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Some thoughts on the Wigan match

spud

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Where do I start? I know.....that was one of the most depressing, insipid, gutless displays by a Tottenham team that I have ever had the misfortune to witness. From tactics and personnel selection to individual and collective performances to inexplicable substitutions, there is barely anything to praise. I write this just after the game and without seeing any comment, so this may be a knee-jerk reaction, but I really can'y see my opinion changing.

The one thing that gave cause for optimism was the performance of Michael Dawson. One of only two only players (the other being Jamie O'Hara) to emerge with any kind of credit from the debacle. He was strong in the air and in the tackle and was just about our only hope of avoiding defeat. When he went off injured, we were sunk.

I can understand that, expecting a muscular performance from Wigan, you try to match fire with fire. So you play a defensive midfielder. But Ledley King? A man who is not fit enough to train between games is played in a position with which he is almost totally unfamiliar, and (almost certainly) without his teammates seeing him play in training! Why not Corluka, with Zokora at right back? At least they could have practised that.

Gareth Bale. Oh Dear. How can such a talented player who played so well when he first arrived become such a liability? If I was awarding marks out of ten, he might get one for turning up. It was as if he had never played the game. Positionally poor, he challenged his opponent square on, therefore giving him both inside and out. No surprise, then, that he barely made a tackle. He clearly had no confidence, and no idea. What do they do in training? We have a cast of thousands on the staff, can't any of them help a young man play in his preferred position? Doesn't anybody know how to play full back?

Poor Bale was the worst, but really, who was much better? Nobody gave me the impression that they wanted to win. Nobody seemed to be ready to play. When we had control in the first few minutes and Wigan didn't lay down and die, the life went out of us. Inaccurate passing, virtually no movement, no support for the ball-carrier. Etc....etc....etc.

So what does the management do? First, nothing. Then , shortly after half time replace Pav with Bent. Why five minutes into the second half? If Pav was injured, fair enough, but ridiculous if he wasn't, as it didn't give him enough time to make an impression and gave Bent five minutes less time to make a difference.

Then, having pushed Modric into a position on the right where he will be less effective, he is taken off. So now we have replaced two players with skill for one with none (Bent) and Lennon. And what happens? Lennon gets the ball about three times in total. WTF? Wasn't there any instruction to give it to him? If you want to give the opposition a problem by bringing on somebody who can hurt them, shouldn't you have a plan to get the ball to him?

And what about Gomes? The man pulls a hamstring or groin early in the second half and - it appears - is forced to stay on! FFS - if your keeper can't run / kick / move around his area aren't you asking for trouble? Even if we had got away with it and got a point, how long is he going to be out for now that he has made his injury worse by playing on? You had a keeper on the bench Redknapp, why didn't you use him?

I don't get it, I really don't. I realise that this has been a rant, but I can't believe what I just saw. I was worried before today by the increasing tendency of players and management to blame everything but themselves for bad results, but after that I'm terrified. There is simply nothing to suggest any cause for optimism. One thing is for certain: no matter who we sign this month, if this is the benchmark for the rest of our season, then we are going down. And don't expect us to bounce back any time soon.
 

KingKay

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Losing is bad enough, but playing that kind of football and losing is just devastating ... thats not the spurs we know and love, id rather go down all guns blazing than watch that dross every week ... the efforts not there, the tactics are questionable, pathetic!
 

lis spur

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apparently redknapp says he needs 4 new players who in there right mind would want to join this crap,not even a shot of any note ,and i dont want to hear any oh we were 3 mins away from a hard fought draw ,draws wont keep us up we need some wins
 

BringBack_leGin

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our problem appears not so much in defense but in attack. We create so little it is untrue. We actually defender well till the 91st. I hope Dawson isn't out next game and that King is fit, because King is our best defensive midfielder and by playing him in there I think all of the ther three can be attack minded. I want to see Jenas, Lennon and Modric all in midfield from now on, regardless of who is left, right and centre. It is all well and good having 45m woth of strikers, but if there is no service then they might as wel be kids from the youth set up.
 

garymcl

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Couldnt have summed it up any better spud.

How many of you lot watched the last 10 minutes of that came wiv your fingers crossed....it's heart breaking isnt it....we all knew it was coming.

I aint gonna get into the tactics or onslaughts on certain players but until we get a leader in that team, someone with a set of bollocks then we'll continue to get fucked, week in, week out.

A few weeks back I even checked out what points totals the 3rd last teams in the PL the past 5 years got relegated with....fuck that, we'll be lucky if we even get as high as 18th.

The only thing we got going for us is the fact that there ARE others playing as inconsistently shite as ourselves...lets just hope we turn it around.
 

2bearis2do

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Spud,
I applaud you for seeing it the way it was and finding the energy to express it.

I am getting increasingly worried by Harry and feel that he is limited in his vision for a THFC. I´d rather see at this moment in time Clive Allen become first team coach. If we go down then it will be out with Harry and in with the new. We were in a great position five games ago, since then its been nothing short of atrocious. Today just underlined that Harry hasn´t moved this team on at all and he is looking increasingly short of ideas.
 

