Scott Parker, what does he do?

[Mr Pink]

Refer to my posts above. This is showing that his recent positional indiscipline and shirking of defensive responsibilities has led to our drop in form. I said that he was playing well at the start of the season when he held and tackled.

And Tom Read, unfortunately, I cannot get any of those stats about harassing opposition in anywhere. But I'd rather someone made a successful tackle and won the ball than just putting pressure on the opposition. I have only missed the QPR and Sunderland games at home this Season. But In recent games I don't think he has offered what he should be offering to us. Yes I know he's injured, but if he is unfit stick Livermore in, who showed what a disciplined job he did in CM vs everton.

No, he has played well this season to date, very well actually. You're making out that he's had a couple of good games which is completely untrue. He's been outstanding for 80-90% of the games he's played.

 

[chrissivad]

Refer to my posts above. This is showing that his recent positional indiscipline and shirking of defensive responsibilities has led to our drop in form. I said that he was playing well at the start of the season when he held and tackled.

Those games we have also had a lot of possession so we can get Parker to push up at times.

Vs Wolves we had 68.5%
67.8% against WBA
55.8% against Swansea
40.3% against Norwich
53.8% against Chelsea

 

[punkisback]

Even though putting pressure on can lead to a misplaced pass that gives possession to the opposition or allows another better placed player to make an easy tackle with no danger of conceding a free kick ?

I mentioned a clean tackle would be favourable to pressure. Obviously its difficult to find stats that show this. However to change the subject, we all saw in the Wolves game how his attempt to drive the team forward only resulted in modric being stuck to hold and thus limiting our creativity?

 

[punkisback]

No, he has played well this season to date, very well actually. You're making out that he's had a couple of good games which is completely untrue. He's been outstanding for 80-90% of the games he's played.

Sorry I should be clear, I don't think he has been playing well since the Chelsea game. He did come off with a knock on 90 mins in that game, perhaps he is carrying an injury.

 

[SpurSince57]

You could at least provide a counter argument than call people a deadbrain. Its a debate, provide me with your argument rather than name call.

You can't see what Parker's done for us? Maybe you should just watch the odd game.

 

[rich75]

I mentioned a clean tackle would be favourable to pressure. Obviously its difficult to find stats that show this. However to change the subject, we all saw in the Wolves game how his attempt to drive the team forward only resulted in modric being stuck to hold and thus limiting our creativity?

A: it was one game
B: Maybe Modric had a bad game therefore meaning Parker got forward in an attempt to make something happen, it's not as if we struggled to get hold of the ball in that game.

 

[tttcowan]

This is thread is bloody brilliant!!! The effort that's gone in is immense, congrats! I have to knock a powerpoint presentation for work this week and I'm a bit snowed under so don't really have time to make it look pretty, can you tart it up for me?

What you have managed to prove once and for all that statistics in the hands of a football fan with an agenda are completely useless. It's the best example by a long way of football based stats being totally misleading. Economist, Epidemiologists, Marketers, Statistician, Data miners who have spent years of there life looking facts on spreadsheets have all screwed up in biblical style over the years when interpreting data... You sir have now screwed up in biblical style as a football fan like I've never seen before, it's no mean feat, I seriously mean that. I salute you, you deserve an award or something.

 

[thfc1989]

bore off

 

[donny1013]

Hasn't he been awarded club player of the month basically every month for us this season? As well as Barclays player of the month for November. He actually even changed a fair few peoples opinions of him on here who thought he stood out in a shit team, West Ham. Great signing, poor against Wolves, first game back from injury, next game he will be better.
He is not just a leader, much more to his game, but more leadership is what this club has needed for the past decade.

 

[Mr Pink]

But what does he offer, what is it that you see that makes you think he contributes. With Adebayor I see that he offers brilliant hold up play. The strength and height to receive the ball in the air. The pace to reach onto a through ball and the skill to receive it to feet. His finishing could be better but we gain at ground in opposition territory by having him on the field. What is it that Parker offers that has improved our team. And it recent games it hasn't been tackling nor anchoring the midfield to allow our attackers to create. Even David May and Phil Neville have league medals.

What does he offer? That should be obvious, but I'll explain....

On the ball he keeps it simple most of the time and retains possession well, he'll look to give it to the likes of Modric etc and if a certain pass isn't on he'll look for one which is on in order to keep possession. His distribution is effective and he has an incisive pass in his locker as well. He's intelligent with his positioning and he understands what's required of him.

