Spurs U21’s, U18’s and other youth news – 2015/16 Edition

[IGSpur]

I think its unlikely that we would loan out 2nd year scholars - I also understand that its generally not club policy to loan out first year professionals. I think its important that they are given time to understand the club and its doctrine.

As for bringing the younger generation through its difficult I think currently we just about have it right they get introduced towards the end of the season . This season might be difficult though as we had an unusually high 1st year intake.

Letting older players go I think it would have been harsh on the likes Walkes and Goddard to have been released without an opportunity to prove themselves and the onus really is on the younger players to oust the older players and that's how it should be iimo

I think though the intakes will remain high for the next couple of years, due to the talent and that was my point. I wasn't criticisng the fact we aren't promoting the players I was more comparing us to other clubs and noting it will be harder for us to do it compared to other clubs. The positives as you say may be greater competition will create better players, but a down side may be our more talented players maybe getting picked off easier if we don't give them routes. I doubt that would happen was just bringing it up as a point of discussion. .

I agree that it is harsh to release players who may have not got a proper chance but if we ever did have the problem mentioned above it may have to be an option. What I also think is impressive is that unlike say a Liverpool due to our production we don't have to bring many or any players in from abroad or other academies like you say which means having more players that understand our doctine.

 

[beats1]

I think its unlikely that we would loan out 2nd year scholars - I also understand that its generally not club policy to loan out first year professionals. I think its important that they are given time to understand the club and its doctrine.

As for bringing the younger generation through its difficult I think currently we just about have it right they get introduced towards the end of the season . This season might be difficult though as we had an unusually high 1st year intake.

Letting older players go I think it would have been harsh on the likes Walkes and Goddard to have been released without an opportunity to prove themselves and the onus really is on the younger players to oust the older players and that's how it should be iimo

Worth noting that Mason, Townsend, Kane, Rose and caulker were academy players before going out on loan to league 1 and impressing!

 

[IGSpur]

Apologies that is our I read it - I guess though perhaps in exceptional circumstances it could happen maybe Azzoui could be loaned later in the season

I guess if there is any truth in the Roda rumours then that could be a direct route and open up possibilities and perhaps we could use it for World signings

Wasn't Caulker loaned out at 17/18? Roda could be used for our more nimble smaller players to go on loan

 

[IGSpur]

Highlights finally our of our match against City. Really like Azzaoui's determination and aggression to get his goal. And the way Harrison and Azzaoui celebrated after the first goal as they knew it was their pressing that caused the turnover for the first goal.

Some nice pieces of play in the highlights, Walkes as @mancman said looked good down the left

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spu...e/barclays-u21-pl--manchester-city-3-3-spurs/

 

[beats1]

Wasn't Caulker loaned out at 17/18? Roda could be used for our more nimble smaller players to go on loan

Caulker - 17 - went to yeovil for the season player of the year that season, joined by Mason and Obika
Kane - 17 - went to leyton and got 5 goals in 18 goals which was mostly sub appearances, Joined Mpoku and carroll
Townsend - 17 - went to yeovil, joined with Obika

We have done it in the past but we have also sent a couple of players at the same time. However we regularly send out the 3rd years and 1st year pros (18yo's)

Only recently have we stopped doing that. However in the U21's these players should be loaned out;
Sonupe
Miller
Voss or McGee
Lesniak
Walkes or Walker-Peters(either of these two would of benefited from a SC loan to rangers imo)
McEvoy

By december imo we should be looking at assessing Amos, Harrison, Georgiou and Goddard and see if they are ready for loan. Pritchard and one of walker Peters/walkes are the only ones who shouldn't be going anywhere.

Players like CCV, Maghoma and Azzoui aren't academy players imo and are at the level where they can't be playing U18 unless it is for the FA youth cup

The club will have to decide whether they want to make a statement of intent and try win the FA youth cup or loan these players out. However if they win it and clubs see the likes of Kane, winks, Onomah, Mason and etc. in our first team, there will clubs fighting to loan these players imo

 

[Lilbaz]

We will loan out a few of our u21's in the winter. We will then have some u18's move up to the u21's. We will then have the u16's move up to take thiers etc...

