Match Threads Spurs vs Arsenal - Match Thread - Day 11

[NickHSpurs]

Mind the gap, you slags.

 

[Barrd10]

Is this thread only 4 pages long?

Sorry I will shut up now.

 

[mil1lion]

I loved the football under Poch and Redknapp but we won fuck all. I just want to win things and Jose clearly has the fire back. His reaction at the end of the game was typical Jose at his best. This guy has won it all and the players know that if they follow his instructions they will win things. The players have clearly bought in and the fans should too.

Make no mistake though, we do play excellent football at times. If the 2 halves were swapped over today and we kept it tight and 0-0 in the first half, then picked them off for 2 in the 2nd the mood would be different. The result is the same but I feel that if we go 2-0 we will shut it out more often than not. If it stays close we will attack and push for the winner as we've also shown this season.

I felt we missed Ndombele in the 2nd half today though. I really fancy we would have got on the ball a bit better and had more breaks and odd chances. I still fancy Bale to come good for the 2nd half of the season too which will only make us more clinical. Great win today but still a lot of work to be done.

 

[Mattspurs1982]

I know it’s early days, and I wasn’t a fan of his appointment - but hats off to Jose. He inherited a team with a Jan, Rose, Toby and Eriksen problem, the system was broken, the squad balance was all wrong, Harry was probably a bit fed up and the morale broken after the CL final.

Yes there’s been 7 new players but what a job he’s done in 1 years time. Trying not to get carried away but what he’s done is rather remarkable. He’s got the players and fan believing again just after we’d all thought we’d lost our chance to do something special

 

[Dr Benson]

Hahaha, football is so hard for you. Mourinho has shown he is really one of the best tactician in this game. If you couldn't look beyond this and appreciate this jewel we are having now, where we are possibly gonna have the ultimate crown at the end of the season, you are better off supporting other teams until Mourinho left us. It really is for the good of you.

Well, I was never anti-Mourinho myself, but I know and remember there was a few a year ago. I can accept a team which is defensively well-organised and where counter attacking football is the preference. But, then we have to attack when we can and entertain as much as possible. To Dare is to Do.. Seems like “everyone” is happy as long as we win, no matter how..?! I’m not.

 

[Ionman34]

If every team played like Jose’s team we would all stop watching football. I hated when we lost to ultra negative teams who would score from their 1 chance. But that’s how we play now and I hate it. I wonder what we will do against Palace who play the same way.

I see it from totally the opposite perspective. You see controlling a game as dominating possession, having the most shots, corners, crosses et al. If we’re not doing that then we’re negative and “lucking out” against the dominant team.

What I see is us controlling the game by letting them have the ball in the areas WE want them to have it, allowing them to manoeuvre the ball around without penetrating with it. We then set traps and spring them. They might dominate the meaningless stats of shots, possession etc, but we dominate the meaningful ones, goals scored and quality chances created.

I’ve seen some worried on here about our conversion rate being so high, why? It is high because we are creating more clear chances and not wasting time with speculative shots that just pad out the stats. We’re about quality, not quantity. When you have that then your conversion rate will naturally be higher.

Personally I’m loving this Football. I find it intriguing from a tactical sense, exciting when we win the ball back and explode forward (look at Son, Kane, Reguilon et al bombing forward for our first goal, absolutely devastating). I’m also finding it a lot more comfortable to watch as my confidence grows more and more at our ability to nullify attacks.

Not a chance I’d give up watching us, I’m loving everything about how we’re developing as a team.

 

[slartibartfast]

Stink balls the winner.
Football is the game

 

[fuzzylogic]

Good job they’re not playing for the neutral then, just us.

I said it before, his Chelsea team was regarded as being boring by all but Chelsea fans. Neutrals want a spectacle, fans want goals and wins.

I love the fact that we are frustrating everyone by neutering them whilst we go and help ourselves to a couple of goals. The fact that it’s pissing off a number of fools I have zero respect for is just the icing on the cake.

Incidentally, Tony Adams describes our performance today as magnificent. He may not be much when it comes to coaching, but he knows what dominant defending looks like.

and a pub ?

 

[Dr Benson]

I see it from totally the opposite perspective. You see controlling a game as dominating possession, having the most shots, corners, crosses et al. If we’re not doing that then we’re negative and “lucking out” against the dominant team.

What I see is us controlling the game by letting them have the ball in the areas WE want them to have it, allowing them to manoeuvre the ball around without penetrating with it. We then set traps and spring them. They might dominate the meaningless stats of shots, possession etc, but we dominate the meaningful ones, goals scored and quality chances created.

