half though.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

You can add Van Buyten for Belgium - 36, Demichelis for the Argies - 33, Umana for Costa Rica - 32 etc, etc.

Doesn't this tell you something? That a lot of managers worth their salt rely on experience in the CB position. You need legs to fly up and down the wings, to go box to box, or to run the channels as a striker. There is no substitute for experience at centre half though.

If that was the case we may as well keep Dawson.

You need experience and QUALITY, which rules out Vlaar and Dawson.

 

[danielneeds]

If that was the case we may as well keep Dawson.

You need experience and QUALITY, which rules out Vlaar and Dawson.

If Dawson ever gets to a World Cup semi-final, keeping a clean sheet, then we can talk. Vlaar has been a shining light for Villa, their fans would be devastated to lose him. Dawson has been a car crash for a couple of years.

I'll point you again to these stats, which suggest his qualities compare favourably to people in much better teams.

 

[Mr Pink]

I'm not sure if Vlar is suitable but then again he could forge a very strong partnership with Vertonghen.
Blending the ball playing qualities of Vertonghen with the commanding presence of Vlar who can organise and lead could work a treat. Vlar certainly can lead, that's for sure.

He wouldn't of been my choice but I can see some merit in this.

Some over the top stuff being spouted though. He's not exactly rapid but he's some very good qualities as well.

Villa were a mess last season, you can't castigate Vlar for that...its a team game ffs.

 

[DanNolan]

Those stats only really show me that he had more work to do that the others, his heading percentage isn't great.... It's not like it's tackle percentage or duels won.
These stats. Are created solely for these sort of debates with no real substance. Of course he had to tackle more block more and clear more, his team never had the ball?! Weak argument really based on those stats.

 

[ButchCassidy]

Those stats only really show me that he had more work to do that the others, his heading percentage isn't great.... It's not like it's tackle percentage or duels won.
These stats. Are created solely for these sort of debates with no real substance. Of course he had to tackle more block more and clear more, his team never had the ball?! Weak argument really based on those stats.

Maybe you'll like these stats more:

If his good stats were simply down to defending more, you'd expect him to, for example, have more errors leading to goals, commit more fouls, and have a poorer duel percentage; instead he has by FAR the highest successful tackles percentage AS WELL as most tackles per 90, second best duel percentage, and even more impressive 0 goal-creating errors even while surrounded by Villa players. I'm not one of those people who think that stats tell you everything, especially for defenders - but you have to admit, stats do mean at least a little, and Vlaar's stats are good.

 

[Snarfalicious]

I'm not totally opposed to the idea of Vlaar.

As others have said, it seems like a weird transfer given Levy’s modus operandi. However, if he can provide an upgrade on Dawson (Which I believe he can), then I see it as an easy way to improve our backline immediately with a reasonable addition fee-wise. The swap-deal stuff is likely bullshit.

I still would like to see us go for Virgil van Dijk or Stefan de Vrij. But, seeing as how there have been no links whatsoever, it appears those guys, if they move, will be going elsewhere.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

If Dawson ever gets to a World Cup semi-final, keeping a clean sheet, then we can talk. Vlaar has been a shining light for Villa, their fans would be devastated to lose him. Dawson has been a car crash for a couple of years.

I'll point you again to these stats, which suggest his qualities compare favourably to people in much better teams.

Stats are a waste of time, according to them Rose was the 4th best left back in the prem last season when in reality he was a crock of shit.

 

[ButchCassidy]

Stats are a waste of time, according to them Rose was the 4th best left back in the prem last season when in reality he was a crock of shit.

According to who?? Because according to Squawka, which is the stats engine everyone is using for these matrices, Danny Rose was the 116th best defender in the PL last season.

 

[rabbikeane]

Think he's an upgrade on Michael Dawson, but also that if Vlaar push high in a Spurs defence while Dawson sit deep in a Villa defence then Dawson will look the better. Have to look at what type of players we sign and whether they fit into the needs of our system. Villa fans will be sad to see Vlaar go, but they also admit that he has his flaws and had his issues with them last season. Think there are better options for us out there.

 

[Air Jordan 3]

My initial reaction on this was no but I do remember every time I have watched Villa thinking he is too good for them, so I can live with it.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

You can add Van Buyten for Belgium - 36, Demichelis for the Argies - 33, Umana for Costa Rica - 32 etc, etc.

Doesn't this tell you something? That a lot of managers worth their salt rely on experience in the CB position. You need legs to fly up and down the wings, to go box to box, or to run the channels as a striker. There is no substitute for experience at centre half though.

Talent helps. Van Buyton and Demichelis were two of the very best in their prime. Vlar wasn't.

 

[yido_number1]

Maybe you'll like these stats more:

If his good stats were simply down to defending more, you'd expect him to, for example, have more errors leading to goals, commit more fouls, and have a poorer duel percentage; instead he has by FAR the highest successful tackles percentage AS WELL as most tackles per 90, second best duel percentage, and even more impressive 0 goal-creating errors even while surrounded by Villa players. I'm not one of those people who think that stats tell you everything, especially for defenders - but you have to admit, stats do mean at least a little, and Vlaar's stats are good.

Can you run one comparing him to the other villa defenders and possibly to other defenders that finished around villa in the league. ?

 

[SpurSince57]

[quote="danielneeds, post: 4136409, member: 1353"]If Dawson ever gets to a World Cup semi-final, keeping a clean sheet, then we can talk. Vlaar has been a shining light for Villa, their fans would be devastated to lose him. Dawson has been a car crash for a couple of years.

I'll point you again to these stats, which suggest his qualities compare favourably to people in much better teams.

[/quote]

So Dawson's 13 clean sheets in the league last season don't count?

In fact, running up a Squawka matrix that includes Dawson and Kaboul as well as Vlaar and Lovren is rather instructive, particularly if you include the passing stats, blocks and interceptions.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I don't think Vlar's a bad CB, I certainly think he's a bit better than Dawson, I just think at 29, there are younger options out there like Schar, who would also cost less and last us longer.