Spurs U21’s, U18’s and other youth news – 2015/16 Edition

[WindyCOYS]

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/under-21s/match/report/spurs-ebbsfleet-u21s-friendly-260416/

Pritchard with two, Oteh the other.

Spurs (first half): Glover, Walker-Peters, Bennetts, Owens, Maghoma, Walkes, Edwards, Stylianides, Sterling, Tracey, J Pritchard.

Spurs (second half): McDermott, Walker-Peters (J Pritchard 65), Muscatt, Marsh, Mukena, Walkes, Duncan, Goddard, Oteh, Roles, Oduwa.

 

[Lilbaz]

Wasn't it originally just to circumvent FFP. they bought loads of youngsters in to sell on for profit in the future. They had no intention of brining them through as their own players. They were just being used to make the club money. But now FFP has gone they're lumbered with the players and now have to make a choice as to whether they might actually need them themselves.

Ffp hasn't gone anywhere. Just ask Galatasaray.

 

[Sweech]

Ffp hasn't gone anywhere. Just ask Galatasaray.

Hasn't gone, but is totally ignored by proper rich clubs like City and PSG. There's no way what they do is correct, but the worst that happens is they get called up for a fine.

 

[Spursidol]

Hasn't gone, but is totally ignored by proper rich clubs like City and PSG. There's no way what they do is correct, but the worst that happens is they get called up for a fine.

At some time I'm hoping that one of the clubs who have driven a coach and horses through FFP, dressed up as an 'independent' deal eg The Abu Dhabi tourist agency rather than the Abu Dhabi ruler/Mancity owner or whatever it is, gets picked up on something and is banned from CL for a year.

 

[Sweech]

At some time I'm hoping that one of the clubs who have driven a coach and horses through FFP, dressed up as an 'independent' deal eg The Abu Dhabi tourist agency rather than the Abu Dhabi ruler/Mancity owner or whatever it is, gets picked up on something and is banned from CL for a year.

I'd love to see it happen, but from everything I hear FFP is weakening instead of strengthening and is much happier giving transfer bans to Championship sides rather than a top club.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy 7m7 minutes ago
I'm told Tottenham have not renewed Emmanuel Sonupe's contract. He will leave the club at the end of this season.

 

[Sweech]

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy 7m7 minutes ago
I'm told Tottenham have not renewed Emmanuel Sonupe's contract. He will leave the club at the end of this season.

1 down, maybe a couple more to go.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I can't say that's a huge surprise.

 

[IGSpur]

1 down, maybe a couple more to go.

Hopefully

 

[beats1]

Good luck to sonupe, he simply didnt progress as he should have and some strange decisions in regards to his development. Sending him to SPL and Oduwa down to League 2 was definitely weird. Especially given both players skillsets

 

[WindyCOYS]

Sonupe's on trial at QPR - personally don't think he stands much chance of getting a deal there.

 

[IGSpur]

Good luck to sonupe, he simply didnt progress as he should have and some strange decisions in regards to his development. Sending him to SPL and Oduwa down to League 2 was definitely weird. Especially given both players skillsets

Always seemed a really pleasant guy too. Could beat a man was quick buy his final ball hasn't improved an iota. One of the ones that had to go

 

[beats1]

Always seemed a really pleasant guy too. Could beat a man was quick buy his final ball hasn't improved an iota. One of the ones that had to go

The issue who has improved, honestly speaking how many players have genuinely got better over the last year or imo at least be where they should I cant name many to be honest. There have been some worrying ones imo who have potential to be great that havent improved a great deal other than being a year older and learning a tiny bit

When you compare this class to the ones before it and these players are way off the pace at the moment

That U18 group of Winks, Onomah, Oduwa, KWP, Harrison and etc were very talented but imo the one that has improved in the last year has been the one furthest away from the club in Grant Ward. Who pretty much was behind everyone in the pecking order.

Not every year is going to be talented but this group 2/3 years ago looked very strong and they have fell off.

Sonupe imo definitely should be able to become a league player, he has the skill set to do so. Fast inside forward will always do well

 

[Spursidol]

1 down, maybe a couple more to go.

I'd actually hope that another 4 - 6 or so rather than a couple, as that's the sort of number of players in that squad that I can't see playing at a top level at the moment.

Also the development squad will be too big to give the younger players any minutes if half a dozen don't leave.

 

[Sweech]

I'd actually hope that another 4 - 6 or so rather than a couple, as that's the sort of number of players in that squad that I can't see playing at a top level at the moment.

Also the development squad will be too big to give the younger players any minutes if half a dozen don't leave.

I do too, but I didn't want to sound like a dick. I could probably list 10 that I wouldn't be at all upset if they went, but I'm also a harsh critic.

 

[IGSpur]

I do too, but I didn't want to sound like a dick. I could probably list 10 that I wouldn't be at all upset if they went, but I'm also a harsh critic.

Go ahead mate, we're used to it

 

[IGSpur]

The issue who has improved, honestly speaking how many players have genuinely got better over the last year or imo at least be where they should I cant name many to be honest. There have been some worrying ones imo who have potential to be great that havent improved a great deal other than being a year older and learning a tiny bit

When you compare this class to the ones before it and these players are way off the pace at the moment

That U18 group of Winks, Onomah, Oduwa, KWP, Harrison and etc were very talented but imo the one that has improved in the last year has been the one furthest away from the club in Grant Ward. Who pretty much behind everyone in the pecking order.

