Same old problems, same old story

[n17er]

One of the biggest knee jerks in SC histroy lol.
We play a good style of football which is a balance between dominating possession and creating chances whilst restricting them to very few. If we did much more risky passes and moves we’d concede way more than we do.
Poch is a bloody good manager mate, he’s got us massively overachieving year over year.

Our real problem is we lack the attacking and midfield players to break teams down and we have no plan B up top to Kane,nothing to do with tactics at all.

Sissoko offers nothing, Dier passes safe as does Wanyama, Dembele is chronically carrying injuries, Winks is ok passing wise but also fairly safe, so while all good players we have little to no creativity in CM, put a modric etc in there and different story.

Then we have Eriksen,Son,Dele,Lamela, only Son can go past a man, Dele arrives to the box late but doesn’t take players on 1-v-1 nor does eriksen not does Lamela, they’re are pretty much all creative passers of the ball but none have much pace or trickery bar sonny to do something at pace or unpredictable, then up front we have Llorente to supplement Kane and Poch Just doesn’t play him or 2 up top very rarely, finally we had today Davies who offers 0 going forward and also has no pace so can’t stretch teams like rose does.

This is our issue.
Add a Modric type in CM and a Salah/Zaha to the attacking options and a better back up striker to Kane and we’d be 2nd.

Levy needs to sort it out not Poch.

This. Whilst Poch could have and should have made changes, his only realistic change was Llorente up top with Sissoko being taken off. We lack a creative midfielder and have needed a pacey wide player for years. Last night (and in other games against relegation fodder who have no intention of playing expansive football) showed that we have been worked out by visiting teams. Burnley, West Brom, Swansea and now West Ham. I don't believe this is the 'Wembley effect' as we have had the same issue at WHL. There is no plan B because there are no options for a plan B and it is something the club need to address in the next couple of transfer windows.

 

[Lilbaz]

Not sure how a pacey player would have helped. Run down the wing and put a cross into a box with 10 defenders and maybe 1 striker? Was that much difference to what we did?

 

[parj]

Stay away from sharp knives bud. You need a duvet day to calm down.

 

[razzmaster]

Achilles' heel, not heal

My Achilles' heal is spelling. I can't spell basicly

 

[Mullers]

I hate to think what the op would be, if we had lost.

 

[jurgen]

Poch did not cover himself in any glory last night. That is for certain. A bit of a mess. But in my opinion, given we've had ITK for a long time about getting more creative players in to help with the job of breaking down these utter shit 11-turds-behind-the-ball teams, it must be known to the club that this is what we need. Yet it hasn't happened.

Look at our attacking options yesterday, we know Poch is a young coach with a vision and philosophy about football who is regularly delivered players that don't fit those criteria but fit certain other ones that seem more important to the club.

Imagine if we'd used some of the (shitloads) of money we get from TV and commercial deals to bring our best manager in my lifetime some of the squad improvements he deserves...

 

[yido_number1]

Every season, at critical moments when it starts to count most we fail to deliver. Playing against teams with 10 men behind the ball we have an abundance of possession with no reward, no bite, no meaningful goal to reward it.

Guardiola once said when asked about this type of football that Barcelona played at the time (possession based football) he said he doesn't relate to that as he said its meaningless if you just pass and pass and pass with no result. And so he was saying his justification was that there was always an end result, a goal or goals that win you the game.

And that is exactly what we are like. We pass and pass and pass and we're useless with the ball. We cant penetrate teams and beat them when they defend. We have no game plan. No other tactics, apart from pass and pass and hope they make a mistake. That's the difference between a manager like Poch and Pep.

This is Poch. This is his achilles heal. He has no great game plan or in-game tactics or ability to open up teams, change it up to get us doing something different that will make a difference unless the game (conceding a goal) forces him or us to. Sitting there watching the game I cant help but feel why after half time the impetus, the game plan and tactics didn't change? It always takes a goal against us to get us to respond. This is typical!

I've said it before, but the fact remains. Poch isn't a great manager. He's a good manager but not a great manager. The level we are at, is the best we will get from him, regardless of the players we bring in (unless we had world class players who could win you games).

He's alright, he's a true Spurs loving manager, he sees the club philosophy and the ambition and he wants it so bad..But he'll never deliver us a major trophy. Fact. He's just not good enough. Whether he needs more time and experience with other clubs to gain more insight or appreciation I cant say, but for us, he will never drive us to trophy success.

He's just not astute enough, just not tactically aware enough and just not clever enough.

The reality is we're stuck with him for now. And until we move into the new stadium and maybe give him 1 year after that to get us settled we wont swap him for another manager I reckon. That's not my personal choice, as I'd like to amicably part with him at the end of this season and get in a manager I feel who could get us to the next level, beit a Conte or an Enrique or Simeone, but my feeling is we will have to get used to playing Europa league again for a few more years, see our best players leave and another wave of a new breed of young exciting players being brought in to replace them or come through the ranks to give us optimism.

Christ WTF. We've been in two title races in the last two years still in with a shout until the last few weeks both times. In my life time 36 years old, we've been lucky to be fighting for the top 6 places. There are no better attainable managers in the world than Poch (IMO). If we chop him in who the F are we gonna bring in to improve what he is doing on the budget he is doing it.

 

[Shadydan]

Every season, at critical moments when it starts to count most we fail to deliver. Playing against teams with 10 men behind the ball we have an abundance of possession with no reward, no bite, no meaningful goal to reward it.

Guardiola once said when asked about this type of football that Barcelona played at the time (possession based football) he said he doesn't relate to that as he said its meaningless if you just pass and pass and pass with no result. And so he was saying his justification was that there was always an end result, a goal or goals that win you the game.

