sack him

[Mr Pink]

If we totally implode and finish outside the top 4, somebody just posed the question:

'If Tottenham fans do not want him in charge of their team, why should we as a country want him in charge of our national side?'​

 

[seanwhite1961]

As I said yesterday, the fact that we have imploded at exactly the same time in the season, but with a better, more mature and more experienced side, no CL football, and from a much better position in the league, is what really bothers me. It may be the limit of 'Arry's ability to take us as far as he did - in which case we should thank him for what he has done. What I don't want to see, if he doesn't get the Angrrrrrlund job, is for us to get into a good position for the third season running and then implode, because it really would suggest a causal link. If we had had a poor(er) start to the season and finished like a house on fire, even if we got exactly the same number of points as we will do anyway this season, I would not feel this disquiet.

The Goons have always played sheeeeeee-ite hoof-and-chase-it crap results first and last football, exactlyfor in the recent epoch, when they have copied us

You could easily argue this is the 3rd season it's happened:

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16-Jan-10 ​

Hull City H 0-0

20-Jan-10 ​

Liverpool A 0-2​

26-Jan-10 ​

Fulham H 2-0

30-Jan-10 ​

Birmingham City A 1-1

06-Feb-10 ​

Aston Villa H 0-0

09-Feb-10 ​

Wolves A 0-1

6 points from 6 games. Remember Liverpool had half their team missing and just dismissed us. The display at Wolves was akin to what we saw against Norwich.

Last season also 6 points from 6 games from end of Feb which became 9 points from 10 games.

This season 6 points from 8 games.(14 points from 13 games also from mid-January as in 2010).

 

[HappySpur]

Hmmm! You're not the brightest spark are you? No one is suggesting what you have posted at all. My guess is you have made an attempt to deflect from the obvious point I was making in order to draw attention away from your own idiotic ramblings. It hasn't worked. Either that or you have spectacularly missed the point.

It's exactly what you said though. Your point was that according to the game against us, that average defender would provide enough to secure us 4th. It was a daft statement. And now you are deflecting

Here it is
For the record Gary Cahill made one particularly outstanding block/clearance off the line in the game at Stamford Bridge. That kind of average defending cost us 2 points on the day, (3 in terms of the gap on Chelsea). That kind of averaging defending could be the difference between 4th and 5th. In short, we should have signed him for exactly the reasons that we're now witnessing. Lack of options at the back.

So look mate, fucking have a go. Obviously it makes your world make sense, to talk like this. But you said the above which is we should sign Cahill because he's the difference between 4th and 5th and your argument for him being the difference was one fucking block in one fucking game. Maybe you meant to say something more clear, but you didn't. NOT MY FAULT. BUT YOU MADE IT CLEAR THAT YOU THINK I'M STUPID. So act all uppity. But you made the statement, now back it up with more than his one blocked shot.

And I'm done arguing Cahill with inferiors

 

[StartingPrice]

Clearly.

Like I said, I really would be peeved if we kept him (if he doesn't go to AngrrrrrLund), spend a shed-load of money, get into a fantastic position again...and implode again at the same stage of the season - it would be just too much of a coincidence.

It is a genuine worry...and I don't think even the most ardent Redknapp supporters should be dismissing it.

There is no shame in having reached your level, and maybe 'Arry has.

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

But you said the above which is we should sign Cahill because he's the difference between 4th and 5th

Pretty clearly, I did not say that at all. Calm yourself down. All I said is that that one, specific, block was pretty good defending for someone you have labelled as an average defender and, all other things remaining equal, it cost us 2 points, (3 against Chelsea's points total). And that could be the difference between 4th and 5th. All other things remaining equal. The word you want to pay special attention to is 'could'.

Take a breathe. Try not to work yourself up into a rage. It is possible for people to disagree. Like we do.

 

[beals]

Its been a truely miserable fews weeks, however is sacking Harry really the answer. Personally I had enough of seeing the revolving door at WHL, every other season a new man arrived to a fanfare only to followed by the boot. It got us nowhere, we haven't had it as good, as we have under Harry, unless you can remember the sixties. I remember sitting through all the dross of the late 80's and all the 90's, we would of killed to even be near the position we are now. Again personally speaking Harry has to get some credit for that, as he is due some criticism for how the team are proforming at the moment.

However sacking him is not the answer, not to long ago Le Arse fans wanted Wenger gone now look at them, we made a decision to hire Harry, so why should it change now. If Harry goes to England in the summer fair enough, good luck, I just hope that we havn't all committed mass suicide, and are looking foward to a renewed campaign in the CL and have a nice new shiny FA in our cabinet.

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

Clearly.

Like I said, I really would be peeved if we kept him (if he doesn't go to AngrrrrrLund), spend a shed-load of money, get into a fantastic position again...and implode again at the same stage of the season - it would be just too much of a coincidence.

It is a genuine worry...and I don't think even the most ardent Redknapp supporters should be dismissing it.

