'Spurs ground plan to put Arsenal in shade' - Times

[Lilbaz]

that is a start tbf and good for the daily commuters. But you do know that they have 6 car trains on a match day already?

I get a bus from 7 Sisters so never use the train. I believe that Northumberland Park is also increasing the amount of trains.

 

[Lilbaz]

http://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/arup-appendixd.pdf

Fill your boots.

 

[Mustard]

http://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/arup-appendixd.pdf

Fill your boots.

Crikey. That is detailed. My point remains though.

What should happen is the current Northumberland Park Depot should have platforms added. There is actually already an existing separate tunnel connecting seven sisters to there now but it is used for overflow or whatever else the network needs. Last I heard it would cost in the region of 30m to make it happen. @davidmatzdorf knows about this I believe.

This is what is required.

 

[Mustard]

Also @Lilbaz youre a lazy bugger. Just walk from seven sisters.

 

[Lilbaz]

Crikey. That is detailed. My point remains though.

What should happen is the current Northumberland Park Depot should have platforms added. There is actually already an existing separate tunnel connecting seven sisters to there now but it is used for overflow or whatever else the network needs. Last I heard it would cost in the region of 30m to make it happen. @davidmatzdorf knows about this I believe.

This is what is required.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northumberland_Park_railway_station#Future

In 2007 Haringey Council supported proposals for platforms for the Victoria line to be built at Northumberland Park. These would be to the east of the main line platforms between the main line and the Northumberland Park Depot.[13] This was supported by the former Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone.[14] It is claimed that this would aid regeneration of the area, and that better transport links would have to be part of plans to increase capacity at White Hart Lane.[15]

In February 2013, the Crossrail task force of business group London First, chaired by former Secretary of State for Transport Andrew Adonis, published its recommendations on Crossrail 2, favouring a route almost identical to the regional option proposed by TfL in 2011.[16] The report was endorsed by Network Rail.[17] If this happens it is likely that few if any main line trains will continue to call at Northumberland Park.

This proposal will see four tracks restored through Northumberland Park to Tottenham Hale and direct links via central London to the South-West suburbs.

 

[Lilbaz]

Also @Lilbaz youre a lazy bugger. Just walk from seven sisters.

I walk back. I've even walked home to Camden a couple of times. But whats the point if you can get a bus?

 

[Mustard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northumberland_Park_railway_station#Future

In 2007 Haringey Council supported proposals for platforms for the Victoria line to be built at Northumberland Park. These would be to the east of the main line platforms between the main line and the Northumberland Park Depot.[13] This was supported by the former Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone.[14] It is claimed that this would aid regeneration of the area, and that better transport links would have to be part of plans to increase capacity at White Hart Lane.[15]

In February 2013, the Crossrail task force of business group London First, chaired by former Secretary of State for Transport Andrew Adonis, published its recommendations on Crossrail 2, favouring a route almost identical to the regional option proposed by TfL in 2011.[16] The report was endorsed by Network Rail.[17] If this happens it is likely that few if any main line trains will continue to call at Northumberland Park.

This proposal will see four tracks restored through Northumberland Park to Tottenham Hale and direct links via central London to the South-West suburbs.

Yes. I was aware of this. Boris the **** scuppered these plans due to cost. I believe he said it wouldn't be required till 2029. We may still be in Milton Keynes by then.

 

[jambreck]

What London Overground are you talking about? And how does Stratford help?

You clearly don't know the area.

Patience happens now. Double the capacity without extra infrastructure and it won't be patience. It will be chaos.

The point is that there will be more trains to more destinations. Ain't rocket science, fella.

And I see that Lilbaz has already filled you in about the rest.

Lastly, as I said, Old Trafford copes with a much bigger capacity and less by way of public transport. I'm sure we'll live too.

 

[jambreck]

Crikey. That is detailed. My point remains though.

What should happen is the current Northumberland Park Depot should have platforms added. There is actually already an existing separate tunnel connecting seven sisters to there now but it is used for overflow or whatever else the network needs. Last I heard it would cost in the region of 30m to make it happen. @davidmatzdorf knows about this I believe.

This is what is required.