That's what i meant not loaning out u16's.

Also some of the boys will have exams coming up next summer so they get shifted around again.

 

[IGSpur]

We will loan out a few of our u21's in the winter. We will then have some u18's move up to the u21's. We will then have the u16's move up to take thiers etc...

That's what i meant not loaning out u16's.

What I'm saying though is I don't know how many u16s will be able to get promoted as we have such a large first year intake compared to last year. Luckily though we only have 2 CMs in this first year intake, neither have been able to play there however as Owens and Stylianides are. So we require the CMs at u21s going on loan for them to move up to give the current first year CMs a chance, and then to maybe give our highly rated CMs at u16s a chance later in the season.

We really could do with getting Miller out on loan(thought he is injured) to further his development, and definitely Lesniak as I don't see a future for him here with us. Leaving us with Pritchard, Goddard and Amos to be our main CMs. To create space for everyone to move up

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Caulker - 17 - went to yeovil for the season player of the year that season, joined by Mason and Obika
Kane - 17 - went to leyton and got 5 goals in 18 goals which was mostly sub appearances, Joined Mpoku and carroll
Townsend - 17 - went to yeovil, joined with Obika

We have done it in the past but we have also sent a couple of players at the same time. However we regularly send out the 3rd years and 1st year pros (18yo's)

I generally feel now that we have a much more cohesive policy than we did previously in terms of player development and loans, though each individual is treated on merit and what merits their own personal development.

I also think that the type of loans for each individual varies greatly. I know that at Spurs its very much aimed towards their football development and concentrates on developing the skills required for a premier league footballer. This doesn't always mean the loan is about tearing up the lower leagues its also about the lads development away from the relative security of being at Spurs learning the hardships of football and perhaps in some cases growing up
I know that some Spurs academy players have in the past struggled with loans as we develop players to learn the skills ethic whilst other clubs will work on physicality and strength and as result some players have found it difficult to adjust and meet other clubs expectations - this is something that has been reviewed and hence the look to develop relationships with other clubs.

As a prelude to this I was talking to a third division manager a while back and he was looking to fill a role in the team, one of the players being considered was a Spurs trainee due for release - his opinion is that signing someone from Spurs though they had the pedigree and undoubted skillset was that its not neccesarily what he needs in his side to avoid relegation and he ended up signing a player from a non league club who had previous 3rd division experience. He reckoned that it takes the youngsters a good while to adjust to more direct and physical football and they just don't have time to take that risk

 

[Spursidol]

jack roles‏@JRoles8 17m17 minutes ago
#GameDay Vs Maccedonia

#BlueAndWhite #Cyprus

Jack Roles elected to play for Cyprus - think this is his first game

 

[newbie]

Caulker - 17 - went to yeovil for the season player of the year that season, joined by Mason and Obika
Kane - 17 - went to leyton and got 5 goals in 18 goals which was mostly sub appearances, Joined Mpoku and carroll
Townsend - 17 - went to yeovil, joined with Obika

We have done it in the past but we have also sent a couple of players at the same time. However we regularly send out the 3rd years and 1st year pros (18yo's)

Only recently have we stopped doing that. However in the U21's these players should be loaned out;
Sonupe
Miller
Voss or McGee
Lesniak
Walkes or Walker-Peters(either of these two would of benefited from a SC loan to rangers imo)
McEvoy

By december imo we should be looking at assessing Amos, Harrison, Georgiou and Goddard and see if they are ready for loan. Pritchard and one of walker Peters/walkes are the only ones who shouldn't be going anywhere.

Players like CCV, Maghoma and Azzoui aren't academy players imo and are at the level where they can't be playing U18 unless it is for the FA youth cup

The club will have to decide whether they want to make a statement of intent and try win the FA youth cup or loan these players out. However if they win it and clubs see the likes of Kane, winks, Onomah, Mason and etc. in our first team, there will clubs fighting to loan these players imo

McGee is our third keeps bit risky

 

[Lilbaz]

jack roles‏@JRoles8 17m17 minutes ago
#GameDay Vs Maccedonia

#BlueAndWhite #Cyprus

Jack Roles elected to play for Cyprus - think this is his first game

Was he born in Cyprus? Thought he was English/Cyp (partly due to his name). Good luck to him but if he had a chance to play for England (which so far it looks like he has a chance) I'd have taken it.