There is no shame in having reached your level, and maybe 'Arry has.

How much money do you think we spent in the last summer window? It wasn't much was it? I'd be pretty pissed if he went out and spent a load of money, (and I mean a load of money), and we weren't able to last the distance. It would have to be a load of money though.

 

[seanwhite1961]

A closer look at the bad runs from Jan/Feb shows it has got worse each season:

2010: 1pt per game
Finished 4th
2011: 0.9pts per game
Finished 5th
2012: 0.66pts per game
To finish 6th?

 

[adiepf]

Sorry, I thought this was Spurs Community, home of ridiculous hyperbole?

I thought my post fitted in well.

I think anyone suggesting Redknapp should be sacked, now, should genuinely do one. It's beyond ridiculous.

And, to be honest, my comment (as tongue in cheek as it was) still rings true. Arsenal fans were baying for Wenger to go - they've shut the f**k up now, haven't they?

Take a step back and look at the season.

This is the best squad that I can remember, definitely.

But you are so unbelievably wide of the mark with the weakest league in 15 years, this league is twice as strong as when we bottled it under Jol and finished 5th. Not even close.

sorry but this is rubbish...

chelsea are old & close to being finished, Liverpool are literally shocking, Arsenal are a shadow of the team theyve had over the last god knows how many years & this is easily the worst Manchester United team probably to grace the prem....Man City squad is better by a mile than everyones & the fact is mancini has made a right balls up of their season....

this league was wide open for the first time in forever & we have players that 90% of the teams in the division would take in a heartbeat...BALE, MODRIC, ADEBAYOR, LENNON, VAN DER VAART, PARKER, WALKER, KABOUL....

 

[Stoof]

sorry but this is rubbish...

chelsea are old & close to being finished, Liverpool are literally shocking, Arsenal are a shadow of the team theyve had over the last god knows how many years & this is easily the worst Manchester United team probably to grace the prem....Man City squad is better by a mile than everyones & the fact is mancini has made a right balls up of their season....

this league was wide open for the first time in forever & we have players that 90% of the teams in the division would take in a heartbeat...BALE, MODRIC, ADEBAYOR, LENNON, VAN DER VAART, PARKER, WALKER, KABOUL....

The worst Manchester United team taught us a footballing lesson. The Manchester City team did the same.

So the other 10% (two teams) wouldn't? So that would make us 3rd? Where we've been, and where we're two points off at the moment?

I'm sorry to pick holes in your argument, adiepf, but it's clear your agenda goes before factual, logical argument - something which has hurt your reputation as a poster on here before.

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

BALE, MODRIC, ADEBAYOR, LENNON, VAN DER VAART, PARKER, WALKER, KABOUL....

Bale - Left midfield, covered by...
Adebayor - Centre forward, covered by...
Lennon - Right midfield, covered by...
Walker - Right back, covered by...

On the one hand there are posters claiming we have players that any other side would be pleased to have, and they're right. On the other hand there are posters claiming we haven't rotated enough. In the above instances who comes in for the players when we want to rotate? Bear in mind that players we have loaned out, (presumably to reduce the wage bill), cannot play for us, therefore saying Corluka, Pienaar etc., is not really constructive.

 

[Mr Pink]

The worst Manchester United team taught us a footballing lesson. The Manchester City team did the same.

So the other 10% (two teams) wouldn't? So that would make us 3rd? Where we've been, and where we're two points off at the moment?

I'm sorry to pick holes in your argument, adiepf, but it's clear your agenda goes before factual, logical argument - something which has hurt your reputation as a poster on here before.

Not to nitpick but there were pretty big mitigating factors at the start of the season, a better example would be to look at the recent games between the two of them. Away at City - within inches of beating them and losing was an incredibly harsh given the missed red cards, and against United we actually bossed them, a couple of sloppy moments aside and having just the rub of the green for once against them - and it could of been different.

 

[adiepf]

The worst Manchester United team taught us a footballing lesson. The Manchester City team did the same.

So the other 10% (two teams) wouldn't? So that would make us 3rd? Where we've been, and where we're two points off at the moment?

I'm sorry to pick holes in your argument, adiepf, but it's clear your agenda goes before factual, logical argument - something which has hurt your reputation as a poster on here before.

if the manager had bothered playing the system that every man & his dog knows we should play then perhaps man utd & man city wouldnt have played us off the park??..

also perhaps we wouldnt be imploding for the 2nd season on the trott & failing to beat wolves, stoke, norwich, sunderland etc, etc when we were in an absolutely amazing position!..

its so easy to predict it as well...if you play your best players out of position week in week out & change formation all the fucking time what the hell do you expect?..

people have to get this "redknapp agenda" bullshit out of their minds as well ffs....i have no such agend & i have posted plenty of praise for Harry during this season if anyone would care to look!!...the point is & this amazes me more than anything that people arent grasping it...

it could be jose mourinho in charge of us right now & my stance would be the same, the run we are on is NOT a blip...its NOT just a bad patch, it is literally one of the worst falls from grace ive ever witnessed, we were fucking 3 million miles ahead of 4th on the 26th feb!!!!!!!!!...

this isnt knee jerk, it happened last year & his excuses have been pndered to over the summer with parker, friedel, adebayor et al & guess what its happening again!!!!!!!!....

if he satys it will happen again next year its that simple....its so easy to predict its a joke!!...hes had his time!!

