Standing still while rivals improve

[Xeeleeyid]

Agreed but I would say that was down to injuries but in my view all three players are very good squad players. If these guys go we definitely need replacements of higher quality. I guess you could argue Wanyama replaces Bentaleb and to some extent Mason. We just don`t feel stronger to me but a couple of signings could change that..

For a side that plays a 2 pivot central midfield with a DM and then a box-to-box/link player, we're always going to have 4 senior players then youth to cover. We have Dier/Wanyama/Dembele as senior first-teamers, then Winks/Onomah coming through. I think the thought is that Alli long-term may drop into there in a more Gerrard/Lampard type role than he is playing at the moment. That leaves probably Mason/Carroll and Mason was the one we could command a decent fee for, so for the time being it looks like Carroll might be the 4th senior player. I don't honestly think it's bad at all for a manager that prefers a small squad with depth covered by youth.

 

[Xeeleeyid]

Has Nkoudou signed ? Looks like we may have shipped out Pritchard, Yeidlin, Mason, Bentaleb, Chadli and Son by the end of the window. A mystery over Wimmer too. I can only imagine we must have at least 2 more players about to sign in the next 2 days , or we will arguably be weaker at the end of the window than at the start. I wouldn't even count Nkoudou in that even if he signs since it is basically like for like with Clinton leaving.

Son is leaving? Wouldn't be so sure about that. What's the mystery over Wimmer? I think you're just making stuff up now. Pritchard, Yedlin, Chadli, Mason, Bentaleb were always for the chop this summer, everyone agreed this would be the case at eh start of the summer and I think people are just going apesh** over nothing as usual.

 

[Khilari]

You ain't got a clue mate with respect.

Is your post meant to represent irony?

We was bigger than both Man C and Chelsea for most of history and competed with Man U (heard of gazza) and regularly beating the Transfer record.

I think Levy needs to jog on once our capex projects are done and we need to go back to becoming a football club first. Another net transfer surplus is a piss take.

We used to have the biggest sponsorship deals - why ? Because we competed.

Times do and have changed. Forest win the European Cup, as did Villa. Liverpool dominated for a decade. Man Utd began their run of success just as money began flooding into the game and it became a more global sport with spread of the Internet and it took two sugar daddies to break that grip.
Spurs may be selling but until then, we are trying to compete whilst running this as a viable business and create a largely privately funded stadium. You have to accept that times move on. You need to too!

 

[Amo]

What he means I think is that he'd rather we spent £30m on a Liverpool flop in Benteke rather than £17m on 22 year old Eiredivisie top scorer Janssen and £20m on Bolasie rather than £11m on Nkoudou and would probably rather we spent £30m on Fabian Delph than £11m on Wanyama, because well, because that is what it sounds like he wants to do, because yes we might have spent a load on average players, but at least he wouldn't have be moaning about Levy not spending money, even though we don't have to spend the same amount as we actually use our scouts and analysis departments to find good players at good prices.

Nope that's not what I mean at all. Try again.

 

[Xeeleeyid]

Nope that's not what I mean at all. Try again.

You said we can't compete with Crystal Palace. By that I take it to mean you would rather we have made their transfer deals than the ones we have made. What OTHER POSSIBLE meaning could have been read into your post?

Can't be the on-pitch performances of both clubs
Can't be the infrastructure improvements both clubs are making
The only POSSIBLE thing you could read into your post that we can't compete with Crystal Palace, is that you'd rather have spent £50m on Andros Townsend and Cristian Benteke than spend £28m on Janssen and Wanyama.

 

[Amo]

You said we can't compete with Crystal Palace. By that I take it to mean you would rather we have made their transfer deals than the ones we have made. What OTHER POSSIBLE meaning could have been read into your post?

Can't be the on-pitch performances of both clubs
Can't be the infrastructure improvements both clubs are making
The only POSSIBLE thing you could read into your post that we can't compete with Crystal Palace, is that you'd rather have spent £50m on Andros Townsend and Cristian Benteke than spend £28m on Janssen and Wanyama.

