Sir Alex Ferguson

[kmk]

Watching a fascinating documentary about Sir Alex Ferguson on BBC1 about the secrets of his success.

I can't help but feel that the success Utd had in the past 25 years could have been us.

I believe he had agreed to manage us in 1984 after Keith Burkinshaw decided to leave but he changed his mind as his wife wanted to stay in Aberdeen.

 

[riggi]

Watching a fascinating documentary about Sir Alex Ferguson on BBC1 about the secrets of his success.

I can't help but feel that the success Utd had in the past 25 years could have been us.

I believe he had agreed to manage us in 1984 after Keith Burkinshaw decided to leave but he changed his mind as his wife wanted to stay in Aberdeen.

Good watch so far.

Mentality mentality mentality.

 

[Trix]

Watching a fascinating documentary about Sir Alex Ferguson on BBC1 about the secrets of his success.

I can't help but feel that the success Utd had in the past 25 years could have been us.

I believe he had agreed to manage us in 1984 after Keith Burkinshaw decided to leave but he changed his mind as his wife wanted to stay in Aberdeen.

Irving Scholar is the reason this would not have been the case.

 

[tttcowan]

Lots about man management, mentality and general leadership... Not a lot on tactics... Hmmmm..........

 

[Locotoro]

Lots about man management, mentality and general leadership... Not a lot on tactics... Hmmmm..........

I think it's well documented that our current scouting system also focuses on the mentality of the players we're looking

 

[kmk]

Lots about man management, mentality and general leadership... Not a lot on tactics... Hmmmm..........

If you want tactics, Tim Sherwood is your man.

 

[tttcowan]

I think it's well documented that our current scouting system also focuses on the mentality of the players we're looking

Not complaining, I rate what's going on at our club. Just interesting isn't how focussed the most successful manager of the modern era is on these type of things.

 

[Donki]

No doubt Fergie could turn players like Flecther, Butt, O'Shea, Evans etc into title winners his ability to get that extra 10% was truly amazing, and from his own words it's all mentality. Having said that , having players like GIggs, Scoles, Beckham appear in your youth teams within generations also help. Hated the man but had to respect him as a manager.

 

[Danners9]

He had good tactical coaches around him. His greatest skill, IMO, was the ability to refresh the squad and continue winning. Some mistakes along the way, selling Stam and signing Veron for example, but overall it didn't cost them too much time. The game changed when Wenger came along and then even more so when Abramovich came along and United's star faded a bit, but the quality of youth player wasn't there anymore either and they had to compete with more teams for the bigger names.

Funny how some fans were calling for his head three years into the job.

 

[ostrov]

Being a Spurs fan , all the rest is secondary but without Ferguson MU have lost their great status for me . You don't see anybody else going for 25 years winnig trophies, building teams, making stars like SAF did. Footbal Legend.

 

[mattdefoe]

He had good tactical coaches around him. His greatest skill, IMO, was the ability to refresh the squad and continue winning. Some mistakes along the way, selling Stam and signing Veron for example, but overall it didn't cost them too much time. The game changed when Wenger came along and then even more so when Abramovich came along and United's star faded a bit, but the quality of youth player wasn't there anymore either and they had to compete with more teams for the bigger names.

Funny how some fans were calling for his head three years into the job.

It faded for bit but then they won 3 on the bounce and a CL. Unearthing ronaldo was pure genius. Just an amazing manager.

 

[spursfan77]

I thought he didn't join us because he was specifically wanted the Man U job and waited for it. It had nothing to do with us messing it up or anything.

 

[Danners9]

It faded for bit but then they won 3 on the bounce and a CL. Unearthing ronaldo was pure genius. Just an amazing manager.

they played Sporting in a friendly and on the flight back some of the players were talking about Ronaldo, said he was amazing, so they looked into how to buy him.

 

[double0]

The interesting thing Ferguson mentioned was that he never changed his philosophy which ment he was therefore consistent throughout his leadership .

A point Pochettinho emphasises on when talking to the media is philosophy, what does that mean people say.... Imo its an important parameter for people to follow.... It has been relevant when we hear our players saying we all know exactly what to do and what's expected.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

Fergie is right. Mentality and good players. The two key things before you get to tactics, shape etc.

 

[jurgen]

The interesting thing Ferguson mentioned was that he never changed his philosophy which ment he was therefore consistent throughout his leadership .

A point Pochettinho emphasises on when talking to the media is philosophy, what does that mean people say.... Imo its an important parameter for people to follow.... It has been relevant when we hear our players saying we all know exactly what to do and what's expected.

Interesting isn't it. To some on here, and generally in the media, 'philosophy' is seen as a dirty word used by forrun managers to make themselves look cleverer..

 

[dontcallme]

Interesting isn't it. To some on here, and generally in the media, 'philosophy' is seen as a dirty word used by forrun managers to make themselves look cleverer..

Like most things it depends on what they mean by philosophy.

Ferguson way of looking at things or philosophy if you like was the mentality of the club was key and he bought strong characters and had no problem with discarding a talented player if they had an attitude that wasn't right for the club. He then saw the players as individuals and wasn't one dimensional in his thinking.

The qualities of Hughes, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Berbatov, Rooney etc varied greatly but he made them all into successful parts of successful teams.

Some of the managers who constantly have their philosophy touted around doesn't seem to go deeper than "I need every player to fit my exact needs or I can't be successful."

 

[Locotoro]

Like most things it depends on what they mean by philosophy.

Ferguson way of looking at things or philosophy if you like was the mentality of the club was key and he bought strong characters and had no problem with discarding a talented player if they had an attitude that wasn't right for the club. He then saw the players as individuals and wasn't one dimensional in his thinking.

The qualities of Hughes, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Berbatov, Rooney etc varied greatly but he made them all into successful parts of successful teams.

Some of the managers who constantly have their philosophy touted around doesn't seem to go deeper than "I need every player to fit my exact needs or I can't be successful."

I agree with you on Fergie's ability to bring in a broad range of playing styles and incorporate them into the working machine that was his Man U.

We have to consider though that his "Philosophy" or style was far more flexible when taking in players of different styles but he was utterly strict when dealing with "luxury" players. If a player didnt work hard (ala Veron) he wouldnt last long. Even if you consider players like Ronaldo and Cantona who were loose cannons in terms of focus and discipline, respectively, he had to change the mentality of the player before they really showed their true ability.

Would a player like Adebayor (for the want of a better example) have been so lazy under Fergie? If he was, he wouldn't have lasted.

 

[Gbspurs]

Mentality is the biggest difference between Fergie and Wenger. Wenger has a philosophy but it's heavily reliant on having good players. When he has them he wins things, when he doesn't he won't.

Wenger hit a gold mine with the cheap French players in the early 90s and that allowed him to build something. His ability to find talented players is what got him where he is and generally he is liked by the players as a father figure and they want to perform for him.

Fergie is different. He could win with shit players too and as history has shown isn't afraid to remove the bad eggs from the group no matter how good they are. I don't believe he would have been liked by the players but he was respected, like a head teacher. He knew how to win, he knew you needed goalscorers and aggression, none of this park the bus nonsense.

Poch seems to be a bit of both, generally seems to be liked by players but also won't tolerate bad eggs. Lets hope he can become a long term success for us like those 2.

 

[riggi]

I missed the first 25 minutes of it. Defiantly will catch it on iplayer. Thought it was a good watch.