Off the ball he will harry and chase, close down the space and press the ball when required. He reads the game very well and mopping up comes easy to him.

His commitment is there for all to see, he simply wants to win and his attitude is excellent...clearly it rubs off on others around him.

 

[punkisback]

Hasn't he been awarded club player of the month basically every month for us this season? As well as Barclays player of the month for November. He actually even changed a fair few peoples opinions of him on here who thought he stood out in a shit team, West Ham. Great signing, poor against Wolves, first game back from injury, next game he will be better.
He is not just a leader, much more to his game, but more leadership is what this club has needed for the past decade.

Past the leadership I just struggle to see what he offers. Personally I think he is great to have around the club, you can tell he looks out for the other players. I loved the way he clattered Frimpong on Saturday after he had fouled on of our players. But in terms of footballing contribution I fail to see what he offers. And no one has really described it to me. A lot of spurs fans love him because he represents and spurs supporting London boy "done good"; so maybe we have a slight bias. But I would like people to tell me and describe to me what he offers footballwise. I also don't see why people have to respond sarcastically or aggressively, the forum is there to stir debate not for slagging matches.

 

[walworthyid]

I don't think he is better than Sandro tbh but he just makes more solid when he is sitting. However, he has been off of the boil recently and is trying to do much with the ball although has as much to do with the way we are playing as anything else. We are overloading the middle of the park and making it difficult to pick out passes.

We don't seem to have recovered from the adjustment we made when Lennon was out. I hope that on sunday Bale is told to hug that touchline a lot more than he has been!

 

[punkisback]

What does he offer? That should be obvious, but I'll explain....

On the ball he keeps it simple most of the time and retains possession well, he'll look to give it to the likes of Modric etc and if a certain pass isn't on he'll look for one which is on in order to keep possession. His distribution is effective and he has an incisive pass in his locker as well. He's intelligent with his positioning and he understands what's required of him.

Off the ball he will harry and chase, close down the space and press the ball when required. He reads the game very well and mopping up comes easy to him.

His commitment is there for all to see, he simply wants to win and his attitude is excellent...clearly it rubs off on others around him.

Thats the sort of response I was after, a well thought out opinion. But in recent games his tackling and discipline hasn't been all that and we've not done so well. Do you believe this is a consequence of this?

 

[mpickard2087]

Oh Jesus fucking Wept...

If you cant see what he has brought to the team this season then you can have been watching our games very attentively.

 

[mpickard2087]

Thats the sort of response I was after, a well thought out opinion. But in recent games his tackling and discipline hasn't been all that and we've not done so well. Do you believe this is a consequence of this?

If you had said this in the OP, and maybe asked something like 'Does Parker need to be dropped/rested?' then you would possibly have had a point, you have questioned if he brings anything at all to the team. Bonkers.

 

[donny1013]

Past the leadership I just struggle to see what he offers. Personally I think he is great to have around the club, you can tell he looks out for the other players. I loved the way he clattered Frimpong on Saturday after he had fouled on of our players. But in terms of footballing contribution I fail to see what he offers. And no one has really described it to me. A lot of spurs fans love him because he represents and spurs supporting London boy "done good"; so maybe we have a slight bias. But I would like people to tell me and describe to me what he offers footballwise. I also don't see why people have to respond sarcastically or aggressively, the forum is there to stir debate not for slagging matches.

Do you have the same opinion of Sandro? Because if Parker isn't in the side then he is the natural replacement as they play similar styles. Parker is the perfect foil for Modric, closing down, tackling, solid passing game. Who in your opinion would you want in there? Remembering the fact Parker has lost one EPL game whilst playing for us.

 

[Mr Pink]

Thats the sort of response I was after, a well thought out opinion. But in recent games his tackling and discipline hasn't been all that and we've not done so well. Do you believe this is a consequence of this?

Personally I would of rested him against Swansea. He looked a little jaded that day and picked up an injury and came back into the side to play Wolves, a little rusty. I did notice that he was further up the pitch at times, but we just came across a particularly stubborn side on the day.

I expect him to be back to his best against City, in the role he has done superbly for us this season in - for the most part.

 

[dimiSpur]

What a fantastic topic. You're a credit to your family.

Post of the year and it's only January :lol:

 

[DJW]

It was his first game back and a booking would have seen him out of Sunday, I'm glad he wasn't flying in to tackles in a game where we had so much possession.

We'll see his true worth Sunday because City tore us apart at home in the spaces that Parker would sit in.

 

[double0]

Sandro's better.