Sin bin

[soflapaul]

Stop americanising football.

Fun fact. Ice hockey was invented by a Canadian.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

The biggest problem with red and yellow cards is that it tends to be the subsequent teams that benefit (rather than the injured party), especially as reds tend to happen late in the game.........and if the next team to play them happens to be a rival, then it's a double whammy! For example, if Mitrovic had got two yellows against us, then he'd be off late on in the game........but would then miss their next match against Chelsea!

Not really much that can be done about it, as they are meant as a deterrent as well as a punishment, but all the same...

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Would this just add more decisions for referees to get wrong and add yet more tedious controversy?

I think it'd definitely add to the time wasting as teams alter tactics to cope with less men and run the clock down of any sin bin time given. Maybe not full on, but enough to make the game slower and less enjoyable. Maybe get rid of VAR and go back to how it ought to be. One man getting it right or wrong and two teams having at it, for me, the persistent search to make it 'better' is having the opposite result.

 

[Japhet]

The biggest problem with red and yellow cards is that it tends to be the subsequent teams that benefit (rather than the injured party), especially as reds tend to happen late in the game.........and if the next team to play them happens to be a rival, then it's a double whammy! For example, if Mitrovic had got two yellows against us, then he'd be off late on in the game........but would then miss their next match against Chelsea!

Not really much that can be done about it, as they are meant as a deterrent as well as a punishment, but all the same...

I've always thought that. It often works out that a direct rival benefits from a transgression against your own team. On red cards in particular, I think the offending player should be banned from the corresponding fixture if it's not yet been played.

 

[Riandor]

Free kick moved has been tried for dissent , didn't last..

Strange football rules: Remembering when free-kicks were moved forward 10 yards for dissent

Remember when Premier League referees moved free-kicks forwards 10 yards when the other team protested?

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Bloody hell I had totally forgotten that.
Failed for stupid reasons, like not allowing the team to decide whether to take the move or not (like the example they gave of Beckham being forced to move his FK further forward and thus negating his "preferred range". Stupid.

Also the punished twoce. So what?! THe Son example is a classic stopping a very dangerous situation and getting almost no punishment for it. It breaks the flow of the game and forces the attacking team to reset, again, slowing the game down. The issue was of course here that countries outside of UK didn't get the "rugby rule" concept.

 

[PCozzie]

Can see the attraction but what I'm for above all is the return to matches that are decided there and then on the pitch, not mangled by innovations in the name of 'progress'.

• Back to three subs (actually, I'd like to go back to one sub. But I don't think I'll get my wish)
• Get rid of VAR. Just accept refs get things wrong and stop being babies about it.

That'll do for starters. Might get into the back-pass rule and communal baths later.

 

[Marty]

I've long thought there's too wide a discrepancy between a yellow and a red card, but at the same time I've never been a fan of sin bins either. Adding a third element to the binary yellow or red card just means you'd get another thing that people and pundits can whip up controversy over.

Given the alternatives I think I'd rather just stick with what we know.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

While we're on the topic, how about extra time multi-ball? Sling another ball on the pitch each time the ball goes dead or out of play, maybe even two more, one to each keeper to punt out, six second rule still applies.

 

[E17yid]

I’m not sure sin bins would be as effective in football as they are in rugby and I don’t think I’d like to see it introduced in football. However, if I was in charge and I had to introduce it what I’d like to see is it only be brought in to punish 1 offence, and that’s chatting shit/getting up in referees faces. Pisses me off. Would love to see referees get out an orange card evetytime some **** came up screaming and swearing in their face and say “here you go fuck off for 10 mins you prick…..oh and you want some too well you can fuck off as well”

 

[muppetman]

I think it'd definitely add to the time wasting as teams alter tactics to cope with less men and run the clock down of any sin bin time given. Maybe not full on, but enough to make the game slower and less enjoyable. Maybe get rid of VAR and go back to how it ought to be. One man getting it right or wrong and two teams having at it, for me, the persistent search to make it 'better' is having the opposite result.

I do think we need to accept that perfection isn't possible in football and that the current drive for it is actually lessening the enjoyment of fans - particularly those in the ground. I wouldn't mind getting rid of VAR at all and just roll with the punches.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Its almost like Football is a completely different sport to the ones being used as examples here.

 

[rossdapep]

I think cynical fouls when a team is breaking should be moved so that they are on the edge of the penalty area.

Instead of facing a harmless free-kick 50 yards away from goal, the punishment is for the offending team to now face a free-kick from a dangerous area.

 

[rossdapep]

Bloody hell I had totally forgotten that.
Failed for stupid reasons, like not allowing the team to decide whether to take the move or not (like the example they gave of Beckham being forced to move his FK further forward and thus negating his "preferred range". Stupid.

Also the punished twoce. So what?! THe Son example is a classic stopping a very dangerous situation and getting almost no punishment for it. It breaks the flow of the game and forces the attacking team to reset, again, slowing the game down. The issue was of course here that countries outside of UK didn't get the "rugby rule" concept.

Me too! Yeah that was actually quite dumb for the reason you stated.

Bring it back but the team are now able to place the free-kick in their preferred place.

Ultimately, a lot of these attacks are going to lead to good goal scoring chances anyway so a free-kick is a good compromise.

 

[HNIM]

Fun fact. Ice hockey was invented by a Canadian.

Was going to reply to the original post with something like this.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Fun fact. Ice hockey was invented by a Canadian.

Same difference...

 

[mark87]

I'd personally be in favour of sin bins but I'd be hesitant in including it in football as the refs will inevitably fuck it up.

 

[septicsac]

Would be all for the sin bin, esp for those cynical fouls made when players are on the break, 20 minutes though, think they would take the 10 no problem, but 20 minutes + might make them reconsider.
The down side is the team that is reduced in number will then inevitably try run the clock down at every given opportunity.
With this in mind, I think a sin bin only works if we use the clock the same as in rugby, ie no stoppage time, just stop the clock as you go along, at least that way there is clarity to what is left and not left to some of those dodgy refs out there to add on what they feel like "Fergie time"