I’ve seen some worried on here about our conversion rate being so high, why? It is high because we are creating more clear chances and not wasting time with speculative shots that just pad out the stats. We’re about quality, not quantity. When you have that then your conversion rate will naturally be higher.

Personally I’m loving this Football. I find it intriguing from a tactical sense, exciting when we win the ball back and explode forward (look at Son, Kane, Reguilon et al bombing forward for our first goal, absolutely devastating). I’m also finding it a lot more comfortable to watch as my confidence grows more and more at our ability to nullify attacks.

Not a chance I’d give up watching us, I’m loving everything about how we’re developing as a team.

I agree to a certain point. But, there must be more counter attacks then if I’m gonna be satisfied. This is a sport and entertainment after all. It’s not just a battle in WW2 which must be won no matter how and with the tactical manoeuvre needed. At least not in game after game. Football must and shall be fun and attacking.

 

[rez9000]

I’ve said I hate the way Jose’s teams play because it is anti football. I think the more he has been in the game the more he has learnt all of the negative tactics struggling teams have devised. He has found out with his time wasting tactics in the past. He would do anything to win a game. I just hate that. Every team bends the rules but his teams will bend all of them because he doesn’t care about the game - only winning. I love football.

And you're wrong. There is no anti-football. Without meaning to sound horrendously aggressive, the idea of anti-football is bullshit.

Negative tactics are part of football. If you didn't have "negative" tactics, you wouldn't have "positive" tactics. And in point of fact, you don't have either - you just have tactics.

Game management is part of football. Playing ultra-defensively (not that I'd actually accuse Mourniho of that) is part of football.

There is only one commonality that every single player, manager, fan and chairman wants and that is to win.

And Mourinho is a winner. And rather than excoriate him for it, every single one of us should be celebrating the fact that he uses every tool at his disposal to give us the best chance of securing the win. If that means time-wasting, so be it. If that means playing six at the back, so be it. If that means playing mind games, so be it.

No manager or player was ever hired to do anything other than win:

"Ah, nice to meet you Mr Levy. Yes, I'm going to be spending many tens of millions of pounds of money you control, but I think this whole winning games thing is so passe. You know it's very pre-Covid, yah? I think I'm going to set up my team in a 1-0-9 formation. We'll score a lot of goals and it'll be exciting, but we're not going to win much. Oh, that's the exit? Yes, thank you. Thank you for your time."

Yeah?

Mourinho is honest in his approach. He does not lie, he doesn't obfuscate. He doesn't dress it up as anything other than a desire to do what he is hired to do - win.

And if you think that the likes of Pep or Klopp or Bielsa or any of the others is any different, you're deluding yourself. They too want to win. They use different methods, but that's all they want - to win.

Mourinho has a weaker hand than the likes of Chelsea or Liverpool or Man City and so he has to do what he can to win. That means having to use every single tool he can lay his hands on to get his team over the line and get the points. We don't have to like it, but we do have to respect that he has the same objective in mind as every single one of us - to get us wins and he will do everything he can to do so.

That doesn't require liking it, but it does demand respect.

 

[EQP]

And you're wrong. There is no anti-football. Without meaning to sound horrendously aggressive, the idea of anti-football is bullshit.

Negative tactics are part of football. If you didn't have "negative" tactics, you wouldn't have "positive" tactics. And in point of fact, you don't have either - you just have tactics.

Game management is part of football. Playing ultra-defensively (not that I'd actually accuse Mourniho of that) is part of football.

There is only one commonality that every single player, manager, fan and chairman wants and that is to win.

And Mourinho is a winner. And rather than excoriate him for it, every single one of us should be celebrating the fact that he uses every tool at his disposal to give us the best chance of securing the win. If that means time-wasting, so be it. If that means playing six at the back, so be it. If that means playing mind games, so be it.

No manager or player was ever hired to do anything other than win:

"Ah, nice to meet you Mr Levy. Yes, I'm going to be spending many tens of millions of pounds of money you control, but I think this whole winning games thing is so passe. You know it's very pre-Covid, yah? I think I'm going to set up my team in a 1-0-10 formation. We'll score a lot of goals and it'll be exciting, but we're not going to win much. Oh, that's the exit? Yes, thank you. Thank you for your time."

Yeah?

Mourinho is honest in his approach. He does not lie, he doesn't obfuscate. He doesn't dress it up as anything other than a desire to do what he is hired to do - win.