What I mean is that they can, and we seemingly can't. Many people act like we're the only club in the league that can't feasibly improve its first team. And regarding Wanyama and Jansenn, both of them filled squad gaps that should never have existed for so long in the first place. And both are squad players. We're actively trying to sell more than half of our bench while replacing them with academy players. Did you see our bench on Saturday?

Oh and the issue isn't big money players. The signing of Dier excited me as much as the potential signing of Isco.

 

[arunspurs]

Leicester apparently agreed for a double deal with Sporting - Slimani & Adrien Silva for 46m£....

They are rightly investing heavily this year. Pains for me to say that we are being outclassed by Leicester in market

 

[DIEHARD]

Im not really clued up ln the financial circumstances around the stadium costs etc. I was under the impression that the majority of the stadium was being financed by the potential sale of naming rights etc? Also most of the surrounding area has already been purchased etc which means we dont owe that money anymore... i would also hazard a guess that the assumptions used for the costings of the stadium wouldnt have factored in the increase in tv money nor cl money

So the question is i have and abruptly put...

Where the fuck is the money?

Im simply asking a question as i am definitely missing something and apologies if im being dumb in this instance.

 

[JayB]

Clearing space for a Dembele alternative would have been fine had we had this alternative in to actually play the games Demeble has missed. Even if we do sign one (not likely at this point) he will cover for 1 game and then Moose is back. If Winks is being entrusted to be this player, and by the clear out it appears this way, then why are we not playing him?

Seems like we are throwing all of our eggs into the basket of the last few days of the window, again

I agree for the most part but a Dembele backup would have been necessary even if he hadn't been suspended in the first place. We need cover for him in case of injury as well as to he able to rotate him for CL matches.

 

[Mullers]

We have not stood still. Our problem is Eriksen, Kane and Alli not turning up to the party yet this term.
Janssen has improved our attacking options and Wanyama has added depth ( although I have a horrible feeling Dier will be the one to make way once Dembele is back )

If our players can find some form then we'll be fine although our depth looks poor right now. It looks like Son and N'Jie were a waste of money, cheers Mitch, and Chadli is off too. Surely we cannot rely on the likes of Onomah, Edwards and co to have an impact this season?

A lot of us are pining for someone to add some spark in the final third, which I think we've needed for a while now. I'd like to see someone brought in who has great technique. Our recent acquisitions seem like they would struggle to trap a bag of cement at times! Mitchell seemed to like players with this fault for some reason! Batshuayi and N'Koudou ( who is very much a 'meh' target imo, he'll likely be getting shipped out this time next year after failing to impress ) fall in to that category too, hardly 'ballers' and it's all about pace and physicality.

Hold on a minute, Poch gave the ok to these transfers, he had Stambouli and got rid of him after one season , the regime got the blame for that one and people said it would be different under Mitchell.
Son had a decent first season, the injury halted his flying start ,it was looking like he would be a fan favorite. N'jie had an injury hit season but he showed some promise. There are rumors now that Wimmer is for sale , Poch is escaping scrutiny at the moment but the finger should be pointed at him also.

 

[dannythomas]

We should all be thrilled because if Mason goes too then Levy will have balanced the books again. And we've saved on Bentaleb's wages.

 

[Xeeleeyid]

What I mean is that they can, and we seemingly can't. Many people act like we're the only club in the league that can't feasibly improve its first team. And regarding Wanyama and Jansenn, both of them filled squad gaps that should never have existed for so long in the first place. And both are squad players. We're actively trying to sell more than half of our bench while replacing them with academy players. Did you see our bench on Saturday?

Oh and the issue isn't big money players. The signing of Dier excited me as much as the potential signing of Isco.

Ok I am not ITK as far as Spurs or most football clubs but I do have family that work in football and I also worked with FIFA agents before that title was disbanded. I also spent a lot of time researching transfer deals and my uni dissertation was on the football transfer system, so I know how transfers work.

