Spurs U21’s, U18’s and other youth news – 2015/16 Edition

[JonnySpurs]

I just need to come into this thread and have a little gush about Harry Winks. I am SUPER excited about this kid. I thought he was awesome all game last night and just the way he glides across the pitch is something to behold.

This is going to sound like a bold statement but I think he has the potential to be an english Luka Modric. His dribbling ability is very good but not so much in quickness, more so in smooth accuracy, much like a Modric or Dembele in how they skip away from players. His passing range is clearly already very good as well and only likely to improve. Obviously he has things to work on but we've already seen Poch pick him so I very much hope it's not long before he either goes out on loan to get some league games or is promoted into the 1st team.

Class act. Massive future ahead of him.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

That picture needs to be on put everyones fridge that has a young aspiring footballer in their household. Love that.

But Onomah didn't get 20 minutes against Bournemouth.

 

[Spursidol]

One to look out for,, I'll post any stream if I find one.

BTW Stream promised on Copa Chivas site


https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...n.com.mx/noticias/tag/copa-chivas&prev=search

 

[Greenspur]

I was thinking exactly the same thing tonight. I've just finished watching the game and before it started the line-ups they gave out was us playing a 433 and I thought "great" Lesniak and Winks playing either side of Walkes maybe with Miller and Townsend either side of Coulthirst. Good idea. Instead we went with that 4231 with Walkes in the 10. Amos played out of position as a FB again, at least this time on his right side I guess, and Georgiou at LB.

That said I thought this was actually the best performance I've seen from our U21's for a while (they may have played as well or better, just not in the games I've seen lately) certainly in terms of dominating the ball and trying to control the game and being competitive, not easy on a tough pitch against a quality side, and I thought Winks was outstanding most of the night, Lesniak was tenacious, neat and tidy, most others worked hard but we were well short of creative quality and intelligence.

I barely noticed Walkes was playing, why the fuck he's being played as a 10 is baffling, and I've yet to be as impressed with Miller as others, he's a busy little fucker but the times I've seen him he's been more industry than ingenuity. Amos is a good Cm but he's not a full back and neither he or Georgiou offered anything in an attacking sense. Townsend did pretty much what Townsend does most of the time, flattered to deceive, he got a couple of decent looking crosses into the box, but didn't actually create anything concrete for anyone. Took his chance well at the end though. Sonupe went on one really great run and with three players waiting for a cut back decided to shoot from an impossible angle, it was really poor decision making and the difference between our forwards and theirs. Sonupe then tried to make the the same move round the outside about four more times and failed every time.

We gave away some daft goals, but were really unlucky to lose that match on the balance of play, they just looked that bit more dangerous than us whenever they got forward, part of that was inevitable as they were invariably catching us on the break and they have decent players and we had a CM at RB and a winger at LB.

I thought the first subs were straight out of the Pochettino wacky play book and seemed to leave us with Winks completely on his own in midfield ? Can anyone explain to me who was meant to playing in there with him ? I would have had Walkes off and Goddard on then Miller off for Sonupe maybe ?

I thought Veljkovic and CCV were stretched and exposed at times but apart from the odd occasion coped pretty well and Velkovic played a lovely ball for Coulthirst's second goal.

The commentators seemed to love Townsend, though. It's amazing how, once hype gets started, it seems to blind people.

I had previously an impression that Glover was very good. I thought he was very weak yesterday. What do you think?

 

[Spursidol]

The commentators seemed to love Townsend, though. It's amazing how, once hype gets started, it seems to blind people.

I had previously an impression that Glover was very good. I thought he was very weak yesterday. What do you think?

Glover's worst showing for a long time - he's turned 18 last month so is young for Spurs u21's and indeed for the Australian u20's where he debuted aged 16.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Agreed

The following all need first team football / loans
CCV
Milos
Winks
Shaq (if Harrison was fit) for his own career
pos miler ( really rate miller).
pos Harrison

to be honest most of them really need loans to further there careers loans are trickey they can be the making of a player or it can go the other way we really need a couple of feed clubs with poor youth systems where they would be greatful for our players.

What's the deal with him? Over the last couple of years or so, I've seen nothing but positive reports about him on here . Then earlier today I was watching our U21 game from last night, and they repeatedly stated how highly he was regarded by everyone at the club, but has rejected our offer of a contract & is likely to go at the end of the season.

None of it appears to add up. Are we not giving him the opportunities he deserves? Or is there a slight attitude problem & he thinks he deserves more than the club is giving or offering him, both in wages & playing time?

 

[Doomchicken]

What's the deal with him? Over the last couple of years or so, I've seen nothing but positive reports about him on here . Then earlier today I was watching our U21 game from last night, and they repeatedly stated how highly he was regarded by everyone at the club, but has rejected our offer of a contract & is likely to go at the end of the season.

None of it appears to add up. Are we not giving him the opportunities he deserves? Or is there a slight attitude problem & he thinks he deserves more than the club is giving or offering him, both in wages & playing time?

The latest rumour is that he's been offered a contract, and a loan to Brentford if he accepts. He isn't accepting, because he thinks he deserves chances for the first team - a view many on here agree with.

 

[newbie]

The latest rumour is that he's been offered a contract, and a loan to Brentford if he accepts. He isn't accepting, because he thinks he deserves chances for the first team - a view many on here agree with.

First team is going to be hard to break in to though, we have so many good players, I think he needs a good loan first.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

The latest rumour is that he's been offered a contract, and a loan to Brentford if he accepts. He isn't accepting, because he thinks he deserves chances for the first team - a view many on here agree with.