 

[Spursidol]

Was he born in Cyprus? Thought he was English/Cyp (partly due to his name). Good luck to him but if he had a chance to play for England (which so far it looks like he has a chance) I'd have taken it.

no idea where he was born, but he's elected for Cyprus atm (maybe family or just beach life when called up).

But he can change at any time before he plays for the National Team - ie even after he's played u21 football for a country, so plenty of time to make a final decision.

 

[wlhatwhl]

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/u20-barnet-friendly-180815/

Very young Spurs XI suffer 4 - 2 defeat to Barnet U-20s team.

 

[IGSpur]

Was he born in Cyprus? Thought he was English/Cyp (partly due to his name). Good luck to him but if he had a chance to play for England (which so far it looks like he has a chance) I'd have taken it.

By elected, I don't think he's been offered the chance to play for England and chosen Cyprus over them. What I assume is that, Cyprus came calling, and as he wasn't getting selected for England he agreed to play for Cyprus. If England came calling I'd expect him to switch to us

 

[IGSpur]

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/u20-barnet-friendly-180815/

Very young Spurs XI suffer 4 - 2 defeat to Barnet U-20s team.

Looks like we are organising extra games to give the new intake match practice due to the massive in take. Much the same way we had an u17 tournament going on at the same time as the u18s PL. I can imagine this carrying on through the season to give people fair chances.

Shame for that Dinzeyi kid. The scout site says he is born on the 17.09.99. So I guess he is technically an u16 but just missed off qualifying for our first years. But he was too old to go Singapore and South Korea with the other u16s as they were all born after January. So he is in limbo having to stay and get games with our first years at the moment

 

[Blake Griffin]

smh at milos playing in a team of kids against barnet u20s

 

[Doomchicken]

What I also think is impressive is that unlike say a Liverpool due to our production we don't have to bring many or any players in from abroad or other academies like you say which means having more players that understand our doctine.

We do bring in a lot of players from abroad for our academy. Bentaleb, Azzaoui, Gomelt, Yahaya, Coulibaly, Ceballos, etc.

 

[IGSpur]

We do .bring in a lot of players from abroad for our academy. Bentaleb, Azzaoui, Gomelt, Yahaya, Coulibaly, Ceballos, etc.

But not at the moment it seems as we are producing more high quality players. Gomelt, Ceballos, Bentaleb, Veljkovc and Coulibaly were around 3 years ago minimum to fill gaps we didn't have players. Azzaoui and Yahaya would have been for the current 2nd years where the intake was quite low as we lacked players in attacking positions in that area. The only other one really getting games is Daly who occasionally gets moved to RB. Foreign players are only brought in when we feel we a short in an area. This age group and the next will most likely not require them. Compare this to Liverpool who I think have around 5 in their academy and that excludes players I've recently seen them linked with and aiming to sign.

I don't think we will ever bring anywhere near that number in and only may add one if we see a weak area, which I don't see atm

 

[IGSpur]

I note that Harrison is now training with the first team in the latest vid. Showed nice composure and finish with his right foot. I don't know how much this is to do with our lack of strikers or him being rated, but it's good to see. I rate his ability but have doubts over his size, regardless of the motives behind him training with them it can only be a benefit for him.

Also found these quotes on twitter on Kirby which I thought I'd post

Teng Kiat ‏@tengkiat Aug 14
Nya Kirby showing some neat touches for Spurs in midfield, looks a skilful lad. #LCC

Shan ‏@heisweee Aug 14
.@SpursOfficial's U-15 playmaker Nya Kirby is a serious baller! #LionCityCup #Spurs

Teng Kiat ‏@tengkiat Aug 14
Nya Kirby named Man of the Match. A delight to watch, though he faded in the second half. #LCC #Spurs

 

[Spursidol]

• Remz¥•‏@reo_revaldo (Reo Griffiths)
  Second Tournament starts today!

South Korea tournament for the u15's which Spurs won last season