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nightgoat

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Sep 12, 2005
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He had 1 key player sold for a record fee.

Why are people so oblivious to the shit he had us playing in both seasons. He had a freak of a player in Bale to mask over the cracks which were visible even in the early days. Our inability to break down teams.

Modric. Van der Vaart. King retiring. Only King was anywhere near adequately replaced.
 

barry

Bring me Messi
May 22, 2005
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If he walked I couldn't fucking blame him. He didn't deserve all the bollocks he got, he deserved a lot better. I know recent results weren't great but he has his team sold from underneath him, gets another thrown together and thrown at him and when he's not doing even better than the year before he gets sacked. It's embarrassing yet so, so typical.

By his team do you mean Bale, one of the worlds great players who papered over AVB's deficiencies.
Do you actually believe that with this squad many managers couldn't of done far far better than AVB?
What did you see in the last eighteen months that made you think we were turning the corner? I must know because I saw nothing.
 

Snarfalicious

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Jul 15, 2012
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You are completely missing the point. Hilariously so. You think I'm moaning about the team. I'm moaning at everyone fucking moaning and turning on the team. Our support is pathetic and it's holding us back. We boo and boo and boo until the boss gets sacked and we start over. And repeat. And repeat again. Instead of getting behind the team win lose or draw. AVB said it himself. If we win at home 1-0 it would be in spite of the fans, not with the help of them.

I rated the post that I quoted you from "winner." I was agreeing with your point about the fans. And, quite frankly I'm not quite sure how you misinterpreted my piggy-backing off your point. Seems cut and dry to me. Did I supply a cryptic?
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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AVB said it himself and he was right. The fans are fucking shit, even the players don't like playing at home. Look at our home form. Isnt it a coincidence? We've looked much better away all season. He was right but there's no point in me arguing it is there? You're the very fans he means.

The fans might be shit at home. But so was the football at home for the most part under AVB.

The real reason why we were better away from home is because our football was better suited to playing away from home. Last season we had the ball winners and strength in the middle of the park to feed Bale on the break. Teams came out and played, which was great for us as we had space to operate in and exploit.


At home AVB played the same way . The problem was teams weren't coming on to us - they were sitting deep and AVB had no answer to that whatsoever.

To be honest I think frustration got the better of him in the end.
 

Davo99

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Dec 2, 2006
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I rated the post that I quoted you from "winner." I was agreeing with your point about the fans. And, quite frankly I'm not quite sure how you misinterpreted my piggy-backing off your point. Seems cut and dry to me. Did I supply a cryptic?
Sorry I thought that last paragraph was aimed at me. My mistake.
 

npr60

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Dec 7, 2006
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The negativity swirling around this club right now is just nonstop. It seeps through from the media and it's exacerbated by some of (not all) fans. We all want to be successful. We all want to play attractive and effective football. Isn't it easier to back the club/players than to bitch and moan? For me, it is. Yes, it sucks to watch us suck, but seriously, bitching and moaning is only going to make all this bullshit surrounding the club a never-ending cycle as nothing will ever be enough (outside of winning a title which seems a long way off at this point). I never understand it.

"I pay money to watch the club." "We are the fans who make the club run." Fuck that. People pay money to go watch matches with a preconceived notion that "if shit hits the fan, I'm booing this squad today." Get over yourself. Sell your tickets if you want to be like that. Being from America, I'd kill to have the opportunity to go to a Spurs match just once a year. Be fucking grateful you have that opportunity, it's a privilege. I've been supporting this club for years and have never even been able to watch them live at WHL.

I'm not overly optimistic and I am no expert on human behaviors, but I'd imagine it'd be much more likely for the squad to play determined and make the most of out of playing at home if they knew that thick or thin, the fans had their back.

Wow - are you Napoleon Dynamite?
 

Donki

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May 14, 2007
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Fucking hell you're great. Can I friend you on Facebook? You're like, a shining example to us all.

Actually, you're going on as though you've been our greatest fan ever and never slag off our players. Looking over some of your posts brings out

"Serious question: is Andros Townsend even good?"

"Dembele, Dawson and Naughton are just shocking"

"Dear Harry Redknapp,

Kindly fuck off. You're a boring old man who is no longer the manager of Tottenham Hotspur. Get over it you sad pathetic man. Just shut the fuck up - just once. Please. Fuck off.!

"I still cannot believe how much Dembele gets overrated by Spurs fans."

Everyone slags people off now and again. I do it myself, but don't strut about making out you're something special.
Fucking hell you're great. Can I friend you on Facebook? You're like, a shining example to us all.

Actually, you're going on as though you've been our greatest fan ever and never slag off our players. Looking over some of your posts brings out

"Serious question: is Andros Townsend even good?"

"Dembele, Dawson and Naughton are just shocking"

"Dear Harry Redknapp,

Kindly fuck off. You're a boring old man who is no longer the manager of Tottenham Hotspur. Get over it you sad pathetic man. Just shut the fuck up - just once. Please. Fuck off.!

"I still cannot believe how much Dembele gets overrated by Spurs fans."

Everyone slags people off now and again. I do it myself, but don't strut about making out you're something special.

