Match Threads Spurs Vs Liverpool

[luRRka]

the funniest thing I heard was from Neville when he mentioned TAA & Robertson in the same breathe as Cafu & Roberto Carlos I nearly choked on my dinner.

Not only that, he called them "something else" suggesting they are even better

 

[chrisd2k]

One big problem with VAR is the subjective notion of clear and obvious error. The ref on the field will tend to err more towards caution because VAR is now there, and will often not give a penalty he may have previous given. But meanwhile the VAR can't actually overturn a decision unless the ref's error is blatant. It actually ends up creating a grey area in which a penalty is less likely to be given rather than more likely.

Perhaps the on field ref should himself decide when he wants to immediately look at a video replay before making any decision.

You know the way refs have been using it in Rugby for years. Clear communication and everyone knows what's happening.

Who would have thought learning the lessons from others would be a good idea?

 

[TOLBINY]

Dele's was a push in the back by TAA - Dele should have made a big appeal. Their second goal was handball by Salah - the laws may say different but the ball hitting his hand helped cushion it into the path of Mane so Hugo has to react to that. Mane takes a swing at the ball but because Hugo flips it away first Mane actually kicks Hugo just above the ribs. If Hugo stays down pretending to be injured that goal gets chalked off IMO.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Not gonna agree with some, or most, here - Kane's tackle was still more of a yellow than red to me. The other leagues had these tackles all day. The slow-mo was just gonna make everything looked worse and Sky and many others will only replay that. Spurs-tinted, yes. So? I don't care, it's Liverpool.

If they had won, they will only say they could have won more if Kane was sent off. Now they hadn't, they are still saying Kane should have been off. Fuck them, and fuck most other pundits.

If our players were at the receiving end of the tackle, like many other unfair decisions ruled against us all these years, we would never be discussed or be sympathised at. It's hilarious we had one of the best performance for over the last 6 months (or more?) against a top team, yet everyone, even our own fans, are more interested in analysing a hypothetical situation than the actual effort from Conte and the team.

Winks did a similar tackle leading to our first goal too on Mane. And Kane did it but became the ire of most. Yet, when they shy away from tackling and we labelled them as soft pricks. Fuck me, we really can't have nice things.

 

[Trix]

It's bollocks.

Absolutely. Both should have been reviewed, and both straight red cards. Really isn't anything more to be said on the subject other than the VAR ref was inconsistent and in Kane's case wrong not to have the ref take another look at it. Anyone saying different either doesn't understand the laws of the game as they now are, or is looking at the two incidents with bias towards one side.

 

[StockSpur]

sooty n sweep ?

 

[StockSpur]

Not only that, he called them "something else" suggesting they are even better

ye wtf did that come from, idiot

 

[stormfly]

Everyone says Kane gets special treatment because he’s England’s captain but I think people are still going on about it because he’s England’s captain. As has been mentioned by a few on here; these tackles happen fairly regularly and then forgotten about almost straight away. In real time I was actually annoyed the ref called a foul as I thought he actually won the ball haha.

 

[Tucker]

Everyone says Kane gets special treatment because he’s England’s captain but I think people are still going on about it because he’s England’s captain. As has been mentioned by a few on here; these tackles happen fairly regularly and then forgotten about almost straight away. In real time I was actually annoyed the ref called a foul as I thought he actually won the ball haha.

I think that it did have an effect on the decision to be honest. Kane doesn’t have a reputation for making dirty tackles, Robertson very much does, he puts in tackles worse than the one Kane put in on him most weeks.

 

[C0YS]

Absolutely. Both should have been reviewed, and both straight red cards. Really isn't anything more to be said on the subject other than the VAR ref was inconsistent and in Kane's case wrong not to have the ref take another look at it. Anyone saying different either doesn't understand the laws of the game as they now are, or is looking at the two incidents with bias towards one side.

tbf, the laws of the game don't really make it clear when a tackle is a red or not. That is all down to interpretation. Of course, though it was a red. I'm not sure it was inconsistent because the nature of the tackles were very different.

The issue here is VAR, which isn't able to fix these mistakes, because, fundamentally, it still comes down to a subjective decision, it can never win, people will always complain. The healthiest way to deal with controversy like this is just to accept that incorrect decisions happen, and believe it or not, are rarely what makes a team win, lose or draw. The game, in all but the most extreme cases, is there to be played and won.

The reason that everything is so annoying is the over-focus on ref decisions over the game itself. Because people engage with controversy so it is in the interest of the media to focus on it and drive up engagement. Even more so, because there isn't much to talk about this week as so many games were suspended. So now people have a convenient talking point to fill air time.

