Match Threads Spurs vs Man City - Day 14

[ralvy]

I mean, even Nuno managed to defeat City. Fuck off Ange, we wanted to win.

 

[HNIM]

Somebody will make a Halloween mask out of that and scare little kids with it.

 

[Styopa]

Beginning to seem there's no point engaging Trix at all about Ange, clearly decided he doesn't like the guy. Can only assume, because he's in danger of making Levy look good or something? Who knows. It is definitely tiring though.

I think it’s because a lot of people were invested in the narrative that Conte was basically right, and that he was a “big boy” manager who was serious about winning things.

Whereas Ange is a tactically naive populist and the supposedly wiser fans can only shake their heads and chuckle when the rest of talk about having a go or being entertained.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Opinions isn't it. Everyone else including Pep, Klopp, and SAF had to tweak their teams and way of playing to adapt to the game changing and different leagues.

If anyone thinks Ange doesn’t make ‘tweaks’ is a fucking a moron. Of course he does. Just as the famous aforementioned. He has a core philosophy, that he won’t compromise. But there are things he tweaks from game to game. So I have no idea What the genius punditry are on about. And yeah, I’m sure he is learning some things on the go as well. But for anyone to suggest the guy is a cavalier gun slinger who is unable to bend his approach to the challenge he faces is a world class idiot. But then again, we are talking Neville and Carragher.

 

[allatsea]

Just to say I loved the result. Fantastic term performance. Great credit to everyone !

 

[allatsea]

Wasn't that more or less Man City's best team ? Good job Haarland can score goals because he can do little else.

 

[FITZ]

Why are all the pundits assuming that Grealish would have automatically scored had the ref not cocked up?

Personally, I think the ref saved Ben Davies from a three game ban. He would have just taken out Grealish from behind. He would have had no choice that late in the game.

 

[tommo84]

Just seen a post from Henry Winter about the game which says “A brilliant game overshadowed by officiating mistakes”. I can think of one mistake - the decision to stop the advantage when Grealish was out through - but beyond that the ref was fantastic. To say the game was overshadowed is bullshit, and scrutinising one error (when to me it’s pretty obvious and understandable what happened*) is the reason why we’ve ended up with the absolute farce that is VAR. if the likes of Henry Winter chose to focus on the tactics and action which allowed us to claw our way back into the game rather than one error of judgement in an otherwise strong ref performance, the game would be in a much better state.

*Probably been said by others but from the ref’s view I don’t think he spots Davies as clearly the last defender until it’s too late, and mistakenly thinks Grealish is offside, thus ending the advantage. It’s an error but if people bitch and moan about it all week then next time the ref won’t play any advantage at all as that’s safer. Micah Richards saying ‘he’s clearly onside’ is all well and good when looking at a still of side on angle from high up, but the ref didn’t have that luxury.

 

[Yid-ol]

 

[Real_madyidd]

Biggest exaggeration about a decision ever. Grealish was about 5yards in our half with three defenders near him. The Liverpool goal I get, but the reaction to this is crazy- it's as if city score every time they cross the half way line.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Oh do fuck off

What am I wrong about?

 

[SA_Spurs]

Biggest exaggeration about a decision ever. Grealish was about 5yards in our half with three defenders near him. The Liverpool goal I get, but the reaction to this is crazy- it's as if city score every time they cross the half way line.

the same numpties forgetting Golden boy missed an open goal from 5 yards out but expected with 100% certainty that Grealish would traverse the entire half of a pitch with 3 spurs defenders all over him & score? Even if he got close to the goal, someone would have taken him out & took a card or sending off anyways.
These pundits and commentators consistently show everyone how stupid they are. What's the entry criteria to be a commentator - 1 brain cell? 1 eye? ridiculous bias, even when the camera or replays prove you wrong?

 

[spurs mental]

What am I wrong about?

Have they all had a similar amount of players out at the same time? All from their spine?

United haven't been playing with 4 full backs in defence. Neither have Newcastle, nor have Arsenal.

United have spent about 200 million trying to sort their defence and up to recently had an 85m CB on the bench.

