SC is a very small percentae of a much larger fanbase where the average fan wants success immediately. Let's be real.
Sherwood has gone!
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SC is a very small percentae of a much larger fanbase where the average fan wants success immediately. Let's be real.
I assume you're not including yourself in that statement ?
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You can see what a manager is about very quickly. You look at how their teams play and you then look for signs of that in the new team. At spurs we expect a certain type of football but we now also expect relative success. The only way to achieve that is to have top (but for us not elite) players, which we have, and a top manager who can get the most out of them.
AVB never had us playing good football at any time in his tenure, it was always a containing game that was boring and predictable. Tim apart from being a complete cock also does not have us playing good football because he has no clue about formations, tactics or players.
Not good enough so we move on. I personally don't care how often we have to do it as long as we are going about it the right way. You could give Tim 10 years and he will still be a cock, why wait?
AVB never had us playing good football at any time in his tenure, it was always a containing game that was boring and predictable. Tim apart from being a complete cock also does not have us playing good football because he has no clue about formations, tactics or players.
Not good enough so we move on. I personally don't care how often we have to do it as long as we are going about it the right way. You could give Tim 10 years and he will still be a cock, why wait?
Considering I have been very critical of Tim Sherwood since he was given the job, and seeing how it's ended up, I was clearly being realistic. And I am very passionate about this club.
yeah, so that bit about giving the new bloke time and not expecting immediate success ..?
Honestly, wrt "good football" it depends on ones preferences. Personally, I prefer a style of play where we maintain possession but in an attacking sense building up from the back. Sort of like what Klinsmann has instilled into US Soccer. Andre liked to maintain possession and slow things down a bit in order to sort out the defensive issues, which we needed. Andre's reckoning was that teams constantly parked 5 busses behind the ball. At that point, he should have loosened things up a bit to inject more flow into the game, especially since there was a distinct lack of creativity in the team.
The problem with Tim is that with no sense of tactics or plans, we do not have any sense of playing like a team. The defense is also a MAJOR issue with the high line constantly being exploited and with us being far too open at times. And the lack of a holding midfielder or 2 to give the back 4 some cover, it makes us look worse. And Tim still hasnt developed any tactical awareness or hasnt learned how to play with our squad. The only player that he seemingly has a clue about how to use is Bentaleb.
Mate, you cannot compare my thoughts about Sherwood to this. Why in the world do you give a man that has no experience or credentials the reigns to a club in the top half of the the best league in the world fighting for the top 4? LVG should be given time when he comes in after the WC due to how royally fucked we are at this point since all sense of direction wrt how we want to play and any sense of tactical awareness went out the window midway through December of 2013.
Ah, so you give the managers you want time and not those you don't.
Ionman34
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A small percentage but an indicative one.
If you look at it in the same way as an opinion poll, a smaller percentage of opinion is taken over a wide demographic to give an indication of the wider consensus of opinion. In much the same way, opinion on here is indicative of the wider opinion of Spurs fans as a whole, purely due to the wide demographic available on this site.
Can't really be much more real than that.
yido4life
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I'm willing to give any new manager a bit of time as I was with both AVB and Sherwood.
What I do not expect to happen is to be regularly on the end of 4 or 5 nil thrashings.
In my very humble opinion our squad is not 4 or 5 nil away from any of the top four teams and I do not believe there is any excuse for it. I expect to say an organised approach and if we are going to loose which I always expect us to when we go to Stamford bridge and the etihad it should be 2-0 or 2-1 that's at least respectable
What I do not expect to happen is to be regularly on the end of 4 or 5 nil thrashings.
In my very humble opinion our squad is not 4 or 5 nil away from any of the top four teams and I do not believe there is any excuse for it. I expect to say an organised approach and if we are going to loose which I always expect us to when we go to Stamford bridge and the etihad it should be 2-0 or 2-1 that's at least respectable
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well you could always look on the bright side....at least AVB didnt leave us a few points above relegation...imagine Sherwood trying to get us out of that?
So lets move on to next season and the next manager....I just hope its not more shit on a stick from the Tottenham Hotspur ice cream van.
So lets move on to next season and the next manager....I just hope its not more shit on a stick from the Tottenham Hotspur ice cream van.
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In all fairness the exercise is a bit like going back in time to before everyone guessed at heads or tails, and all those who guessed correctly pointing their fingers and those who guessed wrong and going "Bunch of bloody numpties, can't even guess the toss of the coin right!!"
In other words anyone feeling either smug or chagrined at having their opinions confirmed or denied about TS are basically kidding themselves. You didn't know, because you couldn't know.
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There's always one who doesn't take it as it was intended. Well done.
sloth
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That's the trouble with a conversation isn't it? People forever taking what you say how they want to and not how you meant it!!
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Im all for giving managers time but it has to be the right manager. Ts and avb are/were imo the wrong guys to take us forward.
As you say losing 4/5 nil almost every time we play a top 4 team is not good enough with the squad we have
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Not sure about hilarious but certainly very, very 'spursy'
AVB doing it didn't seem to count for much. I can't see Levy doing it to himself.
dudu
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Exactly - our results against the 'big' team that year were - (Liverpool, at that time, were not considered to be a big team by me)
2 losses against City
2 losses against Man U
2 Draws against Chelsea (in the league) 1 loss in the Cup.
1 win and 1 loss to Arsenal
P9 W1 D3 L6 GF 10 GA 25
Better than now but we had what should have been an infinitely more settled team full of proved prem capable players.
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dudu
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Not to be a pedant but being critical of someone with no experience is not being realistic. Its just being critical.
You were being realistic in terms of how it was going to end but if you were being realistic in your critique then you would have cut a bit more slack at the time.
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Let's hope that the man who keeps hiring and firing will agree with you about giving the next head coach time. History doesn't give me much confidence.
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Very good point, i will add though that it should be the same for some fans as well, if we lose a few games they should not start bitching and demanding a new manager.