The irony of course is VAR came in because refs felt under pressure when human mistakes were made, but all VAR has done is shift even more focus on decisions which frankly you can't get right. The laws are sort of the problem, you can actually read the laws and make a case that Kane shouldn't have been sent off, that all the pen claims were pens, or that none of them are. You can make the case that the handball was a handball or it wasn't.

Now, the laws of the game, however, are followed by a few things. Namely, precedent and often an intimate yet undefinable understanding of the game of football, where you interpret clues to come to a decision. This is why sometimes things 'feel' like a foul or a penalty, it's because we have a deep understanding of the game based on interpreting subtle cues that tell us what constitutes what, even if it's hard to put into words.

But, the problem is that VAR turns everything into something that should be black and white, and the laws do not make it so, and we have recently had changes in rules to try and make things more black and white, which have actually hurt things not helped things, such as the handball stuff last season. Because our deep understanding of the laws tells us 'this isn't a handball' but because it comes from an informed, but subjective judgement, which often is culturally specific, they wanted black and white laws to prevent criticism. By doing so though, they have essentially challenged the way that the sport has been officiated from its inception, and I don't think it's improved because of it.

 

[joey.leone]

Lennon to come on towards the end.

"Bah Gawd, that's Robbie Keane's music!"

10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1....

"Who's it going to be JR?"



"My God, it's... it's him, it's Robbie Keane!"

 

[aliyid]

Was at the game so not heard the commentary bias stuff and what I have seen from the sky highlights it sounds like Tyler was saying that we had created more big chances than them. The analysis bias is crazy but that’s typical Sky and media pandering to the masses rather than give fair and balanced views.

Big thing for me was our intensity levels were high and we didn’t just sit back but had a plan and shape. So much better than the cynical Jose approach or the passive Nuno style.

Positive signs, let’s hope we can use this to push on and win those games in hand.

 

[Pistols At Dawn]

The headline shouldn't be about the red card controversy, it should be instead:

SPURS GO TOE-TO-TOE WITH SUPERPOWER LIVERPOOL AND WERE EXTREMELY UNLUCKY NOT TO WIN

 

[VegasII]

‘Tottenham tee up scouse whinging’

 

[Yid-ol]

‘Tottenham tee up scouse whinging’

Surely it's got to be spurs send Liverpool their seasons 'greetin'


Though you need to know the Scottish word for that

greeting
common scottish slang for crying
"Aye, you were fair bawling and greeting like a wee bairn"

"Aww, I wiz almost greetin when Lassie died."

 

[Silky Skills]

Had my Liverpool supporting boss today tell me "it was a red all day", "dele stopped, after miss-controlling the ball, and Trent ran into him", "this season's laws mean Salah's handball was accidental" (though watching it back Mo went for the ball with his head and missed it and it hit his upper arm, is that really accidental when he was trying to head it) ............ I just left it as "I hope you don't lose the title by a point" ............... I hope they do lol

 

[chrissivad]

Had my Liverpool supporting boss today tell me "it was a red all day", "dele stopped, after miss-controlling the ball, and Trent ran into him", "this season's laws mean Salah's handball was accidental" (though watching it back Mo went for the ball with his head and missed it and it hit his upper arm, is that really accidental when he was trying to head it) ............ I just left it as "I hope you don't lose the title by a point" ............... I hope they do lol

The hand ball I agree with you.
If he headed it off his arm I can see that goal standing, but it looks like he just controls it with his arm.

 

[djhotspur]

Kane's tackle was definitely red card worthy, but the ref's position was not very good for that incident and VAR should have stepped in, as it did with the Robertson tackle.

Var did step and checked it.... rewatch it back the commentators even say the VAR check is complete.

 

[djhotspur]

In fairness to TAA he could develop to that level. I mean neither cafu or Roberto Carlos posted anything like TAAs numbers, though full backs were a bit different then. TAA has weaknesses too, but he is a phenomenal player and still so young.

I agree, arguably he is the best offensive RB there has been. Roberto Carlos was a great player but yeah is offensive stats massively pale in comparison to Trents.

He is a truly world class offensive RB who has no weaknesses going forward, he a world class shooter, passer and crosser.

 

[djhotspur]

I think that it did have an effect on the decision to be honest. Kane doesn’t have a reputation for making dirty tackles, Robertson very much does, he puts in tackles worse than the one Kane put in on him most weeks.

Yeah, he did the same tackle to Tangaga the other season. Which Klopp laughed at and said if that is a red you don't know football.