Of course injuries are part of football but the fact we've suffered the amount we have to 5 key players and 4 guaranteed starters is mad.

 

[spursfan77]

At least Pep isn't demanding the game be replayed like some I can think of

Regardless, why do all the pundits assume Grealish would have scored. More like he would have lost his hairband and stopped to retrieve it.

It’s classic diversion from them failing to win the game. Just one to ignore. The ref obviously didn’t see Grealish as he was only watching Haaland.

 

[spursfan77]

If anyone thinks Ange doesn’t make ‘tweaks’ is a fucking a moron. Of course he does. Just as the famous aforementioned. He has a core philosophy, that he won’t compromise. But there are things he tweaks from game to game. So I have no idea What the genius punditry are on about. And yeah, I’m sure he is learning some things on the go as well. But for anyone to suggest the guy is a cavalier gun slinger who is unable to bend his approach to the challenge he faces is a world class idiot. But then again, we are talking Neville and Carragher.

I just can’t believe people are falling for the latest narrative by pundits to bash us with. It’s fucking boring. There’s nothing wrong with how we’ve been playing.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Have they all had a similar amount of players out at the same time? All from their spine?

United haven't been playing with 4 full backs in defence. Neither have Newcastle, nor have Arsenal.

United have spent about 200 million trying to sort their defence and up to recently had an 85m CB on the bench.

Of course injuries are part of football but the fact we've suffered the amount we have to 5 key players and 4 guaranteed starters is mad.

Who are the 4 guaranteed starters?

In a word, yes newcastle and united at one point had as many players from their spine out.

And we play 4 full backs because Dier isn’t trusted but newcastle have played lascelles and united have played evans who are both equally as bad as Dier.

 

[spursfan77]

the same numpties forgetting Golden boy missed an open goal from 5 yards out but expected with 100% certainty that Grealish would traverse the entire half of a pitch with 3 spurs defenders all over him & score? Even if he got close to the goal, someone would have taken him out & took a card or sending off anyways.
These pundits and commentators consistently show everyone how stupid they are. What's the entry criteria to be a commentator - 1 brain cell? 1 eye? ridiculous bias, even when the camera or replays prove you wrong?

They just can’t stand it that we didn’t lose. It’s as simple as that.

 

[max cady]

Citeh should not have been relying on what may or may not have happened if Grealish was allowed to continue. The facts remain they were miles better than us in the 1st half and failed miserably to take advantage. As for Halaand he had an open goal and missed maybe he should concentrate on that rather than lambast the ref for what was clearly a human error, Well done to us for getting the draw some say it was snatched I don't agree I think we fully deserved it for keeping going.

 

[spurs mental]

Who are the 4 guaranteed starters?

In a word, yes newcastle and united at one point had as many players from their spine out.

And we play 4 full backs because Dier isn’t trusted but newcastle have played lascelles and united have played evans who are both equally as bad as Dier.

Romero (ok suspended but still), VDV, Sarr and Madders.

United had a choice of Varane, Maguire and Evans, its not like they didn't have any choice, we've had Dier who played one game. Lascelles has always been ok for Newcastle, better than Dier in my opinion.

 

[1882andallthat]

I maintain this view.

I didn’t think we needed the traditional centre back against City as their threat isn’t from set pieces or crosses.

Away to the best team in the league and probably Europe and we gave a really good account of ourselves.

So happy with the performance and result.

I would say that the lack of regualr Centre Backs have cost us two goals against Villa and Man City from two almost identical scenarios. Two inswinging free kicks from almost identical places with the ball coming in diagonally. A decent centre back gets his head to the ball and clears it for a corner. Instead in the Villa game Pau Torres gets a free header to score and no-one in our back line gets to head it and it goes in awkwardly off and attempted Son clearance in the Man City game. I hope our coaching staff are looking at these examples of where we have weaknesses and how West Ham can threaten from situations like that.

West Ham will be taking note of that, we need to avoid conceding free kicks from there, both goals ironically from the same side, our left and the attacking teams right.
I would be very concerned with James Ward-Prowse tacking an inswinging free kick from the same place with the likes of Soucek lurking there to get his head to it first.