There is zero link between a club's performance and the amount spent on transfer fees. Absolutely no statistical link. Now there IS a huge link between the amount spent on wages and final league placement of football clubs. In fact statistical analysis of football performance has found that wage spend can almost precisely predict the finishing placement of most clubs in the league with an error rate of generally 2-3 places tops. This is because while a club can sanction overspending on a fee to get their man, over paying on wages is a sure fire way to bankrupt a club ala Leeds. Most club chairmen aren't willing to overspend on wages to get their man.

Wages are generally the biggest outlay of any club. They still are. Wages dictate more than transfer fees what bracket of club a player will end up at.

What is Spurs' biggest ever transfer commitment to date? Lamela is down as our record signing but Adebayor is still by far our biggest financial commitment we have ever entered into. VDV and Scott Parker aren't far behind.

What I'm trying to get across is that a club's biggest BY FAR commitment on a player is wage bill and bonuses.

So back in the days when we paid big transfer fees of the time on the likes of Darren Bent, they were on relatively low wages so the overall outlay as a club wasn't as much as we pay out now even though we had a large "Net spend".

People are wondering where our TV money has gone compared to the likes of Crystal Palace and West Ham? I'd invite the various gentlemen wondering these things to look no further than the new deal handed out to Harry Kane, the new deals being negotiated with Eriksen and Lamela, the new deal signed by Wimmer. Levy has made a policy of signing younger players but rewarding good performances with new deals. We will always command huge fees for our players as we always tie them down to long term contracts.

We pay the 5th or 6th highest wage in England. As when we qualified for the CL in 2009, a huge chunk of our budget will be eaten up in bonuses paid to other clubs and players and agents for qualification for the CL.

Our money is being largely pumped into signing our best players to large long-term contracts and in making sure we get highly coveted young players like Janssen and NKoudou to choose us over many other suitors. These days, the transfer fee is often the last thing to be negotiated and reading between the lines NKoudou accepted our terms way back in June and told Marseille the only club he was interested in was us. That comes from a large wage offer. You reckon we can't compete with Palace financially but why do you think Zaha wants to join us? We pay far higher wages than Palace and will continue to do so. Incidentally wage ceiling is the real block preventing us from taking on Chelsea, City, Man U and Arsenal and we will only compete with them when the new stadium is complete and our turnover increases significantly as a,result.

To summarise, we look for players who due to their situation are available for low fees but whose quality and demand will demand high wages. We also commit huge amounts of money on our best existing players.

 

[dontcallme]

What I mean is that they can, and we seemingly can't. Many people act like we're the only club in the league that can't feasibly improve its first team. And regarding Wanyama and Jansenn, both of them filled squad gaps that should never have existed for so long in the first place. And both are squad players. We're actively trying to sell more than half of our bench while replacing them with academy players. Did you see our bench on Saturday?

Oh and the issue isn't big money players. The signing of Dier excited me as much as the potential signing of Isco.

But surely you can see it is more difficult to improve than some teams?

When Arnesen took over we quickly went from 12th to 5th by buying cheap foreigners like Pamarot, Edman, Pedro Mendes etc and the Championship for the likes of Carrick, Lennon and Routledge. We bought sensibly, improved on the pitch and didn't break the bank.

Move forwards and we have a very talented squad.

In goal we have the France number 1 and Vorm who showed his quality at the weekend.

We have England's first choice full backs and are ably backed up by Trippier and Davies 2 players who are youngish and already performed well in the Prem.

In centre back we have two Belgian internationals who last season martialled our back line to have the joint best defensive record in the league. They are backed up by Wimmer and Dier 2 young internationals already performing to a good level in the league.

In the deep lying midfield position we have Dier an England starter, Dembelea £15m Belgian internanational, Wanyama a highly rated midifeld destroyer and Alli a young England international who won PFA young player of the year and was in the Prem Team of the year.

Upfront we have last season's golden boot winners in the Prem and Dutch league.

The only issue we are having is finding the right mix in attacking midfield but you can't say we haven't tried. We have a £30m Argentian star, Eriken a very highly rated Danish international, Son a £22m South Korean internanational with 4 excellent years in Germany behind him, Njie a £12m Cameroonian international

Then we have all the young players trying to break through. It is too early toknow if we have another young player ready to break through this season to the level Kane, Alli and Dier all have.

