Spurs Summer Tour 2017

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I work a bit late on Tuesdays, RBA isnt all that great and a weekend in Nashville is tough to turn down. Also, I'd rather not go alone and its a better possibility of going to the Spurs/City game since im good buddies with a few CIty fans. Dont know any Spurs fans.
RBA is the best soccer specific stadium in the US.

And the reason to go is to meet Spurs fans. Being part of a supporters club in the states is a good amount of fun
 

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RBA is the best soccer specific stadium in the US.

And the reason to go is to meet Spurs fans. Being part of a supporters club in the states is a good amount of fun
Unfortunately it's also the best in Salzburg and Leipzig. Red Bull are scum. Don't begrudge anyone going as the only chance to see Spurs play in the flesh, but I'd be loath to give them any money.
 

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Rather we skipped the tour this year and played as many friendlies as we can at Wembley if that is to be our home for one year.

The lads need as much time to get used to the bigger pitch and new surroundings as possible.
After our disasterous CL campaign i'd rather we played against European competition than cosy home friendlies.
 

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South & east USA is a great option for pre-season. Not much travelling (unlike Oz last year) and hot humid conditions which will help build up fitness (unlike going to Oz in their winter).
All round I'm happy with it.
 

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RBA is the best soccer specific stadium in the US.

And the reason to go is to meet Spurs fans. Being part of a supporters club in the states is a good amount of fun
Orlando City Stadium begs to differ. We've got standing terraces and a lovely shade of purple. RBA got nothing on us. I know they're playing this game at the Citrus Bowl (Camping World Stadium or whatever its officially titled now), but our new stadium is incredible. Anyone who finds themselves in Orlando for the Spurs v. PSG game should do everything in their power to watch OCSC play. Everything will probably still be sold out through the summer, but if you can get your hands on tickets I can promise an environment you won't forget.
 
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Unfortunately it's also the best in Salzburg and Leipzig. Red Bull are scum. Don't begrudge anyone going as the only chance to see Spurs play in the flesh, but I'd be loath to give them any money.
Come on man. How are they scum if the fans of the team appreciate them for what they've done for their clubs? People hate RB more than teams like City, who is owned by legitimately bad people. Red Bull is a great brand and a great company to work for.
 

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Come on man. How are they scum if the fans of the team appreciate them for what they've done for their clubs? People hate RB more than teams like City, who is owned by legitimately bad people. Red Bull is a great brand and a great company to work for.
In Germany, they've blatantly abused the supporter-owned structure to overtake other clubs. In Austria, they've screwed over their club and started sending all their talent to Leipzig instead, messing up the entire league in the process. They're not the type of owners I want in football at all.
 

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Which we should be doing at Wembley, not in 100% humidity in Florida which is going to do nothing for the team.
Well we are not so get over it.

Preseason is about fitness, if it wasn't why would half of the cream of Europe be travelling. You do realise that RM and Barca are playing in Miami as well?

The Club are fully aware of the climate conditions, it's not like Levy phoned up Expedia Travel and did a group booking for the US as a reward to the players for a good season now is it....
 
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Can we get a banning order on Wembley conversation until the new season starts? I am totally tired of the thinking that leads to the idea that we screwed up the Champions League or the Europa League because of the stadium. We lost to Monaco at Wembley because they are a good team. We lost to Leverkusen at Wembley because we were going through the worst stretch of our season so far. We beat CSKA at Wembley because they are shit. We lost the tie against Gent because we couldn't score against a shit Belgian team at theirs and one of our best players got sent off in the second leg because the referee let the Belgians commit any foul they wanted and only booked the reactions.
These preseason games are about fitness and money. Unless its Barca a Wembley friendly doesn't make us money and oh by the way there is an unconfirmed Barca game as part of this competition in Europe against unknown opposition. Fitness is helped by humidity and adverse conditions. This tour fits better with our objectives than getting us "used to" Wembley. Whatever in the world that means.
 
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In Germany, they've blatantly abused the supporter-owned structure to overtake other clubs. In Austria, they've screwed over their club and started sending all their talent to Leipzig instead, messing up the entire league in the process. They're not the type of owners I want in football at all.
Why does it matter if you're owned by fans or a corporation if the fans of your team love you? Leipzig supporters are thrilled to have Bundesliga football, and they've gotten there by investing smartly, not just throwing money like City or Chelsea.

Salzburg is leading the Austrian Bundesliga so they haven't "screwed them over".
 

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Which we should be doing at Wembley, not in 100% humidity in Florida which is going to do nothing for the team.
If humidity is the issue, would you rather we went to Arizona and played in 120 degree fahrenheit weather with no humidity?

Its pre season in July, the US is probably the clubs biggest market outside of England and its more than likely the stadium sponsor will probably be an American fortune 500 company so we might as well showcase the side in the states? Appease the US supporters and the US supporter clubs and market the club to companies. Win/win. At least it will be televised. You really think we'd have played friendlies in Wembley? Without this week long tour, we'd probably only be playing untelevised friendlies at the training ground against lower league sides(which we've seen a preference for from Pochettinho).
 