Thank you .. I know he's spoken of very highly on here, but is he really in any position to say he deserves more/some first team action?

 

[Hercules]

Milos is not ahead of the youngsters in the first team. He is not good enough for CH, and slightly slow for CDM. I watched him couple times when he was at Boro, and have to be very honest that I was not impressed.

 

[Doomchicken]

Thank you .. I know he's spoken of very highly on here, but is he really in any position to say he deserves more/some first team action?

I'm not too sure. He's definitely very talented, and has been a quality performer for our U21s for a long time. He's done alright on Championship loans. I just don't think he fits the mould for a Poch CDM, and isn't good enough to be a senior CB.

 

[spurs9]

Just a thought, but you could argue that the % of the players fighting for a 1st team spot in the below positions are academy players.

GK - 0%
CB - 0%
FB - 25%
CM - 50%
AM - 37.5%
CF - 100%

That is excellent in the modern game for where we are challenging.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I'm not too sure. He's definitely very talented, and has been a quality performer for our U21s for a long time. He's done alright on Championship loans. I just don't think he fits the mould for a Poch CDM, and isn't good enough to be a senior CB.

Again, thank you .. Seems unfair of me to say (as I obviously know so little about him) but he seems to have ideas above his station.

We have so many other excellent young players, so it seems a shame that this young lad appears to believe he has some sort of entitlement to play 1st team footy, whilst everyone else appears to be knuckling down & just trying to improve and work their way into Poch's plans.

Let's face it, it's not as though Poch hasn't proven he'll give the kids a game if they deserve it, which makes young Veljkovic's actions/words seem even more bizarre to me

 

[spursfan77]

Milos is not ahead of the youngsters in the first team. He is not good enough for CH, and slightly slow for CDM. I watched him couple times when he was at Boro, and have to be very honest that I was not impressed.

He doesn't seemed to have a transfer lined up yet. Unless he's signed that contract of course.

 

[spurs9]

Again, thank you .. Seems unfair of me to say (as I obviously know so little about him) but he seems to have ideas above his station.

We have so many other excellent young players, so it seems a shame that this young lad appears to believe he has some sort of entitlement to play 1st team footy, whilst everyone else appears to be knuckling down & just trying to improve and work their way into Poch's plans.

Let's face it, it's not as though Poch hasn't proven he'll give the kids a game if they deserve it, which makes young Veljkovic's actions/words seem even more bizarre to me

Milos is not ahead of the youngsters in the first team. He is not good enough for CH, and slightly slow for CDM. I watched him couple times when he was at Boro, and have to be very honest that I was not impressed.

I would be quite happy if we sold Fazio and had Veljkovic or CCV as 4th choice CB.

 

[IGSpur]

Again, thank you .. Seems unfair of me to say (as I obviously know so little about him) but he seems to have ideas above his station.

We have so many other excellent young players, so it seems a shame that this young lad appears to believe he has some sort of entitlement to play 1st team footy, whilst everyone else appears to be knuckling down & just trying to improve and work their way into Poch's plans.

Let's face it, it's not as though Poch hasn't proven he'll give the kids a game if they deserve it, which makes young Veljkovic's actions/words seem even more bizarre to me

He is definitely good enough to play first team football for us in the EL at least in either CB or DM. Apparently Poch wants to play him too. Contract situation, I think, is part him not believing Poch will play him if he signs and so he wants more money than we are currently offering if he is to sign.Possibly because he has seen his contemporaries progress, while he has stagnated, despite my belief that before any of them got their chance in the first team, I would argue he was the best of them, relative to their position.

 

[spurs9]

He doesn't seemed to have a transfer lined up yet. Unless he's signed that contract of course.

A few people think he has already verbally agreed a club, which suggests 1 of 2 things to me, either he has verabl agree dto another club in England, or he doesn't want to limited his game tome with out U21s, so won't officially sign for the other team until the end of the season.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I would be quite happy if we sold Fazio and had Veljkovic or CCV as 4th choice CB.

Surely that makes absolute sense? Then again, would that provide him with the 1st team opportunities that he clearly seems to believe he should be getting?

He is definitely good enough to play first team football for us in the EL at least in either CB or DM. Apparently Poch wants to play him too. Contract situation, I think, is part him not believing Poch will play him if he signs and partly that he wants more money than we are currently offering if he is to sign, possibly because he has seen his contemporaries progress while he has stagnated despite my belief that before any of them got their chance in the first team I would argue he was the best of them, relative to their position.

Thank you for that detailed post .. Reading between the lines, it sounds like a simple matter or him, Poch & Levy sitting down and having a grown up conversation about what each of them would like?

 

[spurs9]

Surely that makes absolute sense? Then again, would that provide him with the 1st team opportunities that he clearly seems to believe he should be getting?

It depends what he is looking for. I would have no problem witht him starting in the EL or cups, but if it isn't enough game time, I would be happy to send him on loan and promote CCV to 4th choice. That is assuming he signs a new contract.

The problem we have at CB is that Verts and Toby are so good together, that we don't want to split them up, so it's hard to see Wimmer getting enough game time let alone 4th choice.

 

[yankspurs]

Semi relevent: Yesterdays u21 game did 36k viewers in the US on NBCSN. No word on online streaming viewers as of yet. But 36k on a monday afternoon for a U21 game is impressive, especially considering the only advertisement it got was in the form of a tweet.

These academy players play in front of less than 1000 in the UK. Had a viewership on TV of 36k in another country at a poor time. Good for them.