Should Levy go for his part in the Super League... with a heavy heart I say yes.

[TheRevolution]

Silly thread when Levy in effect owns the club so he isn’t going anywhere until he sells up. Plus with the collapse of ESL they club is significantly less attractive.

He can't continue as the face of the club. How can he show his face at meetings with the other 14 premier league clubs and be taken seriously? It's really damaging for the club if he remains as chairman.

 

[Trix]

Yep will be very difficult.
Government would need to get involved and change the rules, its probably too late for this now.

I don't see how they possibly can. Would they be able to tell any other business owner they had to give away voting rights to a company they own. It worked in Germany because it was set up differently beforehand.

 

[Dougal]

I’ll give it a go

#Gareth88out

 

[Trix]

He can't continue as the face of the club. How can he show his face at meetings with the other 14 premier league clubs and be taken seriously? It's really damaging for the club if he remains as chairman.

Ok let's assume you are right. How do we get him to step down?

 

[wrd]

Ok let's assume you are right. How do we get him to step down?

Can't he move into the shadows and let somebody else be the face of the club?

 

[Amo]

I don't see how they possibly can. Would they be able to tell any other business owner they had to give away voting rights to a company they own. It worked in Germany because it was set up differently beforehand.

It would be difficult, especially for a Tory government, but if they did then I feel there's little the owners could do about it unless parliament is dumb enough to draft the act in such a way that is contradicted by other statutes and can therefore be subject to a court ruling.

 

[Donki]

I don't see how they possibly can. Would they be able to tell any other business owner they had to give away voting rights to a company they own. It worked in Germany because it was set up differently beforehand.

Yeah in Germany I believe they got the 50+1 rule in when the majority of clubs were ran by associations with most not for profit.

Can you imagine.

Brois: Hi Mr Levy, we will be looking for you to give £1billion of your club back to the fans, as part of an association to keep clubs under control.

Levy: ......

Boris: Mr Levy? .... Daniel....

Levy: ........ "click"..... "dial tone".

 

[TheRevolution]

Ok let's assume you are right. How do we get him to step down?

That's up for him to find out. He's the one who made the massive fuckup. I'm not saying this as a matter of my opinon, I'm saying this as a matter of global view on club now. Look at the statements of disgust from the other 14 clubs, do you think there gonna entertain any ideas we put forward knowing that Levy snaked off to leave them behind? All we can do is protest like the Chelsea fans yesterday and like the Liverpool and United fans will most likely do.

 

[shelfboy68]

I agree but anyone not thinking that over the 11 year period it took to get the stadium up and running wouldn’t affect buying players at inflated fees just because we were 1, in the PL and 2, being involved in Europe especially the CL meant paying over the top, are not as savvy as they think.

getting rid of the deadwood is also a problem for top 6 teams. Teams below that only go out on a limb to buy them if they 1, not overly high salaries (look at Arsenal they either leave on loan or for free), or 2, they loan them.

tell me the last top 6 player that another PL team has bought that wasn’t getting used or as you put it being deadwood?

edit: before anyone pipes up that Levy said it wouldn’t affect spending, remember 1, we wasn’t a CL team at the time 2, the difference being a CL team meant much higher fees and wages

But surely as an ambitious owner worth his salt he would have been working towards being a CL team would he not, otherwise we could of continued as a mid table one prior to enic takeover

 

[Trix]

It would be difficult, especially for a Tory government, but if they did then I feel there's little the owners could do about it unless parliament is dumb enough to draft the act in such a way that is contradicted by other statutes and can therefore be subject to a court ruling.

Lol you can't just take half of someone's business away and give control of it to someone else Tory or Labour. It was a completely different set up in Germany prior to the legislation which is why it worked.

 

[Trix]

That's up for him to find out. He's the one who made the massive fuckup. I'm not saying this as a matter of my opinon, I'm saying this as a matter of global view on club now. Look at the statements of disgust from the other 14 clubs, do you think there gonna entertain any ideas we put forward knowing that Levy snaked off to leave them behind? All we can do is protest like the Chelsea fans yesterday and like the Liverpool and United fans will most likely do.

