Season Ticket Renewal Thread (Read first post)

[hakano]

Great post but to suggest we should follow the German model is absurd. No other club in the Top 6 does that and they're our competition, and at the end of the day, the new stadium's main purposes are to improve the area and to allow us to compete financially with the other clubs, through an increasing wage and transfer budget, so that we win titles on a regular basis. What on earth would be the point of spending a billion quid on the stadium, and then offering kids tickets for £1 and £300 season tickets? I'm not condoning the club pricing fans out of the new stadium, and having looked at the pricing more, they have probably gone over the top, but I understand their reasoning (London, Top 6 club in PL, best stadium in Europe) as to why they were never going to be cheap.

On a personal note, as the Trust said, I think the club should be getting more praise for the Young Adult pricing. I'm not sure I've seen that at other clubs, and it's a huge deal for me. I'm nearly 20, and a student, and I want to have a season ticket for years to come. I'm delighted the club has recognised that those aged 18-21 do not have the financial means of working adults, and have reduced their pricing accordingly - which I was actually surprised by. At the end of the day, those aged 18-21 are the most immediate 'next generation' (sounds dumb) of ST holders and I'm glad they haven't priced us out.

But you could be priced out in a years time when you are no longer a young adult.

I agree that they are competing with the English clubs and not German so need to price accordingly, however If you want to be the most expensive in the world you have to have the best product - stadium may be great but ultimately people will go for what they see on the pitch. How full do you think the stadium will be against the lesser teams? How will that impact the atmosphere? You only need to look down the road to see the amount of discontent. They moved in after a very successful spell so you can argue that people were prepared to pay top dollar but not anymore. We have won 3 trophies in the last 26 years, yes we are better now than we were but we are not good enough currently to charge the most the expensive season tickets in the world.

 

[Vulcan10]

Football stoped being a working class sport in 92 with the break away of the premier league.

It has long been my view that we need either a ticket price cap or salary cap.

If tickets were caped at say £35-£50, then fine, what ever money is in the game should rightly go to the players. Good luck to them.

But asking the man (or lady) on the street to pay higher & higher prices just so the already overpaid players can earn more and more just doesn't sit right with me.

Thank god we at least have players (mostly) that we like. I think this used to annoy me even more when we had stacks of average players picking up £30-70k per week at our expense (£70 for a cat A game in West Stand).

As others have said, whilst I am looking forward to going back home next season, it does seem to have put pressure on the club to remain competitive as if you pay top restaurant prices you expect Michelin star food.

Sadly this was always on the cards but it does make me sad to hear of fans being priced out of the game they love.

 

[Westmorland]

Discussing price of season tickets at Spurs on talksport now

 

[SUIYHA]

If you want to see something that will really piss you off...

http://www.topspurs.com/thfc-seasontickets.htm

Of course the football has improved since then. But it's still madness to know that with these £2,200 tickets for 19 games you can be paying more than double per match as what you could pay for the most expensive ticket in the ground in the 2002/03 season.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

But you could be priced out in a years time when you are no longer a young adult.

I agree that they are competing with the English clubs and not German so need to price accordingly, however If you want to be the most expensive in the world you have to have the best product - stadium may be great but ultimately people will go for what they see on the pitch. How full do you think the stadium will be against the lesser teams? How will that impact the atmosphere? You only need to look down the road to see the amount of discontent. They moved in after a very successful spell so you can argue that people were prepared to pay top dollar but not anymore. We have won 3 trophies in the last 26 years, yes we are better now than we were but we are not good enough currently to charge the most the expensive season tickets in the world.

Based on the info in the pack, as I'll be 21 at the start of the 2019-2020 season, I'll get the Young Adult pricing for 2 seasons. Obviously, it won't help me for long, but as I'll be looking for a full-time job after my final year at uni, by the time I'm 22, I'll hopefully be more in a position to pay the £1k+ my ticket will inevitably be.

Let's be honest, the atmosphere wasn't exactly great at WHL all the time, and of course hasn't been at Wembley, but we still manage to regularly beat the lesser teams.

I think you're wrong to fully correlate quality of team with ticket prices. Quality of stadium and location are significant factors as well.

 

[Saoirse]

I agree with you except if that happens then they wont be able to do anything as it will all be too late. They can't offer the tickets all out again from the beginning.

I maintain the best way to do the migration was how they moved to Wembley, it seemed the best way to me.

Why not? They'd still have five months before the first home game. It'd be embarrassing, but not massively difficult nor as embarrassing as empty seats in our first season there.

 

[spursfan77]

Why not? They'd still have five months before the first home game. It'd be embarrassing, but not massively difficult nor as embarrassing as empty seats in our first season there.

Because then they'd have to admit that they got it wrong. They wont do that,

 

[sly1]

Why not? They'd still have five months before the first home game. It'd be embarrassing, but not massively difficult nor as embarrassing as empty seats in our first season there.

