Spurs U21’s, U18’s and other youth news – 2015/16 Edition

[IGSpur]

Not all have been bad this year two players who have done well for me this year is Jaden Brown and the ever consistent Tsaroulla. Marsh overall has done well he had a bad dip in form in the middle of the season but he has finished the season very strong.i would like to know from others has Edwards improved this year?

I and I think @beats1 was referring specifically to our u21s. Though I agree with what you have said. I was going to do a write up end of season but agree all of our LBs have performed really well this season, with Muscatt probably being the 3rd best 2nd year this season.

I think Edwards has improved. I think his team ethic has improved and his work rate compared to the start of the season. At teh start of the season he never seemed to dominate or really turn up for the lesser clubs maybe as he thought he was too good, though he still stood out. He would turn it on against Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham and for England. Whenever he thought there was a crowd. And it led to what looked like inconsistency or people doubting his ability. 2nd half of the season he has been playing brilliantly and standing out in most of the matches and impressing people which has followed him into the u21s. Also his pressing and work rate has improved, his tackling is still Eriksenesque, I think someone made that comparison earlier, which I'd agree with. In that he'd close down and hassle but not go in whole-heartedly. He also will chase and harangue his opponents more and wouldn't give up as easily, which overall consider improvements, in his attitude, whihc he needs if he is ever going to play for Poch

 

[edson]

play for Poch[/QUOTE]

i don't think marsh had a dip in form, he just got injured didn't he? edwards has improved i think, first half of the season he wasn't massively effecting games but since the turn of the year he's been killing it, physically he's gotten quite a bit bigger too which was important.

Marsh had a dip around November after Fulham away he ended up on the bench but he has done well since.Agree Edwards has improved but the main thing to me is he looks happy playing his football.

 

[BC11]

For me the standouts for the U18s this season have been Marsh, Tanganga, Shashoua & Edwards. Brown, Whiteman & Tsaroulla have had solid seasons too.

Disappointments have been Bennetts, Owens and Stylianides, Sterling (in the second half of the season) and Maghoma who, as IGSpur said, seems to have regressed.

 

[spursfan77]

The issue who has improved, honestly speaking how many players have genuinely got better over the last year or imo at least be where they should I cant name many to be honest. There have been some worrying ones imo who have potential to be great that havent improved a great deal other than being a year older and learning a tiny bit

When you compare this class to the ones before it and these players are way off the pace at the moment

That U18 group of Winks, Onomah, Oduwa, KWP, Harrison and etc were very talented but imo the one that has improved in the last year has been the one furthest away from the club in Grant Ward. Who pretty much behind everyone in the pecking order.

Not every year is going to be talented but this group 2/3 years ago looked very strong and they have fell off.

Sonupe imo definitely should be able to become a league player, he has the skill set to do so. Fast inside forward will always do well

Probably because they haven't been properly loaned out. The club really has taken the eye off the ball in terms of loaning players out. CCV, winks, onomah and kwp should have gone out on loan this season at some point if even for only a few months.

 

[WindyCOYS]

Onomah got some time but, IMO, not enough and not always in his best role. I really hope Poch has the courage to play him instead of Alli now he's banned, but I reckon we'll see Son and Chadli.

Alli's been mostly playing from the left - I'd rather Onomah not be stuck out on the left, personally - makes more sense to play Son or Chadli as they are used to playing there. But if Leicester confirm the title this weekend, I'd like to see Onomah get decent minutes in the middle of midfield in our remaining games.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Alli's been mostly playing from the left - I'd rather Onomah not be stuck out on the left, personally - makes more sense to play Son or Chadli as they are used to playing there. But if Leicester confirm the title this weekend, I'd like to see Onomah get decent minutes in the middle of midfield in our remaining games.

I would love to see Onomah played in a CM3, but with Alli the one missing (who I think would also be much better in a CM3 of a 433) I can't see Onomah being played anywhere but in the AM3 of Poch's 4231. If that's the case he could at least play him in the ACM with Eriksen left and Lamela right (with all of them interchanging as they do anyway) but with Onomah being told to drop deeper and help the CM's very much like Eriksen does at the moment.

 

[edson]

For me the standouts for the U18s this season have been Marsh, Tanganga, Shashoua & Edwards. Brown, Whiteman & Tsaroulla have had solid seasons too.

Disappointments have been Bennetts, Owens and Stylianides, Sterling (in the second half of the season) and Maghoma who, as IGSpur said, seems to have regressed.

I am still holding out for Owens but I understand why he is on your list,I would add Loft to your list him and Sterling have been disappointing this season and i think potentially Griffiths might be better than the both of them.

 

[spurs9]

Alli's been mostly playing from the left - I'd rather Onomah not be stuck out on the left, personally - makes more sense to play Son or Chadli as they are used to playing there. But if Leicester confirm the title this weekend, I'd like to see Onomah get decent minutes in the middle of midfield in our remaining games.

Even if Leicester win at the weekend, we still need 5 points from our last 3 games to cement 2nd place. If we win out next 2, the I would like to see Onomah (or Winks) play in the CM2 with Dier for the last game.

 

[Sweech]

Even if Leicester win at the weekend, we still need 5 points from our last 3 games to cement 2nd place. If we win out next 2, the I would like to see Onomah (or Winks) play in the CM2 with Dier for the last game.

Considering our goal differential it's more like 4 points.

 

[spurs9]

Considering our goal differential it's more like 4 points.

City are only 7 goals behind us and they can make that up in 3 games.

 

[Sweech]

City are only 7 goals behind us and they can make that up in 3 games.

If we get the minimum 1 win for 4 points our GD goes up by default. Also expecting City to just run around smashing teams (Southampton, Arsenal, Swansea) while they're thinking about CL doesn't sound realistic to me.

