So close to being Top tier European Club

[therhinospeaks]

Please correct me if I'm wrong here Tas but I gather you're claiming the following:

We have built the best multi-purpose stadium this side of the Atlantic.
We're a London based club
We have an extraordinary training facility equipped with a boutique on-site accomodation complex
We have the England captain playing for us who has just signed a long-term contract.
We have in Dele quite possibly the most marketable English footballer and potential superstar
We're now a fixture in the Champions league
We play in the most affluent league in the World
Etc etc

He's not saying we're Real or Barca, nor Juve or Bayern. They're the absolute elite of football and we'll never be near them. However, any potential buyer has the ultimate infrastructure in place and all future investment would be solely on the playing staff to ensure we're fighting on all fronts come April each year.

 

[aliyid]

But...... for every Abramovic or Sheikh Mansour, there are about five Glazer, Kroenke, Venky, Tan, Sawiris / Edens, etc...

Being bought out by a sugar daddy won't make Man City any weaker or be a guarantee of success. Add to that the relationship between Levy / Poch and I would say that any buy-out would be far more disruptive than beneficial at this point in time

 

[coys200]

Please correct me if I'm wrong here Tas but I gather you're claiming the following:

We have built the best multi-purpose stadium this side of the Atlantic.
We're a London based club
We have an extraordinary training facility equipped with a boutique on-site accomodation complex
We have the England captain playing for us who has just signed a long-term contract.
We have in Dele quite possibly the most marketable English footballer and potential superstar
We're now a fixture in the Champions league
We play in the most affluent league in the World
Etc etc

He's not saying we're Real or Barca, nor Juve or Bayern. They're the absolute elite of football and we'll never be near them. However, any potential buyer has the ultimate infrastructure in place and all future investment would be solely on the playing staff to ensure we're fighting on all fronts come April each year.

Yup pretty much. The point was there’s very little to do in comparison with some other clubs. If we can get there under Levy steam then fantastic all the better. But history goes to show that no team has ever established itself as a European great without significant spending. Unless you go back to the likes of Ajax.

 

[vegassd]

So I’d argue there’s nothing stopping us getting to city level if the funding was there.

And I would agree. But I would disagree with you about where the source of that funding has to come from.

On the one hand you are saying that our club has built itself 95% of the way to the top table, on the other you are saying our current setup is incapable of filling in that final 5%. It's a fairly contradictory view in my opinion. You're saying we have done an excellent job so far but let's get rid of the owners now because... I'm not even sure quite why honestly.

We haven't yet seen how ENIC run a CL club in a 60k self-owned stadium because it hasn't happened yet. Why is there such a rush to get rid of them? Yes, the elite clubs in the game have a history of spending huge amounts of money but that's primarily because they have huge amounts of revenue. Let our revenue grow and sustain, and then evaluate our spending.

The more I have read about Poch (in books/interviews - not on forums) the more I see how he focuses so heavily on the mental/philosophy side of the game. Sure it's great to have technically gifted footballers, but Poch doesn't need ready-made world beaters. Look at Lallana, at Shaw, at Rose, at Winks, at Sissoko and you can see how good the outcome can be when the player buys in to Poch's philosophy.

So like you, I don't think we have far to push in order to start really competing for trophies every season. But I don't think that Poch needs a gold mine to do it and I personally don't think he has any problem with the level of financial support Levy makes available to him.

 

[alexis]

Please expand ? I’d love to know exactly what you think we need to challenge city ?

The 10k they can pay youth prospects

 

[coys200]

And I would agree. But I would disagree with you about where the source of that funding has to come from.

On the one hand you are saying that our club has built itself 95% of the way to the top table, on the other you are saying our current setup is incapable of filling in that final 5%. It's a fairly contradictory view in my opinion. You're saying we have done an excellent job so far but let's get rid of the owners now because... I'm not even sure quite why honestly.

We haven't yet seen how ENIC run a CL club in a 60k self-owned stadium because it hasn't happened yet. Why is there such a rush to get rid of them? Yes, the elite clubs in the game have a history of spending huge amounts of money but that's primarily because they have huge amounts of revenue. Let our revenue grow and sustain, and then evaluate our spending.

The more I have read about Poch (in books/interviews - not on forums) the more I see how he focuses so heavily on the mental/philosophy side of the game. Sure it's great to have technically gifted footballers, but Poch doesn't need ready-made world beaters. Look at Lallana, at Shaw, at Rose, at Winks, at Sissoko and you can see how good the outcome can be when the player buys in to Poch's philosophy.

So like you, I don't think we have far to push in order to start really competing for trophies every season. But I don't think that Poch needs a gold mine to do it and I personally don't think he has any problem with the level of financial support Levy makes available to him.

I’d love nothing more than for us to do it organically and spend with our extra revenue. But ENIC track record on that front doesn’t exactly fill you with confidence.

 

[vegassd]

I’d love nothing more than for us to do it organically and spend with our extra revenue. But ENIC track record on that front doesn’t exactly fill you with confidence.

Their track record is spending within our means. As our means increase our spending will logically increase. I’m incredibly confident that we can challenge for the league under ENIC.

This has all been done to death before though mate.

 

[Mr Pink]

Had this thread been created today it might not of sounded so nuts lol

 

[Lilbaz]

I’d love nothing more than for us to do it organically and spend with our extra revenue. But ENIC track record on that front doesn’t exactly fill you with confidence.

So basically this whole thread is that you want a sugar daddy owner? That's fine but did you really need to start a new thread on it? We've got loads already.

