Spurs v Villa Spending

[ShayLaB]

Arse nal that is so so impresive:shrug:

The way that the manager does his dealings means that is so much less pressure of the business side of the club. It's vastly impressive.

 

[sloth]

Hate to say it but that's fucking impressive by Arsenal - to be 26 mill up and yet still be so competitive.

yep, say whatever you like about arsene wenger, but his record is absolutely brilliant. For me, he's up there amongst the top 2-3 managers in world football.

Arse nal that is so so impresive:shrug:

The way that the manager does his dealings means that is so much less pressure of the business side of the club. It's vastly impressive.

It looks impressive because it's only looking at one aspect of player cost. If you look at the true spending on players in the last five years you'll see that Arsenal have spent roughly 20% more than us each year which is in total about £70m more than us.

I started another thread where I posted a more accurate player expenditure table:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=65692

 

[tommo84]

Yes we were fairly close to Villa in Net spend, but how much is our squad worth compared to theirs? The likes of VDV, Bale, Lennon, Modric have all got to be worth in excess of £20m each or there about's. Apart from A Young at Villa I don't see anyone else worth that amount.

Thought I'd waste a few mins at work by putting it to the test (using just my own estimate of each player's value based on reputation and current form)

Spurs:
Gomes - £8m
Hutton - £4m
Bale -£25m
Bassong - £8m
Assou-Ekotto - £12m
Hudd - £16m (according to reports linking Manure with him)
Jenas - £5m
Van der Vaart - £12m (I know we only got him for 8 but he's prob a £18m player really)
Modric - £20m
Pav - £10m
Crouch - £10m

Bench: Cudicini - £0m (he's old)
Corluka - £5m
Lennon - £15m
Palacios - £10m
Kranjcar - £7m
Sandro - £8m
Keane - ??? depends how you rate him

Total = £175m for Saturday's 18-man squad.

Villa:
Friedel - £3m (old but good)
L Young - £2m (Liverpool had bid accepted in summer)
Warnock - £5m
Dunne - £3m (same as Friedel applies)
Collins - £5m (what they paid?)
Downing - £9m (just under what they paid?)
A Young - £18m
Albrighton - £6m (hard to judge - young)
Petrov - £8m
Reo-Coker - £5m (being kind - I think he's turd)
Heskey - £10m

Bench: Guzan - £1m
Clark - £3m (very young)
Cuellar - £3m
Sidwell - £5m
Ireland - £8m
Bannan - £3m (very young)
Carew - £8m

Total = £104m

Ok they are just my estimates and we would all have some disagreements, but I think when you add on Defoe, Kaboul and Dawson you can see we have a much more valuable squad of players at our disposal.

 

[leffe186]

Think you've undervalued Villa there, but our squad is definitely worth more.

 

[tRiKS]

Hate to say it but that's fucking impressive by Arsenal - to be 26 mill up and yet still be so competitive.

no it doesn't they spend far more on wages. Wages i might add they then get spent on houses and tax and cars and whores and unsuccessful high court gagging orders... they spend MORE than us but a masssive amount of that leaks out of football.

 

[alamo]

no it doesn't they spend far more on wages. Wages i might add they then get spent on houses and tax and cars and whores and unsuccessful high court gagging orders... they spend MORE than us but a masssive amount of that leaks out of football.

So? Still a ridiculously good stat when compared to Chelsea or the Mancs

 

[tommo84]

Think you've undervalued Villa there, but our squad is definitely worth more.

With Villa's younger players (particularly Albrighton) its v difficult to value them cos we've only got half a dozen games to judge them on.

But with some of Villa's better players (esp Friedel, Dunne and Petrov) we're talking about players who are way past their peak whose values will only go in one direction.

Of course there is bound to be some margin for error but I think the difference in value between the 2 sets of 18 is a decent estimate.

 

[sloth]

So? Still a ridiculously good stat when compared to Chelsea or the Mancs

Maybe, but then so is everyone's. Not sure why you pick them out especially instead of us.

You do know don't you, that they've spent £73.5m (approx) more than us on players in the last five years?

That doesn't strike me as ridiculously good, especially when you consider our relative successes over that period.

 

[alamo]

I 'picked' them out because i was surprised to see that given their success the relative outlay was impressive.

And I apologise if I misread the figures its a monday after all - but where did you get 73.5 from?

 

[DogsOfWar]

Maybe, but then so is everyone's. Not sure why you pick them out especially instead of us.

You do know don't you, that they've spent £73.5m (approx) more than us on players in the last five years?

That doesn't strike me as ridiculously good, especially when you consider our relative successes over that period.

But then that's also relative to turnover.
Last season on it's own their turnover was more than that £73.5 million higher than ours.

 

[sloth]

I 'picked' them out because i was surprised to see that given their success the relative outlay was impressive.

And I apologise if I misread the figures its a monday after all - but where did you get 73.5 from?

Not your fault, in retrospect it wasn't clear at all. Earlier in the thread I linked to another thread I started today (quoted below for reference) in which average player spend takes into account the amount spent on wages as well as transfers.

Basically Arsenal spend a considerable amount of their kitty for players on wages, hence they buy fewer but retain more.

