Saido Berahino

[ShayLaB]

The only things we see are the public pronouncements.

He may be a complete tit or may legitimately feel betrayed by the club.

As was mentioned above I am sure Poch has a much clearer understanding on the current situation. If he still wants him, I still want him.

 

[fatpiranha]

I am honestly baffled as to why people think Berahino is good enough for Spurs. I'd prefer Ighalo or Deeney anyday and that's without the attitude concerns. Personally I hope this one is dead in the water.

 

[Shadydan]

Poch has the habit of introducing new signings slowly; and I fear that Bera is nowhere near match fit. So even if we sign him early January, it'll take sometime before he is at Poch's fitness level and may not be of help to us until possibly mid-Feb?

Doubt it will take a month to get up to speed He has played some football let's not forget, I mean it's not as if he's not been training.

Plus I believe that he will start off on the bench so I doubt there will be any immediate 90 min full games.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Footy fans are funny. Making assumptions on the guys character from comments of people that probably are ITK but all have their own agendas. The only opinion that matters to me is Poch's. If he really wants him that badly we have to trust him. He obviously knows far more than any of us about this kid and sees something that the team will benefit from.

So far with probably the exception of Fazio he has done great business for us. Made £5mil in 2014/15 according to Wiki and broke even so far this season. Probably saved a fair bit on the wage bill as well with the amount of players he got off our books. Have some faith guys.

 

[goughie1966]

10 pages to sift through on another WBA forum.
http://www.wbaunofficial.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=47846

 

[Mr Pink]

I am honestly baffled as to why people think Berahino is good enough for Spurs. I'd prefer Ighalo or Deeney anyday and that's without the attitude concerns. Personally I hope this one is dead in the water.

So you're baffled as to why Poch would want him too then I assume?

Hmm...somehow I think he's earned people's trust in respect of his judgement - don't you?

I understand some are concerned regarding potential attitude issues but we really arn't privy to all the behind the scene details so there isn't any point in worrying about it.

We have to trust Poch and Levy etc. You don't think they would want to ruin our fantastic squad spirit - rhetorically speaking.

 

[Anurag Jo]

10 pages to sift through on another WBA forum.
http://www.wbaunofficial.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=47846

One of the posts on the forum.

Because its about managing people. Yes a human is responsible for his own actions but an education is needed for some people particularly someone with his circumstances.

He is a young kid who had, Clarke, Pepe Mel, Irvine and Pulis leading him in a short space of time. The incident of not taking the ball into the corner flag and Morrison starting a fight with him is a classic example of mis-management. Berahino was made a massive scapegoat for that game but we didn't draw the game becuase of him, it was because of the overall team and a good management team would have protected him.

The transfer window just gone, yes he was an idiot tweeting nonsense but surely you can manage the situation better and stop him for being a prick.

Pulis publicly lambasts him in the press. What does this achieve? Why air your problems in public when you don't have to?

He has constantly played out of position and we have under utilised him. I really feel we have wasted an opportunity with him.

This is not me defending him, this is me saying whilst he has been a massive problem, the club have in my opinion not managed him well.

Edit:One more

Saido is one of the most complicated players I know of.

An excellent trainer, always looking to improve himself who will take on board any and all advice given to him by coaches and experienced team mates while in training. Often arrives early and stays late to work on things and spends a good amount of time with the youth kids helping them out, and yes, in a very positive way. He does a lot of strong charity work and unlike Sess is always up for doing the clubs charity duties with no complaint. Has the support and love of his Mother who he listens to and who tries to guide him.

Then there are the hangers on and his agent. He is very easily lead, maybe because of a lack of a Father figure but one phone call seems to be able to change him into a complete, ignorant, arrogant prick who fights his team mates, belittles the ability and worth of the likes of Brunt and Morrison and walks around like Billy Big Bollocks.

Pulis has really, really tried, Fletcher has bent over fucking backwards to try to help him, if he won't even respect Fletcher, who has won more than he can fucking dream of, what hope is there?

 

[Anurag Jo]

Amidst all the stick the WBA fans are giving him its worth noting that they rate him very very highly and think that he is destined for greatness.
Its better to take an opinion of fans of the same club than outsiders who have much less knowledge of the player.So those who are doubting him maybe in for a surprise.

 

[Shadydan]

Amidst all this, I remember when some people wanted Tony Pulis to come in as Spurs manager,

 

[Atomic Flea]

A lot of people on here complaining about Berahinos attitude problems and the fact he spoke out on Twitter after he was denied a move. If this is related to the so called attitude issues then by that logic we should have never went for Schneiderlin this summer. Didn't he speak out after being denied a move to us last summer?

At the end of the day, if you were offered a better job with more money etc, we would all be pissed off if we were denied the chance to leave. Don't see why this is any different.

If Poch wants him, back him.

 

[danielneeds]

I am honestly baffled as to why people think Berahino is good enough for Spurs. I'd prefer Ighalo or Deeney anyday and that's without the attitude concerns. Personally I hope this one is dead in the water.