& ffs stoof & whoever else thinks i have an agenda, take a look at the last say 20 posts before this thread was made & tell me i havent given the guy credit...i have, but this fall is nothing short of shambolic & an embarassment...& he doesnt even take responsiblity!!..

perhaps if he just took resposibilty or even started talking as "us" instaed of "they" or "tottenham" maybe he would get a little more credit???

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

so you're saying you don't think he's all he's cracked up to be?

 

[spurs]

Stupid thread.
In January, Defoe was 1cm away from scoring the winner v City and we were playing the most attractive football in the league.
Things haven't gone well since then due to numerous small factors and some bad luck with decisions and not getting what we deserved from games but in that time we have only lost ONE game that we should have won.

Jose was 10 points clear in La Liga and is now only 1 point clear.

This is exactly the time when the club needs the supporters to support.

 

[ReadieSpur]

Bale - Left midfield, covered by... Defoe
Adebayor - Centre forward, covered by... Defoe
Lennon - Right midfield, covered by... Defoe
Walker - Right back, covered by... Defoe

 

[adiepf]

so you're saying you don't think he's all he's cracked up to be?

erm...lol...eh yeah i guess

but in all seriousness now for the likes of stoof or ryan etc, its clear that Harry Redknapp is a decent football manager, he has made a living in top division in england for god knows how many years & he has won an fa cup (which people mock cos of his career length but how many managers can say theyve won an fa cup?)...

my point is that we need a better manager to push on, he is more suited to managing a team with no expectation because thats the just the kind of club which suits his style imo...

we are a top club, regardless of our recent lack of trophies tottenham hotspur is still a top top club & we have all the facilities in place, including the playing staff to be an even better club that consistantly challenges for honors..

our recent run of shambolic form is down to the manager & i dont care wether that harry redknapp, jose mourinho or fucking donald duck...its his fault, he picks the side, he picks the tactics, he picks the transfer targets & he decides who we let go!

14pts from 13 games.....thats relegation form for the 2nd season running....its abysmal & its such a disgraceful fall in form that alarm bells should be ringing everywhere....when is it Harrys fault????

 

[seanwhite1961]

Interesting to note that this season 3 lower league clubs did sack their manager when perceived to be doing fairly well, but perhaps not living up to their chairman's expectations:

Leeds: 9 points from Warnock's 10 games v 14 points from Grayson's last 10 games - 30% less points
Sheffield Weds: 22 points from Jones's 8 games v 11 points from Megson's last 8 games - 50% more points
Huddersfield: 19 points from Grayson's 12 games v 17 points from Clark's last 12 games - 20% more points

Leeds had 4 games without a permanent manager, winning 2/losing 2, equivalent to getting 15 points from 10 games.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

& ffs stoof & whoever else thinks i have an agenda, take a look at the last say 20 posts before this thread was made & tell me i havent given the guy credit...i have, but this fall is nothing short of shambolic & an embarassment...& he doesnt even take responsiblity!!..

perhaps if he just took resposibilty or even started talking as "us" instaed of "they" or "tottenham" maybe he would get a little more credit???

The thing is Adie, yes, you HAVE given him credit but as soon as things stopped going according to plan you've reverted this stuff again. There's no in between. You wanted him out at the end of last season and two games into this season, then you were full of praise and beating down massive hard-ons and now, again, you've started up wanting him out again. So basically, whoever runs the club is only ever three or four results from being on the end of one of your rants.

And he HAS been saying 'us' and 'we' quite a bit, there were a few posts on the subject a short while ago although I can't remember which thread it was in.

Wether you have an agenda or not only you really know but you are making it look like you do.

 

[adiepf]

The thing is Adie, yes, you HAVE given him credit but as soon as things stopped going according to plan you've reverted this stuff again. There's no in between. You wanted him out at the end of last season and two games into this season, then you were full of praise and beating down massive hard-ons and now, again, you've started up wanting him out again. So basically, whoever runs the club is only ever three or four results from being on the end of one of your rants.

And he HAS been saying 'us' and 'we' quite a bit, there were a few posts on the subject a short while ago although I can't remember which thread it was in.

Wether you have an agenda or not only you really know but you are making it look like you do.

its because there is no in between in form with redknapp as manager....we are either bloody good or absolutely shocking..

if there was an in between we wouldnt be on the cusp of losing our top 4 status would we because we would have scraped some draws & wins in the this awful run & i would keep my mouth shut (to the relief of many)