The long and the short is that once the total player spend is summed the table looks somewhat different. In fact Arsenal spent a grand total of £425m on transfers and wages in the last five years, whereas we spent £351.5m in the same period. In other words they spent £73.5m more than us on players over the last five years.

It makes them the 5th biggest Premier League spenders in the last five years. Whereas we're the 7th biggest, just slightly behind Villa.

It looks impressive because it's only looking at one aspect of player cost. If you look at the true spending on players in the last five years you'll see that Arsenal have spent roughly 20% more than us each year which is in total about £70m more than us.

I started another thread where I posted a more accurate player expenditure table:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=65692

 

[sloth]

But then that's also relative to turnover.
Last season on it's own their turnover was more than that £73.5 million higher than ours.

That's a good point. I think it's fair to say Arsenal are the model for how to run a club well. But, I think we are also. We both spend well within our means, it's just our means are less than there's.

 

[alamo]

Not your fault, in retrospect it wasn't clear at all. Earlier in the thread I linked to another thread I started today (quoted below for reference) in which average player spend takes into account the amount spent on wages as well as transfers.

Basically Arsenal spend a considerable amount of their kitty for players on wages, hence they buy fewer but retain more.

The long and the short is that once the total player spend is summed the table looks somewhat different. In fact Arsenal spent a grand total of £425m on transfers and wages in the last five years, whereas we spent £351.5m in the same period. In other words they spent £73.5m more than us on players over the last five years.

It makes them the 5th biggest Premier League spenders in the last five years. Whereas we're the 7th biggest, just slightly behind Villa.

That certainly puts things in a different perspective and completely revises my opinion.

Thank you for the informative posts

 

[DogsOfWar]

That's a good point. I think it's fair to say Arsenal are the model for how to run a club well. But, I think we are also. We both spend well within our means, it's just our means are less than there's.

I totally agree.

We have demonstrated the best business model for getting into the top 4 from a mid-table position whilst Arsenal have demonstrated the best business model for staying there.

Unfortunately Chelsea cocked up their top 2 dominance with big spending just as I fear Man City will cock up our top 4 presence by doing the same. It's a shame the spending regulations weren't implemented a long time ago and our financial prudence rewarded.
And even when the regulations do come in they'll still have £200 million squads and £200 million turnovers so we'll have to wait for them to implode in a Liverpool style.

 

[THFC6061]

Tottenham's net spend since Harry Redknapp took charge has been £55,230,000

HARRY'S INCOMING PLAYERS
Bongani Khumalho SuperSport United Oct-10 £1,500,000
Rafael Van der Vaart Real Madrid Aug-10 £8,000,000
Stipe Pletikosa Spartak Moscow Aug-10 Season loan
William Gallas Arsenal Aug-10 £0
Sandro Internacional (Brazil) Mar-10 £6,000,000
Eidur Gudjohnsen AS Monaco Jan-10 Loan
Younes Kaboul Portsmouth Jan-10 £4,000,000
Jimmy Walker West Ham United Sep-09 £0
Niko Kranjcar Portsmouth Sep-09 £2,000,000
Sebastien Bassong Newcastle United Aug-09 £8,000,000
Peter Crouch Portsmouth Jly-09 £9,000,000
Kyle Naughton Sheffield United Jly-09 £6,000,000
Kyle Walker Sheffield United Jly-09 £4,000,000
Anton Blackwood Arsenal Jly-09 Free
Robbie Keane Liverpool Jan-09 £12,000,000
Pascal Chimbonda Sunderland Jan-09 £3,000,000
Carlo Cudicini Chelsea Jan-09 £0
Wilson Palacios Wigan Athletic Jan-09 £12,000,000
Jermain Defoe Portsmouth Jan-09 £15,000,000
TOTAL SPENT £90,500,000



HARRY'S OUTGOING PLAYERS
Adel Taarabt Queens Park Rangers Aug-10 £1,000,000
Dorian Dervite Villarreal Jly-10 £0
Chace O'Neill Released Jly-10 £0
Anthony Jack Released Jly-10 £0
Jamie Butler Released Jly-10 £0
Coskun Ekim Released Jly-10 £0
Sam Cox Barnet Jly-10 £0
Lee Butcher Leyton Orient May-10 £0
Troy Archibald-Henville Exeter City Jan-10 £?
Tomas Pekhart FK Jablonec 97 Jan-10 £0?
Pascal Chimbonda Blackburn Rovers Aug-09 £2,000,000
Kevin-Prince Boateng Portsmouth Aug-09 £4,000,000
Darren Bent Sunderland Aug-09 £16,500,000
Yuri Berchiche Valladolid Aug-09 £0?
Gilberto de Silva Melo Released Jly-09 £0
Chris Gunter Nottingham Forest Jly-09 £1,750,000
Simon Dawkins Released Jly-09 £0
Ricardo Rocha Released Jly-09 £0
Didier Zokora Sevilla Jly-09 £8,620,000
Leigh Mills Released Feb-09 released
Charlie Daniels Leyton Orient Jan-09 £?
Cesar Sanchez Valencia Jan-09 £?
Andy Barcham Gillingham Jan-09 £0?
Hossam Ghaly Al Nasr Jan-09 £1,400,000
TOTAL RECEIVED £35,270,000

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