That's up to him to find out?

Look if you don't know, just say I don't know.

 

[Amo]

Lol you can't just take half of someone's business away and give control of it to someone else Tory or Labour. It was a completely different set up in Germany prior to the legislation which is why it worked.

It's almost certainly not going to be that blunt and drastic.

 

[sidford]

People are saying we need to go to a 50+1 rule and that government should do it can you clarify a few things for me.
Enic owns Spurs so what is being proposed is that the government takes spurs away from them? Does the government pay Enic off or just takes the shares and tells them to do one?
If they pay Enic it's market value, likely over 1bn, would you be happy that tax revenue is used for that? Would you be happy that they do this for all 6 of the clubs? That would be a lot of money. What would you do if the owners don't want to sell no matter how much you offer them?
If they dont pay Enic and just tell them to sod off do you think that Enic will not fight it?

This is a great socialist idea but reality is that no one can just go in and take a private company from its owners in any sort of democracy.

 

[Trix]

It's almost certainly not going to be that blunt and drastic.

Of course. I can see something coming in to protect clubs but it won't be the fans having a majority vote on anything.

 

[Wick3d]

We have probably spent some considerable money on this failed ESL project, you reckon Levy will forfeit his bonus for the next couple of years to compensate for this.

I admit Levy is in a lose-lose situation whichever way he played the ESL project, but I doubt even he knew how badly this would backfire. He had a moment to show some humility in his statement, but he failed to do so. He will not leave, we are stuck with him for the foreseeable future.

 

[Ionman34]

Nope, this was going ahead with us or without us. He was powerless to stop it and it would have killed the club had the ESL been set up and we weren’t in it

20 years ago we would never have been in the conversation........neither would Chelsea or City for that matter. But we got there without an oil sheikh or oligarch gifting us £2 billion of free money and did it while self financing a £1 billion stadium rebuild.

there is a heck of a lot to criticise Levy, and I do it often, but not for this.

Absolutely this.

Do we sack the entire board too? Levy is Chairman, but he can't arbitrarily decide this is what we do, it would have to be voted on by the board.

For all we know, Levy was ambivalent to the ESL but put it to the vote and the board carried it.

No, I don't believe that is the case, but my point is that we have absolutely no fucking idea what has gone on with the board, so we have no basis in fact, and therefore no right, to fling baseless accusations at any individual.

 

[roy@SC]

Well the 50+1 rule that's so great in Germany has left the bundesliga with one superpower pretty much winning everything and hoovering up all the talent is that what people want here to as the alternative to what they have now... just wondering.

 

[TheRevolution]

That's up to him to find out?

Look if you don't know, just say I don't know.

I literally said all we can do as fans is protest so that I do know. The rest is up to him as owner of the club.

If you drop the football side of this and look at it from a business side like many on here love to do then there would be repercussions for mismanaging your brand and taking such a damaging step while being so out of touch with your consumers.

He's the chairman of the club, he needs to find a way to find a way to remove himself from it.

 

[Gspurs11]

You think it's true about UEFA paying off the English clubs to get them to bail on the ESL?

 

[wrd]

We have probably spent some considerable money on this failed ESL project, you reckon Levy will forfeit his bonus for the next couple of years to compensate for this.

I admit Levy is in a lose-lose situation whichever way he played the ESL project, but I doubt even he knew how badly this would backfire. He had a moment to show some humility in his statement, but he failed to do so. He will not leave, we are stuck with him for the foreseeable future.

He was in a difficult spot but he should have had the foresight to see how this would have gone down with fans, it shows how disconnected he is and it shows they don't have the best interests of the traditional supporters at heart. he could have been involved in the consultation but instead he allowed us to be one of the self proclaimed 12 elite clubs. He could have made a decision like Bayern did, like Dortmund did, Like PSG did, Like Porto did to reject the invite until a better plan was in place and he'd have been applauded for showing integrity. He could have won big time so it wasn't lose-lose.