And if you think that the likes of Pep or Klopp or Bielsa or any of the others is any different, you're deluding yourself. They too want to win. They use different methods, but that's all they want - to win.

Mourinho has a weaker hand than the likes of Chelsea or Liverpool or Man City and so he has to do what he can to win. That means having to use every single tool he can lay his hands on to get his team over the line and get the points. We don't have to like it, but we do have to respect that he has the same objective in mind as every single one of us - to get us wins and he will do everything he can to do so.

That doesn't require liking it, but it does demand respect.

Facts.​

 

[Saoirse]

Give me a lifetime of promises and a world of dreams, give me the language of love like you know what it mean

COYS!!!!!

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Happy Sunday everyone. Let's keep pushing. ?

 

[montylynch]

Incidentally, Tony Adams describes our performance today as magnificent. He may not be much when it comes to coaching, but he knows what dominant defending looks like.

My stream switched over to supersport at the end and I watched that analysis, Sherwood was praising us to the hilt too.

 

[VegasII]

My stream switched over to supersport at the end and I watched that analysis, Sherwood was praising us to the hilt too.

Probably wants a free gilet for Christmas.

 

[Reece_Spurs]

Just brilliant, got the 2 goals then set up shop and defended like their lives depended on it.

Forget all the bullshit about it being negative or boring, we won, and won well.

Every arsenal attack was shut off, headed out or booted out, it was cleared 99% of the time.

We keep doing this against the top teams, we win the league.

We are so solid now and set up so well against the top teams i'm actually more confident against them than I am against the lower teams. We need to really assert our dominance against the lower teams in the future to make sure we don't drop points. I'd like to see more of Bale and Vinicious in those games when we struggle to break down the teams that want to sit back against us.

For now it's looking pretty fucking sweet.

 

[Barrd10]

You've been here for 7 years, why have you chosen now to try and make yourself relevant?

Drunk!

 

[Duck]

Just brilliant, got the 2 goals then set up shop and defended like their lives depended on it.

Forget all the bullshit about it being negative or boring, we won, and won well.

Every arsenal attack was shut off, headed out or booted out, it was cleared 99% of the time.

We keep doing this against the top teams, we win the league.

We are so solid now and set up so well against the top teams i'm actually more confident against them than I am against the lower teams. We need to really assert our dominance against the lower teams in the future to make sure we don't drop points. I'd like to see more of Bale and Vinicious in those games when we struggle to break down the teams that want to sit back against us.

For now it's looking pretty fucking sweet.

Liverpool in two weeks, that's the real test.

If we sit back and let them dominate play the same way we let Arsenal, they will score.
Let's not kid ourselves here, Arsenal are total rubbish, and not serious competition.

 

[lennon180]

Just remember Arteta played mind games this week saying that Partey wouldn’t be fit for 6 weeks. He played today and was fucked on the second goal to the point where Arteta tried to push him back on the pitch as we were about to score our second goal. He’s out now. Arsenal never had any chances like the two goals we scored, it was awesome counter attack football. We finished them and they clowned around trying to unlock us which they never even came close too let alone score goals like we did with such breathtaking arrogance. We actually preserved a lot of energy for upcoming games with that second half. Why is that? Because we won it in the first. An inexperienced manager throws a player in and then proceeds to throw everything at the game and loses the match and a player. The experienced manager wins it in the first half, conserves energy the second because he realises there are more championship winning games coming. This counter attacking football is as good as I’ve seen from a Spurs team. This defensive football is the BEST I’ve ever seen from a Spurs team. It’s not for everyone and that’s ok, possession football was not for everyone either, but what it is is winning and that should be for everyone and it certainly is for me. I’ve never seen a north London derby where my heart rate was lower than 50bpm. Today was that day and long may it continue. We should absolutely have our opinions and be able to express them but let’s remember that the eleven players and the squad too are working harder than ever to get what we all want. Success. It’s coming. Enjoy it.

 

[Spurs 1961]

If every team played like Jose’s team we would all stop watching football. I hated when we lost to ultra negative teams who would score from their 1 chance. But that’s how we play now and I hate it. I wonder what we will do against Palace who play the same way.

I can imagine a game where the ball is kicked into the centre circle and stays there for five minutes because neither side is allowed by their coaches to move out of their third of the pitch. Cant take such risks. Loved how Jose for the sec9nd match in a row f8nished with six defenders, two defensive midfield players and the luxury of two attacking players. He is getting more defensive as the days go on. Too scared, too stuck in his ways.