So in summary I don't believe we are not ambitious, we are strong in all areas but we need an extra attacking midfielder. If Son and Njie had both hit the ground running this wouldn't be an issue but we can't blame the board or transfer committee for that.

 

[mickdale]

Im not really clued up ln the financial circumstances around the stadium costs etc. I was under the impression that the majority of the stadium was being financed by the potential sale of naming rights etc? Also most of the surrounding area has already been purchased etc which means we dont owe that money anymore... i would also hazard a guess that the assumptions used for the costings of the stadium wouldnt have factored in the increase in tv money nor cl money

So the question is i have and abruptly put...

Where the fuck is the money?

Im simply asking a question as i am definitely missing something and apologies if im being dumb in this instance.

You honestly think the stadium will be payed for by naming rights???????????

 

[DIEHARD]

You honestly think the stadium will be payed for by naming rights???????????

I said majority... i also said that with the buying of the land etc that has also been accounted and paid for as far as im aware... which im sure is incorporated into the costs.

 

[yiddopaul]

Leicester apparently agreed for a double deal with Sporting - Slimani & Adrien Silva for 46m£....

They are rightly investing heavily this year. Pains for me to say that we are being outclassed by Leicester in market

Yeah, it's amazing really. We have no excuse. Especially as Leicester also have a £500m stadium to build.

 

[trasores]

we have let go Chadli, Yedlin, Pritchard, Fazio & Bentaleb so far with the potential sales of Mason and Caroll.

now of those 7 players only Chadli, Bentaleb and Mason actually played and chadli annoyed most people with his ability to slow down a counter attack too a crawl.

so thats 3 players down (not including Son) and we have replaced 3 midfielders with Wanyama.

we are actually weaker than last year and need at least 3 more players IMO

 

[Japhet]

My personal theory is that CL is more of an obsession with the fans than it is with Daniel Levy - for the time being. There will be an expectation from players that wages and bonuses will increase if we continue to make the top 4 and the CL and it will put a huge strain on finances until we have a bigger stadium and a revenue stream that can cope. With that in mind, we are concentrating our efforts on a small squad and are looking to ship out any injury prone players (Pritchard, N'Jie, Mason Bentaleb and maybe Son) to keep a reliable and usable playing staff. It isn't a case of not paying the transfer fees but more a case of not being able to afford pay rises and bonuses for the players we currently have. I expect all of this to change once we have the new stadium and revenue to match our ambitions.

 

[McArchibald]

My personal theory is that CL is more of an obsession with the fans than it is with Daniel Levy - for the time being. There will be an expectation from players that wages and bonuses will increase if we continue to make the top 4 and the CL and it will put a huge strain on finances until we have a bigger stadium and a revenue stream that can cope. With that in mind, we are concentrating our efforts on a small squad and are looking to ship out any injury prone players (Pritchard, N'Jie, Mason Bentaleb and maybe Son) to keep a reliable and usable playing staff. It isn't a case of not paying the transfer fees but more a case of not being able to afford pay rises and bonuses for the players we currently have. I expect all of this to change once we have the new stadium and revenue to match our ambitions.

It should be the obsession of every self respecting football club. On field succes is what we play for in the first place. It's just that 16 years of Levy has made people lose track of the big picture. We've lived with zero net-spend, squad trimming and outgoings before incomings for so long that we forget that there are many other ways to run a club - by just bringing in the best players you can possibly get and going all-out for silverware.

Ambition? The only abition Levy has is to line his own pockets and to take as much money out of the club as he possibly can when he and Lewis eventually sell up. They have no sporting ambition whatsoeverand they fart in the face of those at the club who do - hence all the staff jumping ship...

 

[millsey]

Leicester apparently agreed for a double deal with Sporting - Slimani & Adrien Silva for 46m£....

They are rightly investing heavily this year. Pains for me to say that we are being outclassed by Leicester in market

You mean being outspent by the premier league champions though