A seven goal differential is a lot to make up in 3 games while the opposition can also increase theirs.

 

[Trix]

Interesting, genuinely mean that. how does that work. When we are interested in a player do we ask permission to see them training ?

I can't imagine that is terribly common is it? How many clubs would be happy to have other teams oversee their training methods etc (especially rivals or reluctant sellers).

Can you give us s hypothetical scenario trix?


Re Smith. As he was moving through our development teams he was a constantly good performer, he was getting capped at all levels, (he was England's best player in the U19 championship when England were atrocious) and was getting MOTM awards playing in a very decent England U21team. Of course he still had learning to do. But we then bought not just Walker but Naughton too. Now his pathway was completely blocked, his career ended up stalling, he had to move and then fight his way into Bournemouth's side, but he's done that and just helped them have a very decent first season in the EPL, his first in the EPL, and IMO no coincidence that their best spell came when he found his way into the side and they have dropped off since he's been out (not all him of course but I definitely think good, consistent FB's play a vital role - look at Everton). My point is where could he be now if we hadn't bought Naughton (clearly not a world beater) as well as Walker. We've had some horrendous seasons of Walker as well, he's hardly been perfect. If we'd kept Smith, promoted him gradually, even as back up to Walker, do you not think he could have ended up better than Trippier - you diagree but I don't think there's much in it now.

Was Chiriches any more ready for the Prem ? Seriously ?

Well of course when teams are not looking to sell players, then of course they won't let you watch their players train. There are plenty of occasions though where a club needs to sell and wants to create more interest, so the agent will put the word about and invite known interested scouts/coaches/managers to watch their player in training. Never heard of it happening over here but I'm sure it does to alesser degree. Then you have internationals aswell. Not naming names but one of our younger lads was watched numerous times training at international level, very much with the backing of his NT coach, because he thought it wohld benefit both the player and his country. Another one was watched numerous times by our former TD as a guest of his agent.

Sorry for the late reply mate.

 

[spurs9]

If we get the minimum 1 win for 4 points our GD goes up by default. Also expecting City to just run around smashing teams (Southampton, Arsenal, Swansea) while they're thinking about CL doesn't sound realistic to me.

A seven goal differential is a lot to make up in 3 games while the opposition can also increase theirs.

They have scored 7 on their last 2 games and if Aguero is on form, I wouldn't put it it past them, they also only need to smash Swansea by 4 (who conceded 3 v Newcastle and 4 v Leicester in their last 2 games) then beat Southampton by 2 and Arsenal by 1. Also if we only get 4 points, it means we also would have lost 1, so there is no guarantee our GD improves in that scenario and could in fact decrease.

 

[Sweech]

They have scored 7 on their last 2 games and if Aguero is on form, I wouldn't put it it past them, they also only need to smash Swansea by 4 (who conceded 3 v Newcastle and 4 v Leicester in their last 2 games) then beat Southampton by 2 and Arsenal by 1. Also if we only get 4 points, it means we also would have lost 1, so there is no guarantee our GD improves in that scenario and could in fact decrease.

Well so far all our losses only decrease it by 1.

Either way if you think we will finish with a worse GD than them, that's on you. I can't be bothered.

 

[spurs9]

Well so far all our losses only decrease it by 1.

Either way if you think we will finish with a worse GD than them, that's on you. I can't be bothered.

FFS, I didn't say that I think we will have a worse GD than City, just pointing out it is plausible.

 

[Sweech]

FFS, I didn't say that I think we will have a worse GD than City, just pointing out it is plausible.

If you say we need five than that's what you think. Otherwise it would be four, as I've said.

 

[IGSpur]

Can't remember exactly when it was but Cheyce Grant went to the u18s training camp in Belgium a couple of months back. May be an indication that he could get a scholarship next year

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Well of course when teams are not looking to sell players, then of course they won't let you watch their players train. There are plenty of occasions though where a club needs to sell and wants to create more interest, so the agent will put the word about and invite known interested scouts/coaches/managers to watch their player in training. Never heard of it happening over here but I'm sure it does to alesser degree. Then you have internationals aswell. Not naming names but one of our younger lads was watched numerous times training at international level, very much with the backing of his NT coach, because he thought it wohld benefit both the player and his country. Another one was watched numerous times by our former TD as a guest of his agent.

Sorry for the late reply mate.

Cheers for the reply, but that doesn't really sound like it's happening a lot. As you say, not in England. I doubt if many top flight European either. I doubt many top flight clubs are letting agents near their training ground routinely or inviting prospective buyers to their training grounds either are they ? Even if they are willing sellers I would imagine it's not exactly a great idea, not only from a "other teams seeing you train" perspective, but it could also be counter productive if the player isn't actually a good "trainer" (cough Adebayor) and even then, how much are you going to learn from seeing a player train once maybe twice, especially if he knows he is being watched (because his agent has told him he's got someone along who's looking to buy him etc).

What is the attitude generally from clubs about having individual players agents attend training sessions for their client player - not just when selling but in general ? I can't imagine major clubs allow agents onto the training ground do they normally ?

 

[Spursidol]

Spurs u18's away at Arsenal @ 11 am on Saturday in the last league match of the season.

In May we have the NextGen tournament in Amsterdam and Terbourg tournament to look forward to.

 

[Twizzle]

Even if Leicester win at the weekend, we still need 5 points from our last 3 games to cement 2nd place. If we win out next 2, the I would like to see Onomah (or Winks) play in the CM2 with Dier for the last game.

I think we'll see plenty of them against the likes of Juve, AM et al when they play in Australia again, post Premier League.

Good chance for Poch to see how they measure up to UCL teams