I had a discussion about this with someone I came across who deals with this kind of thing at TfL. He said that it had long been considered but there was little chance of it ever happening. Nothing to do with cost. Simply a matter of practicality - primarily, the fact that there is no room for extra capacity on the Victoria line as it is (if I understood him correctly).

 

[Phischy]

Just about everyone who matters is hugely against any changes to the Victoria Line. As I understand it, it's the most efficient and reliable line on the network. Apart from the automated trains (the drivers don't really drive, they monitor and take action if required) the line is (I believe) the only one that doesn't have any spur lines nor merging with other lines (ignoring the obvious like Waterloo & City!). Therefore they want to avoid adding anything like a spur to Northumberland Park as it would disrupt the smooth running of the line across the network (I.e. in Central London) whilst only providing a benefit to those living in Tottenham and football fans. Apart from the cost I think it's a reasonable argument and solutions such as improving the under-utilised and inefficient overground/mainline services and the likes of Crossrail 2 are much better looking solutions. Obviously it will take time and it will be difficult to get away with a larger capacity, but with any luck that will help save some of our disappearing pubs. I just hope whatever we finally get is a coherent stadium design which maximises atmosphere and the experience of coming to a game which eventually gets decent transport links.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

We had 60k + crowds often in the 50s and 60s.

We had traffic congestion but we still kept going to games.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

Why the fuck would we want to increase the capacity ?

Because we could regain former status and should aspire to do so.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

If we can sell out, yes of course they would buy season tickets. For normal fans the capacity is only going up by about 12-15k. We have a waiting list of season tickets of over 20k. Not suggesting that all will buy them. But we can also reduce prices if needed or grow.

We are not necessarily building the stadium for the capacity that we require now. But the capacity we will require in the next 5-10-20 years.

50 years even.

 

[Stoof]

Fine. But how does that change the infrastructure?

It's just like re badging the mini metro as a rover. It's still shit.

"They've re-badged it you fool".

Classic Partridge.

 

[steve]

that is a start tbf and good for the daily commuters. But you do know that they have 6 car trains on a match day already?

8 car actually.

The Vic line extension won't happen btw, I work for TFL and have asked the question more than once.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Because we could regain former status and should aspire to do so.

I'd rather we made decisions based on more rational grounds to be honest, like how many tickets we are likely to sell each game.

You think it's better to have a bigger, but half empty ground or a smaller fuller ground ?

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I'd rather we made decisions based on more rational grounds to be honest, like how many tickets we are likely to sell each game.

You think it's better to have a bigger, but half empty ground or a smaller fuller ground ?

All depends on how attractive and successful we are!?!?

If we're doing really well we’ll sell out 61k probably for about 80% of games. Mid table and or really boring and we’ll be lucky to fill it for 40%

 

[Bus-Conductor]

All depends on how attractive and successful we are!?!?

If we're doing really well we’ll sell out 61k probably for about 80% of games. Mid table and or really boring and we’ll be lucky to fill it for 40%

I really doubt our ability to sell out 61K for 80% of our games. I'd much rather build a 50/55k seater that we sell out most weeks than sit a third/half empty stadium.

 

[mil1lion]

I hope if they go ahead with the increased capacity that they're sensible with the ticketing. I would keep the upper seats empty and try and get all the fans in the bottom tier and bottom part of the upper tier filled first and foremost. We want the fans close together and near to the pitch to ensure the atmosphere is as loud as possible. They also need to keep all the regular season ticket holders together in order to drive the chants and get the rest of the crowd going. Increasing the capacity means more new fans so it's important that the regulars are able to affect the atmosphere.

 

[Lilbaz]

I'd rather we made decisions based on more rational grounds to be honest, like how many tickets we are likely to sell each game.

You think it's better to have a bigger, but half empty ground or a smaller fuller ground ?

BC you don't have to have 61k straight away. You can do what Brighton did and have a false wall only putting in the last few seats if we grow. 55k is probably the capacity we need now. What happens in 5 years if we start to regularly win trophies/get into the CL and a 55k stadium is not big enough? We can do plenty of other things to attract new fans as well reduce ticket prices especially for children and students/do deals with foreign travel agents or airlines (if the UK makes the visa simpler for China we can expect a massive increase to tourism/advertise etc...