(y)
 

barry

Bring me Messi
May 22, 2005
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You are completely missing the point. Hilariously so. You think I'm moaning about the team. I'm moaning at everyone fucking moaning and turning on the team. Our support is pathetic and it's holding us back. We boo and boo and boo until the boss gets sacked and we start over. And repeat. And repeat again. Instead of getting behind the team win lose or draw. AVB said it himself. If we win at home 1-0 it would be in spite of the fans, not with the help of them.

But he was taking a great team and making them shit. When do you stop supporting and start to ask questions, or even make a change. Loyalty is an admirable quality, but in this instance I think it's misplaced. Blind loyalty will only lead to a path of folly my friend.
 

Stevie_ni2003

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Jul 11, 2011
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Modric. Van der Vaart. King retiring. Only King was anywhere near adequately replaced.

Were there not reports he didn't want VDV. As for Modric, what were the club to do, tie him up in the changing rooms?? Sure Most people seem to think he had an amazing season anyhow without Modric. Really we had a season saved by the brilliance of Bale. Take away Bale and look what we have.
 

jonathanhotspur

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Jun 28, 2009
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Didn't want Chadli, yet strangely slapped him straight into the first team for 90 minutes in the first game of the season.


Innnnnteresting.
Yes, but it is also very odd that he is alleged to have wanted Soldado, when he is so poorly equipped to play as a lone striker.
 

Donki

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It's possible that he may have wanted to keep Caulker and not have to buy a replacement. Wasn't there suggestion in the summer that Caulker was sold because he said something about Lewis' daughter or something? I can also understand him not wanting, or feeling the need to sign Chadli. When we signed him the noises were still that Bale would be staying. Add that to Townsend coming back from loan and Sigurdsson being used wide frequently last season and Chadli would seem surplus to requirements.

In fact it wouldn't at all surprise me if Levy was the main instigator of the end of window spree. Once Bale was going to be sold Levy would know he'd be held culpable rather than AVB and probably felt the need to make a statement to the fans, so to speak. Which obviously worked, as the majority of the fans (on here at least) were creaming themselves at every signing and rumour.

Given how cautious AVB was in integrating Lloris into the team last season, I find it highly likely he would not have wanted to have had to have been left with so many new signings (as well as two returning loanees and Kaboul coming back from injury) with which to construct a team. With the press and fans realising that this could be the most open season at the top of the league for over a decade for the simple reason that three of the previous season's top four were going through the upheaval of new managers, I think AVB thought the teams who would profit most would be the ones who had the least amount of disruption to deal with. Arsenal and Liverpool being top is testament enough to this.

Quotes or it's all opinion :).
 

Rout-Ledge

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Jul 29, 2005
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Er... seriously?

No-one "got him sacked". Daniel Levy sacked him. He made a decision based on our results, form and where he felt the future was going.

I disagree with the sacking, but if for one minute anyone believes Daniel Levy is the sort of man to bay to pressure from fans then they are seriously deluded.

And booing after losing 5-0 at home isn't exactly unheard of is it? Not is it pressuring a chairman to sack the manager.

When you've got placards being brandished and songs being sung loudly by large groups of support, then that's pressuring the chairman to sack the coach.
 

dagraham

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Sep 20, 2005
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Yes, but it is also very odd that he is alleged to have wanted Soldado, when he is so poorly equipped to play as a lone striker.

It is odd. And its things like that which made me doubt him as a manager.

I'm not sure we'll ever know who he wanted, which is one of the big problems at Spurs. Far too many power struggles and political bullshit.
 

Kendall

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Feb 8, 2007
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Buying an actual replacement would be/have been a good start.

Like who?

There were loads of people calling for Dembele to be signed as a replcement because of his form for Fulham and IMO he started off great for us. He's just looked shackled for a while and I don't know what it is.

There arent' any ready made replacements for the likes of Modric, that's why Real bought him for so much money and Chelsea wanted him for more.
 

King of Otters

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Jun 11, 2012
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You could argue that we're moving in the right direction under the current set up as we got turned over three nil under master tactician AVB just a few weeks back.

I thought we were very unlucky tonight. We weren't outstanding, but then we did lose five nil at home three days ago so we shouldn't expect too much. Ultimately, Vlad and Capoue were utterly hopeless when it came to dealing with long balls, and there's not much Sherwood could have done about that.
 
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Ribble

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Apr 13, 2011
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Like who?

There were loads of people calling for Dembele to be signed as a replcement because of his form for Fulham and IMO he started off great for us. He's just looked shackled for a while and I don't know what it is.

There arent' any ready made replacements for the likes of Modric, that's why Real bought him for so much money and Chelsea wanted him for more.

Well there's this Portuguese guy I'd heard of...
 

SpurSince57

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Jan 20, 2006
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If he walked I couldn't fucking blame him. He didn't deserve all the bollocks he got, he deserved a lot better. I know recent results weren't great but he has his team sold from underneath him, gets another thrown together and thrown at him and when he's not doing even better than the year before he gets sacked. It's embarrassing yet so, so typical.

Oh boofuckinghoo. What a pile of snivelling half-witted horseshit.

He had his team sold from underneath him? He had £160m spent on players in just three windows, almost as much as Redknapp and Ramos combined, so let's just cut the crap, shall we?
 
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