 

[coys200]

So basically this whole thread is that you want a sugar daddy owner? That's fine but did you really need to start a new thread on it? We've got loads already.

That was never the original point, other people made it so.

 

[vegassd]

That was never the original point, other people made it so.

Original post:

Was just thinking we are literally a Levy phone call away from being up their with the very elite in Europe. The call would be “yes I will sell”.

We must seem a hugely attractive proposition to the right buyer.

with a new mega money owner we’d be considered as elite.

You can see why people think you want to see a sugar daddy right?

 

[Lilbaz]

The unfortunate thing is he might be right. With the cost of the stadium hanging over us we are at a disadvantage to other clubs. The poch situation highlights this.

I don't want levy gone but feel we do need investment. Now that could be from naming rights, enic putting money in, selling a share of the club or even new owners. We are in desperate need to replace wanyama and dembele but it seems we don't have money to do so. We have a ton of games coming up and with dier out we will have probably to give skipp some game time. If he can step up great if not we might struggle. Certainly the likes of sissoko and winks wont get much of a break. The other teams we are competing against could just go out and buy someone else. Then you have toby and eriksen running down their contracts. This modern phenomena has seen the average wage for decent players go through the roof. Ozil and sanchez are now earning £300-500k a week and are not even starters for their teams. The wages are insane as are the cost of replacements.

All a bit depressing really. Hope i'm wrong.

 

[coys200]

Tbh I don’t know what Barcelona spent to assemble the pep team. Obviously a lot were home grown so I’ve no idea on figures. Yes you can reference United class of 92 but they still purchased the top stars. Off the top of my head you’d have to go back to Ajax although I might be wrong on that. But the simple fact is to do it organically is highly unusual and you’d also be highly unlikely to sustain it as the Barca Madrid’s will just try to pinch your best. I never said I didn’t want a sugar daddy. I said that wasn’t the point of the thread. The point was how close we are.

 

[JimmyG2]

Max transfer fee 100 million*
max wages 100 thousand a week.*
players and managers
Foreign players 8 max in a 24 man squad.
Own grown 5 in squad
2 in match day squad.
Loans Max 8.
No foreign owners
10% of all income in Prem to be redistributed
to lower leagues, womens game and older players after care

You can argue over the figures
but not the principle.
Football finance is out of control
and is ruining the game.
Money doesn't just talk
it drowns out everything else

'Bring back a much more leveler playing field.'
Not much of a slogan I know.

* Personally I'd make this lower.
Much.

 

[Lilbaz]

Max transfer fee 100 million*
max wages 100 thousand a week.*
players and managers
Foreign players 8 max in a 24 man squad.
Own grown 5 in squad
2 in match day squad.
Loans Max 8.
No foreign owners
10% of all income in Prem to be redistributed
to lower leagues, womens game and older players after care

You can argue over the figures
but not the principle.
Football finance is out of control
and is ruining the game.
Money doesn't just talk
it drowns out everything else

'Bring back a much more leveler playing field.'
Not much of a slogan I know.

* Personally I'd make this lower.
Much.

Players should get there fair share, it's them we go and see. Would you rather see the money from tickets and tv go into joe lewis pocket or on players?

 

[JimmyG2]

Players should get there fair share, it's them we go and see. Would you rather see the money from tickets and tv go into joe lewis pocket or on players?

Sorry forgot:
30 pounds max ticket price
5 pounds for pensioners and kids under 15
and 75% tax on owners'/ CEO's income.
TV money to be spread
much further and wider.
Sky and BT Sports, Eleven and whoever
to be nationalised.

Cometh the Revolution.

I don't want expensive players.
I like the way we are progressing.
Man.Utd just sacked their manager
with a 15 million pay off for failure
who spent 400 million on 11 players.

It's madness out their.
Lunatics asylum?

 

[coys200]

Just remembered this thread. Doesn’t look so silly now eh lol. Although the premise was Levy selling which may not even be needed, let’s see after this summer. But would still maintain the transfer spend is the last piece in the jigsaw.

 

[vegassd]

Just remembered this thread. Doesn’t look so silly now eh lol. Although the premise was Levy selling which may not even be needed, let’s see after this summer. But would still maintain the transfer spend is the last piece in the jigsaw.

What a great way to phrase the entire ENIC debate.

I think most people agree that we need to be spending money on players in order to become regular winners, the main opinion differences are about the timing of that spending. There are those of us who think we should build a solid foundation before focusing on the players and there are other who think that we are a football club and therefore player spending should come before infrastructure. Both totally valid viewpoints.

It's frustrating to watch ENIC do it "their way" because it's a very slow and steady approach. The additional frustration is that us fans don't get a realistic say in what they are doing... although that's probably a good thing because we would likely vote 50/50 on everything and get a mini-Brexit situation at the club!

So this summer will be interesting. The first time we get a glimpse at what the "ENIC way" looks like once the boring stuff is in place. I doubt they are going to win over anybody who already doesn't like them, but if they don't address certain holes in the squad I can see them losing quite a few fans.

 

[Destroyer]

What a great way to phrase the entire ENIC debate.

So this summer will be interesting. The first time we get a glimpse at what the "ENIC way" looks like once the boring stuff is in place. I doubt they are going to win over anybody who already doesn't like them, but if they don't address certain holes in the squad I can see them losing quite a few fans.

You know they are still gonna throw out the old FFP one don't you ?

 

[Lilbaz]

You know they are still gonna throw out the old FFP one don't you ?

Not sure what you mean? We could probably spend £250m and still be in line to meet ffp.