Not every year is going to be talented but this group 2/3 years ago looked very strong and they have fell off.

Sonupe imo definitely should be able to become a league player, he has the skill set to do so. Fast inside forward will always do well

I was speaking specificaly ont he fact that Sonupe hasn't improved his final ball since he was at u18s.

I see what you mean regarding the others. Hard to say if Onomah has improved but I'd say he has received more chances than I thought he would this season and I think eh could have gotten more but it would no doubt have improved him somewhat. I think KWP has improved and Harrison probably. Winks it's hard to say as we don't see him play. Oduwa seems to have his confidence knockced but I think that it is hard to identify whether any have improved significantly which is frustrating, probably include CCV in there too.

While a number who were 2nd tier have regressed, like Amos and Maghoma. Amos was borderline England squad for a quality age group and is now nowhere near, and Maghoma was playing u18s at 15, got u21s games at 16/17 and is now back in the u18s and doesn't even look the best defender sometimes after even going on loan which is sad. Of course the other make up players haven't improved either, none have put themselves into the back of being considered for the first team, so has been frustrating. Still sad for Miller, who is now being converted into a striker for some reason

 

[edson]

I was speaking specificaly ont he fact that Sonupe hasn't improved his final ball since he was at u18s.

I see what you mean regarding the others. Hard to say if Onomah has improved but I'd say he has received more chances than I thought he would this season and I think eh could have gotten more but it would no doubt have improved him somewhat. I think KWP has improved and Harrison probably. Winks it's hard to say as we don't see him play. Oduwa seems to have his confidence knockced but I think that it is hard to identify whether any have improved significantly which is frustrating, probably include CCV in there too.

While a number who were 2nd tier have regressed, like Amos and Maghoma. Amos was borderline England squad for a quality age group and is now nowhere near, and Maghoma was playing u18s at 15, got u21s games at 16/17 and is now back in the u18s and doesn't even look the best defender sometimes after even going on loan which is sad. Of course the other make up players haven't improved either, none have put themselves into the back of being considered for the first team, so has been frustrating. Still sad for Miller, who is now being converted into a striker for some reason

Not all have been bad this year two players who have done well for me this year is Jaden Brown and the ever consistent Tsaroulla. Marsh overall has done well he had a bad dip in form in the middle of the season but he has finished the season very strong.i would like to know from others has Edwards improved this year?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The issue who has improved, honestly speaking how many players have genuinely got better over the last year or imo at least be where they should I cant name many to be honest. There have been some worrying ones imo who have potential to be great that havent improved a great deal other than being a year older and learning a tiny bit

When you compare this class to the ones before it and these players are way off the pace at the moment

That U18 group of Winks, Onomah, Oduwa, KWP, Harrison and etc were very talented but imo the one that has improved in the last year has been the one furthest away from the club in Grant Ward. Who pretty much behind everyone in the pecking order.

Not every year is going to be talented but this group 2/3 years ago looked very strong and they have fell off.

Sonupe imo definitely should be able to become a league player, he has the skill set to do so. Fast inside forward will always do well

This ties in with what we were discussing this week. Winks, Onomah, Oduwa & KWP all needed to be playing some "proper" football this season IMO. Oduwa got some and I'm not really sure what went wrong with both his loans, he's a bit of a maverick and a player like him is always going to be hard to place, managers don't like mavericks. After his first few appearances for Rangers I actually thought he was doing well, he wasn't just a show pony, he made sensible decisions too, and was getting kicked to fuck every game. Probably didn't help himself with that outrageous debut where he took the piss a few times, from then he was marked man. The boys got talent but needs the right environment - I'd have happily seen him on our bench a few times (cups etc) and thrown on to have a go at tired legs in some games.

Onomah got some time but, IMO, not enough and not always in his best role. I really hope Poch has the courage to play him instead of Alli now he's banned, but I reckon we'll see Son and Chadli. He needs a clever loan next season if we are going to keep playing 4231 and people like Son, Njie and Pritchard are going to be around. I'd love to find him a team that play 433 (be it in England or abroad even). Swansea would be a decent shout maybe as we have existing relationship with them after Carroll maybe ?

Again, if we are going toy play 4231 and we are retaining Mason, I think Winks is going to have to go on loan. Possibly easier to home than Onomah, but a Championship club maybe, or even someone like Bournemouth?

For me KWP should be our back up RB next year. If not he's got to get a decent loan and start playing senior football.

Harrison's missed a lot of football it seems to me this season, but should be in the first team squad next year IMO. Even if we sign another striker, as third choice striker.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Not all have been bad this year two players who have done well for me this year is Jaden Brown and the ever consistent Tsaroulla. Marsh overall has done well he had a bad dip in form in the middle of the season but he has finished the season very strong.i would like to know from others has Edwards improved this year?

i don't think marsh had a dip in form, he just got injured didn't he? edwards has improved i think, first half of the season he wasn't massively effecting games but since the turn of the year he's been killing it, physically he's gotten quite a bit bigger too which was important.