And that is exactly what we are like. We pass and pass and pass and we're useless with the ball. We cant penetrate teams and beat them when they defend. We have no game plan. No other tactics, apart from pass and pass and hope they make a mistake. That's the difference between a manager like Poch and Pep.

This is Poch. This is his achilles heal. He has no great game plan or in-game tactics or ability to open up teams, change it up to get us doing something different that will make a difference unless the game (conceding a goal) forces him or us to. Sitting there watching the game I cant help but feel why after half time the impetus, the game plan and tactics didn't change? It always takes a goal against us to get us to respond. This is typical!

I've said it before, but the fact remains. Poch isn't a great manager. He's a good manager but not a great manager. The level we are at, is the best we will get from him, regardless of the players we bring in (unless we had world class players who could win you games).

He's alright, he's a true Spurs loving manager, he sees the club philosophy and the ambition and he wants it so bad..But he'll never deliver us a major trophy. Fact. He's just not good enough. Whether he needs more time and experience with other clubs to gain more insight or appreciation I cant say, but for us, he will never drive us to trophy success.

He's just not astute enough, just not tactically aware enough and just not clever enough.

The reality is we're stuck with him for now. And until we move into the new stadium and maybe give him 1 year after that to get us settled we wont swap him for another manager I reckon. That's not my personal choice, as I'd like to amicably part with him at the end of this season and get in a manager I feel who could get us to the next level, beit a Conte or an Enrique or Simeone, but my feeling is we will have to get used to playing Europa league again for a few more years, see our best players leave and another wave of a new breed of young exciting players being brought in to replace them or come through the ranks to give us optimism.

MDMA or crack?

 

[tiger666]

Not sure how a pacey player would have helped. Run down the wing and put a cross into a box with 10 defenders and maybe 1 striker? Was that much difference to what we did?

Pace is the solution to every problem on here. When we fail, we need people who can run fast.

 

[Gb160]

Not sure how a pacey player would have helped. Run down the wing and put a cross into a box with 10 defenders and maybe 1 striker? Was that much difference to what we did?

Its just the usual nonsense that gets spouted on here, last season the goto term was 'Mane-type player'...this window ive already seen 'Salah-type player' sneak in on a couple of occasions.

 

[StockSpur]

ON FIELD GENERAL.

 

[tiger666]

Its just the usual nonsense that gets spouted on here, last season the goto term was 'Mane-type player'...this window ive already seen 'Salah-type player' sneak in on a couple of occasions.

A player with a "winning mentality"

 

[mightyspur]

Maybe we should start up our very own SC bingo?

 

[Hazardousman]

Christ WTF. We've been in two title races in the last two years still in with a shout until the last few weeks both times. In my life time 36 years old, we've been lucky to be fighting for the top 6 places. There are no better attainable managers in the world than Poch (IMO). If we chop him in who the F are we gonna bring in to improve what he is doing on the budget he is doing it.

Tony Pulis innit.

 

[Shadydan]

SHANE LONG

 

[tiger666]

Adama Traore

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Yesterday was not about what we lack either in players or tactics. It was about yet another team refusing to play football.
No one would have played better against them yesterday. They were verging on handcuffing themselves together and to the goal frame.
They were petty and pathetic. We did all anyone could do.

Until some genius at Fifa comes up with a new plan to encourage teams to play football, the bigger teams are going to face this more and more regularly.

 

[dontcallme]

Yesterday was not about what we lack either in players or tactics. It was about yet another team refusing to play football.
No one would have played better against them yesterday. They were verging on handcuffing themselves together and to the goal frame.
They were petty and pathetic. We did all anyone could do.

Until some genius at Fifa comes up with a new plan to encourage teams to play football, the bigger teams are going to face this more and more regularly.

I agree with the gist. But someone put up a stat yesterday showing that we are breaking down the bus parkers worse than any of the other top six sides this season.

I love Poch and believe he is the best manager we've had in 27 years of me supporting the club.

But I do believe he has made a mistake by concentrating on powerhouses in the deeper midfield positions than intelligent passers.

I remember in our 0-0 with Swansea they were hard to breakdown. But there were a couple of times when they committed a few players forward, we won the ball with an opportunity to break but our midfielder played a sideways pass, then another and the opposition had regrouped and got back in position.

This has happened regularly this season and it comes down to our midfielders not being good passers. That was Poch's choice.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I agree with the gust. But someone put up a stat yesterday showing that we are breaking down the bus parkers worse than any of the other top six sides this season.

I love Poch and believe he is the best manager we've had in 27 years of me supporting the club.

But I do believe he has made a mistake by concentrating on powerhouses in the deeper midfield positions than intelligent passers.

I remember in our 0-0 with Swansea they were hard to breakdown. But there were a couple of times when they committed a few players forward, we won the ball with an opportunity to break but our midfielder played a sideways pass, then another and the opposition had regrouped and got back in position.

This has happened regularly this season and it comes down to our midfielders not being good passers. That was Poch's choice.

I genuinely feel teams are parking the bus more at Wembley than other places.
West Ham mostly had all 11 players around the 6 yard line yesterday. Swansea and West Brom were no better.

 

[The Doc]

I genuinely feel teams are parking the bus more at Wembley than other places.
West Ham mostly had all 11 players around the 6 yard line yesterday. Swansea and West Brom were no better.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/jan/04/premier-league-possession-manchester-city

Yep. Not unprecedented this season in particular. On a related note, I have a peek at oppo's SC equivalent when we play them. Might not be wholly representative of the fanbase in each and every case, but it does seem like there is a growing disenchantment with the PL, money, ownership, and how it is impacting on any semblance of success, aside from staying in the PL for (14?) clubs.