Ighalo is certainly one to look at, but Deeney is just a big lump who is doing well because there aren't many about in the PL these days. Watford play extremely direct to suit his strength, and we don't, there's no evidence to say he can adapt his game. And for Ighalo, remember Sahko was tearing up the league for a few months last season, and then Papiss Cisse did it for a while at Toon before fading away. Just because you are hot doesn't mean you are one to be got.

Berahino has a superb scoring record in the PL for a 22 year old, who plays for a very agricultural team, with a lack of creativity, I've certainly got my doubts about him too, but I can also see why Poch and Mitchell are interested.

 

[fatpiranha]

So you're baffled as to why Poch would want him too then I assume?

Hmm...somehow I think he's earned people's trust in respect of his judgement - don't you?

I understand some are concerned regarding potential attitude issues but we really arn't privy to all the behind the scene details so there isn't any point in worrying about it.

We have to trust Poch and Levy etc. You don't think they would want to ruin our fantastic squad spirit - rhetorically speaking.

I think Poch is brilliant at developing players and engendering a good team spirit. I am less impressed with his tactical nous. I see little evidence that he is expert in the transfer market either.

And no, we don't have to trust Poch & Levy . We all have our own opinions otherwise there would be little point in this forum. If Berahino joins us then I hope he proves me wrong and does well but personally I don't believe the hype and think he is massively overrated and would rather we spent the money elsewhere.

 

[longtimespur]

Seems like some who don't rate him are using this "Attitude problem" etc. as a stick to beat him with.

Of course they themselves have never played up in their lives either

 

[Wellspurs]

"An excellent trainer, always looking to improve himself who will take on board any and all advice given to him by coaches and experienced team mates while in training. Often arrives early and stays late to work on things and spends a good amount of time with the youth kids helping them out, and yes, in a very positive way. He does a lot of strong charity work and unlike Sess is always up for doing the clubs charity duties with no complaint. Has the support and love of his Mother who he listens to and who tries to guide him."

Why don't we buy her some flowers?

 

[Mr Pink]

I think Poch is brilliant at developing players and engendering a good team spirit. I am less impressed with his tactical nous. I see little evidence that he is expert in the transfer market either.

And no, we don't have to trust Poch & Levy . We all have our own opinions otherwise there would be little point in this forum. If Berahino joins us then I hope he proves me wrong and does well but personally I don't believe the hype and think he is massively overrated and would rather we spent the money elsewhere.

You don't have to, but I think you/we should given how well things are going. At the end of the day its his vision in terms of what types he deems suitable for the way we play under him and its he who man manages them - not me, you or any other fan.

Not saying don't have an opinion, but I don't get this I'm baffled point you were making either.

 

[fatpiranha]

Berahino has a superb scoring record in the PL for a 22 year old, who plays for a very agricultural team, with a lack of creativity, I've certainly got my doubts about him too, but I can also see why Poch and Mitchell are interested.

Berahino has scored 22 goals in 84 PL appearances. 5 of those were penalties. You obviously have a slightly different understanding of the word "superb" to my own .

To put it in to context Ighalo has 14 PL goals in 19 PL appearances. None of those were penalties.

 

[tiger666]

Why don't we buy her some flowers?

Levy won't stump up the cash for that.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Berahino has scored 22 goals in 84 PL appearances. 5 of those were penalties. You obviously have a slightly different understanding of the word "superb" to my own .

To put it in to context Ighalo has 14 PL goals in 19 PL appearances. None of those were penalties.

'For a 22 year old who plays for a very agricultural team, with a lack of creativity'

 

[DaSpurs]

I think Poch is brilliant at developing players and engendering a good team spirit. I am less impressed with his tactical nous. I see little evidence that he is expert in the transfer market either.

And no, we don't have to trust Poch & Levy . We all have our own opinions otherwise there would be little point in this forum. If Berahino joins us then I hope he proves me wrong and does well but personally I don't believe the hype and think he is massively overrated and would rather we spent the money elsewhere.

Agreed. I think there are things to be very pleased with about in regard to Poch, but that doesn't mean he's infallible across the board. I'm not sure who made the decisions this past summer, as I think we made some fantastic moves then, but the summer before seemed to be spearheaded by Poch and I found those selections worrying. His decision for Fazio in a high line system was just strange. His persistence in pursuing Jay Rodriguez post an ACL tear was aggravatingly baffling, and to this day I'm still well delighted that he didn't get his wish there, as it would have been a poor tactical move aside from the overwhelming scientific evidence that holding out for an ACL-torn player is flat out illogical.

So yes, I'm very happy with Poch's ability to establish a strong team mentality and unity, establish strong rapport with his players, and transition youth into the first team; but that doesn't mean I'm necessarily pleased with his ability to identify new players, or his ability to make correct substitution decisions, or his ability to make the right lineup per scenario with mind towards tactics.

 

[NELSpurs]

Berahino has scored 22 goals in 84 PL appearances. 5 of those were penalties. You obviously have a slightly different understanding of the word "superb" to my own .

To put it in to context Ighalo has 14 PL goals in 19 PL appearances. None of those were penalties.

20 goals in 45 appearances last season, that is pretty decent (especially at his age and his club). Previously he was a fringe player. 30+ appearances, but the majority of those would have been off the bench...

Junior International scoring record is really good however.