Spursnut

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The only thing that is giving me hope at the minute is that we are only 3 points off 11th place. But if we play like that again thats a long way off.
 

mancman

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Good article Spud, you clearly are very passionate about our club. For vmy own part I thought that Wigan deserved to win and they certainly play a very physical game with a certain degree of skill. To be honest I think the likes of United, Arsenal(especially), Liverpool and Chelsea would find Wigan tough on current form. Wigan, given their limited finances, are a very difficult team to beat when full strength.
Having said all that I would not like to watch Wigan every week. It saddens me that Spurs played in such a negative, defensive manner. Of course if Spurs had snatched a 1-0 win a lot of people (including many Spurs fans) would have lauded the managerial talents of Harry Redknapp. Well I for one would not applaud his negativity. Frankly by the 80th minute I was bored rigid and couldn't give a damn about the final result. In fact the goal when it came had air of inevitability about it.
I love Spurs because of their flair and style and entertainment value. I would rather lose gloriously than in this vain.
Well played Dawson & O'hara. As for Zokora (played wide right !!!!!!) and the rest I agree with Spud.
As an aside when Defoe was our 4th striker it was because he could not hold the ball up and displayed little or no peripheral vision and was sometimes a liability.[SO NO CHANGE THERE THEN].
God I miss Martin Jol, Steed Malbrangue, Michael Carrick and yes Lee Young-Pyo. It seems so long ago that the wonderful feelings generated by Martin Jol made supporting Spurs so pleasureable.
 

mendesstormer

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No, sorry - I have to say you are way overreacting to that defeat. A draw wouldn't have been a disaster, by any means. Bad luck with injuries cost us dear. I think Harry's gameplan was fine - a solid defensive midfield to hold them out in the first half then bring on Lennon to liven things up and put them under pressure in the 2nd - could easily have brought us 3 points on another day. Choice of King as defensive midfielder was, yes, surprising, but he's done it a few times for England, so it's not that strange a decision.

Having said that, it was certainly a disappointing performance, and we are clearly lacking some bite and leadership. But nothing close to the worst performances in what has been a very up and down season.
 

jrio

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Anyone thinking that was one of the "most depressing, insipid, gutless displays by a Tottenham team" they've ever seen hasn't seen that many. It wasn't even near one of those this season, lest anyone forget the first few months of the season.
 

DiscoD1882

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I agree with you mate. an article written in the heta of the moment but it expresses true feelings of doubt. Bale was atrocious. He needs to go back to playing reserve team footbal until he can get some confidence back. Ledley has played at dm before and did a good job but we were out muscled for most of the game. To there credit wigan play the type of football we just cant combat. they dont give you any time on the ball and are very physical. My only moan about them is that they go down quicker the a two bit whore. Our strikers were starved of any chances today and that is very worrying. I think Hudd needs to be bought back into the team very soon and at very least we might get some movement from the middle of the park. But yes the signs are worrying. To end on a positive Wigan have taken more points than Manure in the last ten games so this was always going to be difficult. lets try and keep the faith. two home wins and we are up the table. no one down there is making a move at the moment.
 

spud

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.......Bad luck with injuries cost us dear.

What injuries were they then? Dawson's possibly, although it was Jenas's man who scored the goal. Gomes's? Hardly bad luck that our tactical genius didn't sub him. More bad judgement.

.....it was certainly a disappointing performance.....But nothing close to the worst performances in what has been a very up and down season.

My God! I haven't seen all of our games, but if we've played worse than that then we're in even more trouble than I thought.
 

striebs

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This is the result of Levy's obsession with D.O.F. and his hatred of football people .

We've ended up with a group of players who are of his exact ilk : the epitomy of mediocrity and gutlessness

Oh that scumbag was lying in the gutter where he should be urinating himself and selling the Big Issue .

In his efforts to rip us off and turn Spurs into a cash cow he's reduced us to shamefullness worse that Sugar's team .
 

riversmonkey

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I thought we were unlucky to be honest. Harry set us up for a point and for 90 minutes we coped ok and almost got what we arguably deserved by defending resolutely until the last minute. It was a dreadful game entertainment wise, and the main difference between the two sides was that their Strikeforce worked harder than ours, for most of the game Heskey and Zaki linked up and worked our centrebacks and defence, every long ball played from Wigan was a threat, every ball down the channel was chased. However when we attempted a similar game our strikers had no understanding with each other and all to often they dropped far too deep in an attempt to get into the game.
 

Jonboy

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I agree with you spud, I ve just got back from the JJB and I have lost all morale, I dont think we had a shot on target in the second half, but could be wrong as I had my head in my hands for large parts of the second half.
 

mendesstormer

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What injuries were they then? Dawson's possibly, although it was Jenas's man who scored the goal. Gomes's? Hardly bad luck that our tactical genius didn't sub him. More bad judgement.



My God! I haven't seen all of our games, but if we've played worse than that then we're in even more trouble than I thought.

Believe me, we've played far far worse.
 

infamousyiddo

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agree spud. redknapp cocked it up today, we were so negative. against man utd i could understand playing that formation but it was only wigan!!

Hopeless!!
 

sebo_sek

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The Gomes situation was the worst for me (barring taking Modric off, I was like WTF when that one happened). He was playing injured through out the second half and a bit of the first. Sanches must be blind, because I can't see any onther reason why they don't trust an experienced GK who has the CL final in his resume.

Like it's been said only 3 points from 11th. Well not entirely. That WAS the situation before that pile of shit we were forced to watch. Now a win takes us no higher than 14th, realsitcally. We can't expect all of thise teams to lose.

JJ had too little time to make a difference but did run his socks off again. All in all highly depressing and... sod it really.
 

sebo_sek

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Believe me, we've played far far worse.
Burnley first half maybe, but in the league, I don't recall.

What amazes me is that the same group of players can score four past Arsenal, draw with chelsea away from home, beat Liverpool (twice), come back from 2 goals down against the second team in Russia, but we fail to beat Stoke, Hull, Newcastle, Wigan (1 point from those by the way, and we played wigan twice in the league).

Any ideas why?
 

riversmonkey

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The Gomes situation was the worst for me (barring taking Modric off, I was like WTF when that one happened). He was playing injured through out the second half and a bit of the first. Sanches must be blind, because I can't see any onther reason why they don't trust an experienced GK who has the CL final in his resume.

Gomes told the physio he was OK, that information was passed to the bench and the third sub was made.
 
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