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I really don't understand why clubs do their long haul international tours as pre-season affairs rather than post season affairs. Post-season, the pressure is off, the opportunity for PR is still there, as well as the chance to bond, have a bit of a holiday and let off steam. Pre-season should be about getting ready for the new season, and intercontinental tours surely have nothing to do with that.
 

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I really don't understand why clubs do their long haul international tours as pre-season affairs rather than post season affairs. Post-season, the pressure is off, the opportunity for PR is still there, as well as the chance to bond, have a bit of a holiday and let off steam. Pre-season should be about getting ready for the new season, and intercontinental tours surely have nothing to do with that.
Welcome to the new world. Its a global game where teams that expect to compete at the top of their leagues need to maximize revenues via global marketing. Spurs are playing catch-up, and can't really afford to fall further behind teams in England in terms of their marketing presence. I would expect a North American "tour" at least every other season, and a few trips to Asia mixed in.

I am pretty sure I already saw a rumour of a post-season match in Asia ...
 

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Any Stateside promotion of the Club is a big winner in my book. Really good to see us being invited to play with the European big boys!
 
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Why does it matter if you're owned by fans or a corporation if the fans of your team love you? Leipzig supporters are thrilled to have Bundesliga football, and they've gotten there by investing smartly, not just throwing money like City or Chelsea.

Salzburg is leading the Austrian Bundesliga so they haven't "screwed them over".
How about the rest of the league? Fans of teams who've fought against the commercial and financial constraints for the good of the game, only to see a Champions League place taken away by an energy drinks firm who openly disrespect those rules and threaten the one bastion of European football where things aren't totally run in the corporate interest. More Red Bulls means less safe standing, beer and cheap seats and more corporote boxes. Everyone suffers for it.

The Austrian branch is only top of their league because Rapid Wien have also imploded. When you exclude them they were ahead of the competition by 15, 14 and 26 points in the past three seasons. It's the equivalent to the Celtic board buying an English club, transferring the best players there, giving up hope of CL football, ending all serious investment and saying "But we're winning the league!" because Rangers are even worse and they haven't quite fallen behind Hearts of Midlothian yet.
 

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Welcome to the new world. Its a global game where teams that expect to compete at the top of their leagues need to maximize revenues via global marketing. Spurs are playing catch-up, and can't really afford to fall further behind teams in England in terms of their marketing presence. I would expect a North American "tour" at least every other season, and a few trips to Asia mixed in.

I am pretty sure I already saw a rumour of a post-season match in Asia ...
Does that new-world-order explain why pre-season tours are favoured over post-season tours? Wouldn't the marketing value be similar? Isn't the reality of modern football such that success in the league is even more important than ever? If so, why compromise it with long haul trips when you ought really be doing everything to get hit the ground running? I'm well aware of the realities of modern football, but I still don't see why they make pre-season tours preferable to post-season tours.
 

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Does that new-world-order explain why pre-season tours are favoured over post-season tours? Wouldn't the marketing value be similar? Isn't the reality of modern football such that success in the league is even more important than ever? If so, why compromise it with long haul trips when you ought really be doing everything to get hit the ground running? I'm well aware of the realities of modern football, but I still don't see why they make pre-season tours preferable to post-season tours.
I think there are probably two factors in play - first is the players are probably looking for a bit of a holiday after the season - away from football. Going on a multi-city Tour when you are ready to shut it down physically and mentally is probably not what the players want/need after the season. Second, is that a post-season tour is likely to be far less competitive than a pre-season tour. As above, players have shut it down for the season, and would go through the motions, but it would not be their best effort. In pre-season, you still have the primary goal of gaining fitness, but players would be playing harder, more competitively, as they ramp up for the season, and as they fight for spots in the starting line-up, or bench roles. As a supporter - I'd rather pay to see that match, than a post-season testimonial-type match.

I have not seen ticket prices for these matches - but I suspect they will be quite a bit higher than an average ticket to WHL. So, there is some expectation that the quality of football will be more than just going through the motions.
 
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How about the rest of the league? Fans of teams who've fought against the commercial and financial constraints for the good of the game, only to see a Champions League place taken away by an energy drinks firm who openly disrespect those rules and threaten the one bastion of European football where things aren't totally run in the corporate interest. More Red Bulls means less safe standing, beer and cheap seats and more corporote boxes. Everyone suffers for it.

The Austrian branch is only top of their league because Rapid Wien have also imploded. When you exclude them they were ahead of the competition by 15, 14 and 26 points in the past three seasons. It's the equivalent to the Celtic board buying an English club, transferring the best players there, giving up hope of CL football, ending all serious investment and saying "But we're winning the league!" because Rangers are even worse and they haven't quite fallen behind Hearts of Midlothian yet.
Bayern buys all the top players from other German clubs to keep a monopoly on the first division. I'd say that threatens German football more than an upstart club funded by money made by legitimate business.

All I'm saying is there's a lot wrong with football, but Red Bull investing in local teams that wouldn't have investment otherwise isn't one of them.