Saido Berahino

[newbie]

I really think his ship has sailed really can't see us signing him he does not look like his attitude is right regardless of the way WBA he still looks like his not mentally what we are looking for if there is any doubt over his character I can't see us signing him we have only just cleared the last lot. He needs us more than we need him, 15-25 mil plus 5 years of wages is he a gamble we do not need to take? I think poch would prefer to muddle though than upset squad harmony with a ?mark player.

We do need pace and another striker though.

 

[sammyj]

Part of me thinks this behaviour is towards Pearce getting so pissed off he let's him go and we pick him up on the last day . We still need a forward

 

[neilp]

Do players not all arrive together to games on the coach? I didn't think they drove themselves and pitched up one by one.

Well they were at home yesterday so sounds reasonable

 

[Hercules]

Perhaps we should be grateful to Pearce and Levy that they were unable to complete a deal for SB in the summer, he sure ain't ticking to many of boxes that Poch requires.

I understand your point, but the way the chairman has treated him as "a piece of meat" to satisfy his own ego on financial gain I am totally against, even if our club does it to one of our own players. There is also an ethical and moral obligation clubs have to their players. It is ok when it is in the clubs favour, but when it is not this is where the problems arise.

Different people handle different to others, and SB way cannot be applauded or condoned. Bearing all that in mind for us to be beating him verbally based upon what we hear through the media I find hard to support.

I do not know SB, or his upbringing, along with his family life and mental make up. Turning up late along with attitudes you have to look into the reason why.

 

[ethanedwards]

I understand your point, but the way the chairman has treated him as "a piece of meat" to satisfy his own ego on financial gain I am totally against, even if our club does it to one of our own players. There is also an ethical and moral obligation clubs have to their players. It is ok when it is in the clubs favour, but when it is not this is where the problems arise.

Different people handle different to others, and SB way cannot be applauded or condoned. Bearing all that in mind for us to be beating him verbally based upon what we hear through the media I find hard to support.

I do not know SB, or his upbringing, along with his family life and mental make up. Turning up late along with attitudes you have to look into the reason why.

Not sure what you mean by ethical and moral obligations that clubs have to their players, I am fairly sure WB are fulfilling their contractual obligations and renumerating the player..

 

[millsey]

Not sure what you mean by ethical and moral obligations that clubs have to their players, I am fairly sure WB are fulfilling their contractual obligations and renumerating the player..

Exactly. Didn't sign his long contract with a gun to his head. Why should a chairman let his player leave so easily

 

[vigospur]

Now 10-1 to join Tottenham on SkyBet. Not going to happen.

 

[Lighty64]

Perhaps we should be grateful to Pearce and Levy that they were unable to complete a deal for SB in the summer, he sure ain't ticking to many of boxes that Poch requires.

but he wouldn't behave like he has if he had the chance to play, and if he had come from the start here he would been trying to perform like he did last season, especially with the Euros next season

 

[RicOfPeace]

a thread full of hypocrites...
with a lot of people on here's thinking we probably should have just sold Berbatov & Modric on the cheap & Levy would have deserved everything he gets!

imo the player ain't good enough anyway but I think Peace is right to try get his price even if it is for an average footballer.

 

[Shadydan]

a thread full of hypocrites...
with a lot of people on here's thinking we probably should have just sold Berbatov & Modric on the cheap & Levy would have deserved everything he gets!

imo the player ain't good enough anyway but I think Peace is right to try get his price even if it is for an average footballer.

Peace isn't going to get the £30m he wants for a player who has 18 months left on his contract.

 

[RicOfPeace]

Peace isn't going to get the £30m he wants for a player who has 18 months left on his contract.

maybe not but if Levy was doing the same with a player everyone would be hailing him the messiah

 

[Hercules]

Not sure what you mean by ethical and moral obligations that clubs have to their players, I am fairly sure WB are fulfilling their contractual obligations and renumerating the player..

We can go on about this all day. They are obligated to fulfill what is in writing. I do not come from a world where everything is as simple as you make it out to be. I can remember a program on Sky Sports couple years back now, where there were 3 footballers along with Joey Barton. They all said that the public only see one part but a lot of clubs treat players like slaves, wanting to hold them to contract, after having agreements that if other 'better' clubs came in for them they would like to be made aware and talk to them.

They said it would shock you to find out how some clubs behave and sees the player as money making opportunity, and does not take the player's wishes and feelings into account. It was along the lines what they shared. You cannot just come out with a carpet statement like that, because we are not armed with the facts.

 

[diamond lights]

Exactly. Didn't sign his long contract with a gun to his head. Why should a chairman let his player leave so easily

Ethical and moral obligations of an Employer are not just about remuneration. An individual could be very well rewarded but if he is led to believe or told something by his employer then this should be honoured. There are ways to behave but this is a 21 year old kid without any vast experience of the working world. He maybe had no role models to follow in terms of how to behave and clubs have responsibilities to help young men with too much money learn how to handle it and act like decent, reasonable members of society.
It's very easy to right him off as a trouble maker but who's he getting his guidance from. What were the rest of us like at 21?

 

[ethanedwards]

but he wouldn't behave like he has if he had the chance to play, and if he had come from the start here he would been trying to perform like he did last season, especially with the Euros next season

The issues with SB started before Pulis came to the club, they are not a recent occurred.

 

[Shadydan]

maybe not but if Levy was doing the same with a player everyone would be hailing him the messiah

Levy generally doesn't over value players as extreme as that though. Generally he sets a price and teams end up paying them.

If he was valuing Andros Townsend at £25m for example that would be utterly stupid and to a detriment to the the club when he knew he could sell for cheaper but is only setting such a high price tag out of spite.

 

[Lighty64]

Exactly. Didn't sign his long contract with a gun to his head. Why should a chairman let his player leave so easily

but a year later he wants to move on and play for a team with ambition. he signed that contract before Pullis took over, and has seen the type of life and career he had ahead.

when Berba left we were only on the outside of the top 5, Man U unsettled him, and like a lot of players at that era if United came calling you want to go.

all those that keep going on and on about his attitude would not be the happiest people at work if your boss turned down your notice to quit cause you had the chance to take a step up in your careers

edit: that should of been top 4

 

[McFlash]

Not sure what you mean by ethical and moral obligations that clubs have to their players, I am fairly sure WB are fulfilling their contractual obligations and renumerating the player..

Like any company, your responsibility towards employees goes beyond just paying them.
Everybody knows that happy workers are productive workers and unhappy workers not so.
It's good business to look after your staff. Plus, with human resources and employment law, you are obliged to.

 

[Lighty64]

The issues with SB started before Pulis came to the club, they are not a recent occurred.

he had 2 probs before Pulis. one he got caught drink and driving, something a good 75% of this country have done, but have never been caught, and the other time one of his team mates attacked him, how is that his fault

 

[ethanedwards]

We can go on about this all day. They are obligated to fulfill what is in writing. I do not come from a world where everything is as simple as you make it out to be. I can remember a program on Sky Sports couple years back now, where there were 3 footballers along with Joey Barton. They all said that the public only see one part but a lot of clubs treat players like slaves, wanting to hold them to contract, after having agreements that if other 'better' clubs came in for them they would like to be made aware and talk to them.

They said it would shock you to find out how some clubs behave and sees the player as money making opportunity, and does not take the player's wishes and feelings into account. It was along the lines what they shared. You cannot just come out with a carpet statement like that, because we are not armed with the facts.

Ridiculous comment to equate modern day footballers as slaves.

 

[Hercules]

Ridiculous comment to equate modern day footballers as slaves.

May seem so to you but not in my eyes is it ridiculous.