Match Threads Spurs Vs Sporting CP

[Serpico]

The AM pen miss - keeper off his line when 1st save was made. VAR went AWOL

 

[easley91]

The 'goal' was scored at 94:45 of 5 extra minutes.

When play resumed there was only seconds left

Well yes, but it took 3 minutes to get to that decision. Could have at least played another minute or two.

 

[daveduvet]

I went to bed. Just seen replay of disallowed goal - a deflection means the goal should be allowed… how was it not spotted??

 

[taidgh]

Yes 100%

Yes dodgy.

100% an action- he is a defender.

Deliberate is getting in the way. It’s not just about kicking s ball. Defenders don’t deliberately handle the ball. It’s interpretation which is corrupt.

A corrupt interpretation. That's a new one.

 

[taidgh]

I went to bed. Just seen replay of disallowed goal - a deflection means the goal should be allowed… how was it not spotted??

No, no it doesn't.

Read back a few pages. Pay attention to the posts that got good ratings. The explanation is there.

 

[glacierSpurs]

The AM pen miss - keeper off his line when 1st save was made. VAR went AWOL

The lack of consistency from VAR is what makes it so frustrating, because the involvement of humans still eeks of biasness.

At least for offside calls where they examine the offences based on the frozen moment, they should have just fed the data (footage, screenshot, positions etc) to an algorithm and let it churns and decides without human intervention. Play through the whole decision process to everyone in the stadium with a final outcome. If refs wish to use VAR for decision-making, they have to trust the system to make the decision for them. Its ironic the current situation is still decided by humans after all.

 

[Serpico]

Don’t care about interpretation on the events last night-It was a goal . Football is not honest-A WC in November proves it beyond any doubt. VAR decisions made in secret is open to corruption. Conte wants the club to take action , I can only assume, to contest the events. Let’s see what. The ref union has to say about it.

 

[Trix]

Just read that after 35 minutes Tottenham's expected goals rating stood at 0.03 per cent.

What was it after 90?

 

[Serpico]

The lack of consistency from VAR is what makes it so frustrating, because the involvement of humans still eeks of biasness.

At least for offside calls where they examine the offences based on the frozen moment, they should have just fed the data (footage, screenshot, positions etc) to an algorithm and let it churns and decides without human intervention. Play through the whole decision process to everyone in the stadium with a final outcome. If refs wish to use VAR for decision-making, they have to trust the system to make the decision for them. Its ironic the current situation is still decided by humans after all.

Your being nice- it’s corrupt and is open to biase and is used to be bias.

 

[GutBucket]

What was it after 90?

Penalty is 0.7xg that isn't there.

 

[Trix]

Don’t care about interpretation on the events last night-It was a goal . Football is not honest-A WC in November proves it beyond any doubt. VAR decisions made in secret is open to corruption. Conte wants the club to take action , I can only assume, to contest the events. Let’s see what. The ref union has to say about it.

It's not interpretation though is it, it's a law that is very clear.

It's a shit law, but a law none the less.

Anyway, that's going to be my last post on the subject because you can't fight the hive.

 

[Dannyspur]

If it has to take 3-4 minutes to decide then go with the on field decision.

My other gripe is why wasn't that time added on after? At least half of it? That's a good chunk of time for either team to score.

It's been a long, long time since a VAR/ref decision has got me this mad for even an hour after the final whistle. Maybe I need to see it again not half asleep, but I just can't wrap my head around it?

We had already used up the 5 added mins before we scored, so the VAR time was irrelevant.

 

[JimmyG2]

Call me old-fashioned
but I don't understand
the concept of defending
a 1-0 deficit.

Game of one-half innit.

 

[spursfan1991]

I dont have any confidence in these players to get the result needed at Marseille. They are clearly capable as shown in second half but too often they start the game strolling around with incredible arrogance. It is this reason that shocking decision by VAR hurts so much more.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Utter codswallop mate.