It seems pretty much implausible to me that they would start the whole sale from scratch if the tickets aren't selling. Is there any precedent of this ever happening with a premier league club, or any club for that matter?

Do you suppose that they would refund the difference to people who have already bought tickets, or would they actually start the entire sale over again? I imagine the second option would be illegal.

 

[Saoirse]

Because then they'd have to admit that they got it wrong. They wont do that,

Surely better to admit you've got it wrong than bury your head in the sand and have it proven to you very publicly.

Just to be clear I don't think the sales will be bad enough for this to happen, but if they were I don't think a u-turn would be impossible.

 

[mpickard2087]

My issue is a different take on it, but my usual complaint, re. the pricing - It seems to be set up for the club to go on some mega money spunkorama in the future - because a) some of the prices are unsympathetic and look like they're just trying to rake in as much money as possible (no doubt to put towards fees/wages) and b) at these prices the club is setting a high bar and there is going to be anticipation from the fans for a return on investment - and so attempt to throw around as much money as possible. Which is a future, as I was only saying the other day, that win/lose/draw I find quite depressing.

Clubs could act differently and really reduce the cost for fans if they stopped pissing away a fraction of what they actually do in the transfer market and didn't act so short term. But there is such a fixation on it and what other clubs are doing compared to them.

But then is it the fans fault for putting up with it ......?

 

[Saoirse]

It seems pretty much implausible to me that they would start the whole sale from scratch if the tickets aren't selling. Is there any precedent of this ever happening with a premier league club, or any club for that matter?

Do you suppose that they would refund the difference to people who have already bought tickets, or would they actually start the entire sale over again? I imagine the second option would be illegal.

If I had to guess I'd say that rather than refunding, they'd do something to increase the value like bundling in the Champions League group stage, and then extend the sales windows.

 

[Saoirse]

The Guardian now reporting on fan unhappiness too. And also a very pertinent message from Vincent Kompany:

"Less empty seats leads to a better TV product but also better atmosphere, which in turn affects testosterone levels and territorial behaviour in players, therefore increasing home advantage. There’s financial value in every added league point too."

 

[THFCSPURS19]

The Guardian now reporting on fan unhappiness too. And also a very pertinent message from Vincent Kompany:

"Less empty seats leads to a better TV product but also better atmosphere, which in turn affects testosterone levels and territorial behaviour in players, therefore increasing home advantage. There’s financial value in every added league point too."

Has he seen the Etihad?

 

[Hengy1]

Personally I think they just facked up the south stand. Should’ve been between £800-£1200 with none of this 1882 special rubbish.

But it is what it is and hopefully we still get a decent atmosphere

 

[Saoirse]

Has he seen the Etihad?

I expect that exactly what he's seen and experienced, and is suggesting that it has a real impact.

 

[Saoirse]

Just seen he's also added since that went to press:

"The PL is unique, financially dominant and global. I imagine that a general decline in stadium atmosphere can damage the value of that product. Link to ticket pricing, seating location and safe standing is almost inevitable. Long-term gains vs short-term profits, eternal dilemma."

Absolutely spot on. A footballer displaying more intelligence on this than the businessmen, stereotypes really are nonsense

 

[topper]

Just seen he's also added since that went to press:

"The PL is unique, financially dominant and global. I imagine that a general decline in stadium atmosphere can damage the value of that product. Link to ticket pricing, seating location and safe standing is almost inevitable. Long-term gains vs short-term profits, eternal dilemma."

Absolutely spot on. A footballer displaying more intelligence on this than the businessmen, stereotypes really are nonsense

Got a lot of time for Kompany - classy player, classy very bright individual

 

[riggi]

Got a lot of time for Kompany - classy player, classy very bright individual

He's doing a degree at the moment isn't he?

 

[muppetman]

My last WHL ST was around £700 and I fully expected this to go up to somewhere around the £1000 point so tbh it's about where I thought it would be - although removing the two cup games is a bit of a kicker.

I do understand the upset for people who want to stay in the same section of the ground where they've been for years (my old ticket - Paxton lower - doesn't appear to be available in the new ground, I assume it's the away end now?) but it was never going to be a like for like swap.

Also, I understand the frustration for younger people being priced out of football but that's nothing new and at least there is a bit of initiative being used around this.

All in all, I'm reasonably content with the situation, the only bit that really annoys me is the prawn sandwich brigade in what was supposed to be the "wall of noise" which won't happen if it's more akin to Club Wembley during an England friendly!

I'm starting to get properly excited about going to the new ground and hearing Paul Coyte pulling one of our old players out of storage from the freezer below at half time!

I do however, totally recognise that it's different for others - I've only been going for the last few years and can afford the extra charges - that's not the same for everyone.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

As all stands can be visited before and after games why does it matter about sitting together. The club is right in not allowing ST holders with low loyalty points choosing a seat before longer serving ST's. Another plus point there are more areas where concession seats available, at WHL it was only the North Stand.