Ross Barkley

[shelfmonkey]

I think Everton fans thought he was going to be a real worldy when he broke through in his teens and are frustrated that he isn't the best player in the world by now, that doesn't mean he isn't very good, it more likely means that they are delusional about their club, they are scousers after all.

And that he has had poor coaching.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

What gets me though is this guy is often high up in the table for players in chances created and key passes. Plus he's now got a few seasons of solid assist production showing that it's likely not just a fluke.

So if he makes poor decisions a lot he must be getting into amazing positions all the time to make a bunch of poor decisions plus enough good ones to be that high up the chances created charts.

Yup, I think a few people on here look at Barkley like, say, United fans looked at Kane for a long time.

 

[arunspurs]

I think Everton fans thought he was going to be a real worldy when he broke through in his teens and are frustrated that he isn't the best player in the world by now, that doesn't mean he isn't very good, it more likely means that they are delusional about their club, they are scousers after all.

Barkley's absolute best has come when players around him click & consistently play well. But that's been rare at Everton. Often he tries some good passes or flicks but his team mates around him aren't at same wavelength as him. At least in our side right from CBs everyone can play with & without ball, make runs for his thro passes.
I firmly believe his quality will be shown better in our side. There are players like Eriksen or Gylfi who make average or bad team look good. But Barkley is still not that player. Hopefully If he comes , Poch can make him that dynamic player.

 

[ebzrascal]

I see Barkley as eventual replacement for Dembele in a deeper role

 

[$hoguN]

I see Barkley as eventual replacement for Dembele in a deeper role

Considering we have Onomah and Winks both of which are far more suited to midfield can I ask why? Barkley has only ever looked effective as part of a 3 behind a striker

 

[worcestersauce]

Considering we have Onomah and Winks both of which are far more suited to midfield can I ask why? Barkley has only ever looked effective as part of a 3 behind a striker

Can I ask you a genuine question, do you think Onomah or Winks are better than Barkley?

 

[Pizza]

Considering we have Onomah and Winks both of which are far more suited to midfield can I ask why? Barkley has only ever looked effective as part of a 3 behind a striker

He's barely played in the Premier League and has never been deployed in that role at a high level. Let's see what he can do before you overhype him like a liverpool supporter.

Winks looks good but he's coming off a serious ankle injury and doesn't have Barkley's more robust physique.

 

[$hoguN]

Can I ask you a genuine question, do you think Onomah or Winks are better than Barkley?

They play different positions as I have said but if I had a choice between Winks or Barkley in CM I would take Winks every time.

Onomah has yet to be given opportunities in his favoured role, so I can't comment on him yet. However the post I was replying to said they see him as a long term replacement, so it naturally leads to the question why, considering he doesn't play there and we have two young lads being blooded who do

 

[Pizza]

They play different positions as I have said but if I had a choice between Winks or Barkley in CM I would take Winks every time.

Onomah has yet to be given opportunities in his favoured role, so I can't comment on him yet. However the post I was replying to said they see him as a long term replacement, so it naturally leads to the question why, considering he doesn't play there and we have two young lads being blooded who do

Dembele wasn't originally a midfielder; he was succesfully converted into one.

Barkley may have played most of his football further up the pitch, but he certainly has the assets to play deeper.

 

[Sweech]

Yup, I think a few people on here look at Barkley like, say, United fans looked at Kane for a long time.

My only fear is the confirmation bias. The guy could finish with double digit assists, but every misplaced pass is going to be over scrutinized and everyone will continue to claim he's dumb.

Short of becoming Ronaldo the criticism will likely continue, it's really a no win situation. That said plenty of fans still love to criticize Eriksen so maybe it's just up to me to ignore the morons.

 

[arunspurs]

Dembele wasn't originally a midfielder; he was succesfully converted into one.

Barkley may have played most of his football further up the pitch, but he certainly has the assets to play deeper.

Of the 3 (Winks, Onomah, Barkley), Winks is the best CM. Jury is still out on Onomah. He had a brilliant U20, but he still got to deliver in PL. Hopefully he will be played in his deep midfield.

As for as Barkley, I can see why people want to play him at CM. But given the options there with Winks, Dier, Wanyama, Dembele, I would rather play Barkley in the 3 behind Kane. Thats where he could do his most damage. Also, it covers his defensive frailities a bit. Winks recycles the ball well & keeps the team going. But he still needs to show his abilities in the final third & scoring from MF. Barkley can find that final pass.

For me, Barkley competes with Dele, Son & Eriksen. If we also buy Lemar, its the same. Sissoko isnt upto it. Lamela is out for the calendar year (most likely). Son isnt going to play in August. Dele is going to miss 3 CL games. We havent even started the preseason yet. Opportunities will be there for Barkley. It will be up to him whether he takes it

 

[arunspurs]

My only fear is the confirmation bias. The guy could finish with double digit assists, but every misplaced pass is going to be over scrutinized and everyone will continue to claim he's dumb.

Short of becoming Ronaldo the criticism will likely continue, it's really a no win situation. That said plenty of fans still love to criticize Eriksen so maybe it's just up to me to ignore the morons.

Lamela is downright 50-50 among Spurs fans. Am pretty sure, Barkley will be well far liked/favoured than him.
End of the day, if he performs, he will be revered. Its in his hands.

 

[King of Otters]

And that he has had poor coaching.

Is Koeman a poor coach?

 

[idontgetit]

Doesn't Barkley play the same position as Alli?

 

[Kiedis]

Is Koeman a poor coach?

Don't really know if developing players is his best asset.

 

[DanielCHillier]

Can I ask you a genuine question, do you think Onomah or Winks are better than Barkley?

Onomah, not at the moment. Winks, 100% yes.

 

[worcestersauce]

Is Koeman a poor coach?

Not as good as Pochottino.

 

[Marty]

Is Koeman a poor coach?

One year with Koeman doesn't make up for three years of "I don't do defensive training or tactical instructions" Martinez.

Still, I struggle to see why Barkley apparently is Poch's number one target. It's one of those where we just have to trust the gaffer. Of course, with Sissoko in mind, that might not be easy to do...

 

[HildoSpur]

I think he would be a very astute signing.

 

[HildoSpur]

My only fear is the confirmation bias. The guy could finish with double digit assists, but every misplaced pass is going to be over scrutinized and everyone will continue to claim he's dumb.

Short of becoming Ronaldo the criticism will likely continue, it's really a no win situation. That said plenty of fans still love to criticize Eriksen so maybe it's just up to me to ignore the morons.

Ive no doubt if he came and got 10+ assists and scored a few goals for us most people would get off his back and support him.