He has brought in enough players to make some difference.

If you are going back as far as Poch then you might as well list Hoddle, Francis and Sherwood.

"not trusting the backline" didn't prevent us putting half a dozen past Leicester after going a goal behind did it?

But he has made ‘some difference’ when he came in we were playing shit football and getting battered regularly and languishing in 9th, now we’re playing mostly shit football and competing most weeks.

It’s gonna take time because the squad he inherited was imo a mid table squad, there’s still so many aspects of it that remain that you can only really blame the players for the poor performances. Conte’s told us this lots of times.

 

[chrissivad]

Well yes, but it took 3 minutes to get to that decision. Could have at least played another minute or two.

That's not how it works.
We played 4:45 of injury time 3/4 mins of var and then 20 seconds after the restart.

That's your 5 mins of ball in play

 

[TOLBINY]

I dont have any confidence in these players to get the result needed at Marseille. They are clearly capable as shown in second half but too often they start the game strolling around with incredible arrogance. It is this reason that shocking decision by VAR hurts so much more.

It's not arrogance, it's anxiety, indecisiveness and uncertainty.

 

[Guernman]

I believe there is still a human element with VAR and offsides with the lines and determining precisely when a ball was played. If so their task should be to prove it was onside and to keep pushing the limit of those adjustable parameters in the attacking teams favour. If it can’t be done only then is it offside, but there are too many calls that are so fractional and it needs to be obvious

 

[TOLBINY]

I don't think VAR should be freeze framing anything. They should be watching the replays at actual speed, as that's the only way to detect "a clear and obvious error" and overturn the original decision.

There should also be a limit on the amount of views of the replay, with two or three presumably being enough to uncover something "obvious".

Both good points, I have said for ages that for offside there should be a freeze frame when the ball is played but no lines drawn - if it is clear to the naked eye that the player is offside then fair enough, otherwise the goal stands.
When IS the ball played? is it the millisecond the player first makes contact with the ball or the millisecond the ball is no longer in contact with any part of him / his kit?
FWIW I thought in real time Kane looked offside and according to the laws he was (his left leg at the very least is ahead of the ball).

 

[djhotspur]

But he has made ‘some difference’ when he came in we were playing shit football and getting battered regularly and languishing in 9th, now we’re playing mostly shit football and competing most weeks.

It’s gonna take time because the squad he inherited was imo a mid table squad, there’s still so many aspects of it that remain that you can only really blame the players for the poor performances. Conte’s told us this lots of times.

Exactly. People have short memories and expect instant success.

People look at the other big clubs who have spent 100s of millions more, and either had the same manager for 4+ seasons building the squads that manager wants, or looking at United and chelsea who have spent insane money building the squads they have. They went out and bought 3 80m players to improve their team.

Simple fact is there are too many bad players too many players signed for other managers on a budget, too many players who aren’t contes players and too many players who aren’t right for the formation.

look at arsenal, they finished 8th, 8th, 5th and every fan wanted arteta gone now look at them. Do you think if conte is given the time and money and is in his 4th season we’ll look the same or be struggling like we are?

look at last night, the difference should be we start Kulu and then when chasing a game we bring on richie and Moura. Davies should not be starting, lenglet came on and created arguably our best chance which I do not understand how dier did not score. Son shouldn’t be starting currently so should be an option of the bench when chasing the game.

we all know we have big issues, we are going after the right players, we aren’t wasting money as we are saving it to bring in the players conte wants which is exactly what we should be doing. I’m sure next season we’ll have at least 5/6 new players, plus will have moved on a lot of those who people want gone.

Give conte time give him patience and stop having some sense of entitlement that we deserve to win every game. I get that the football isn’t the best but again it takes time and patience to get the players to play how conte wants us to play.

I watched inter yesterday and what stood out was they played some lovely football and that the only players who get into their side are probably our forwards, maybe bentacur? We need to keep investing and keep giving him time.