Stick with Ramos. Or...

[flatback4]

Seems maybe it comes down to a simple choice.

Do you look at our position in the table; our crumbling morale; our clueless team selection; decide it's all Ramos fault and kick him out ? This means history will repeat itself for the umpteenth time - a new manager arrives in the autumn and spends the season building a new team/trying to keep us afloat. (And who will succeed where all the others have failed ?)

or

Grit our teeth. Accept Ramos is absolutely the real deal and even if we get relegated, he's the one who will - given a chance - ultimately pull things round ? (After all, even Fergie took a few seasons to get going at Utd).

Personally, I genuinely don't know. The endless manager changing has achieved nothing (OK - a CC) - but nothing I've seen so far with Ramos gives me any real encouragement. But I do think the Board panicked at the start of last season and were too quick to dump Jol.

 

[DOX]

I concur..

 

[fozzi44]

funny how all the jol protecters come out of the woodwork now. This time last year u were all calling for his head.

Stick with Ramos he will sort us out.

 

[johnmc]

I was as I have said many times in the jol camp. But he has gone, we just have to stick with Ramos. We have to live in the present, and I would say Ramos is our best bet to get us out of the mire. I hope sincerely that I am right.

 

[onthetwo]

I think its simpler than that - Levy will stick with Ramos while we are less than a few wins away from getting out of the relegation places. Any more than that and he will bite the bullet which is when it gets scary from a financial perspective as there's the cost of firing Ramos, the cost of replacing him and if it doesnt work (God forbid) the lost revs from relegation. Thats when we need our Billionare sugar-daddy to come through and save the day or we run a very serious risk of becoming Leeds II.

 

[archiewasking]

The problem is that if you get rid of Ramos without giving him a real chance, you start to look at the Tottenham hot seat as almost as poisoned a chalice as Newcastle.

And suppose we did sack him, what then?

Who would be the next "right man" for the job?

Teddy Sheringham, untried in management?
Glenn Hoddle, who had his chance and blew it?
Kevin Keegan, since he is available (just a little joke, guys!)

Harry Redknapp, whose own team has had a pretty indifferent start, although they did win the FA cup last season, would be one obvious contender. Given his Wet Spam past, though, would we fickle fans take him to our hearts?

Steve Bruce? David Moyes? (I quite like this idea) Mark Hughes? (though now he can play Fantasy Football for real, rather unlikely)

Get Martin Jol back on cringing, bended knees? Much as I love Martin, we had stagnated and he didn't seem to have more than limited tactical nous. And with our desperation for the holy grail of fourth place or above, Martin wouldn't get us there.

My own choice, if we were stupid enough to make Ramos walk the plank, would be Martin O' Neill. Unfortunately, he's doing such a good job with the Villains, Martin wouldn't come to our soap opera in a million years.

The only other kind of left field suggestion I could make would be Roy Keane, starting to get frustrated at Sunderland. I can't imagine for a second he would put up with the apparent lack of passion for a second.

Our best bet is to grit our teeth and see it through to January, get in the defensive midfielder hard man we need to protect the back four and a top class centre back who can give us the consistency of performance and appearences that Ledley no longer can, and review the whole situation again at season's end.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Changing manager again would just make this another season of 'transition'. Where the new manager needs time to impose their style and brings in even more new players. We don't need that its partly why we find ourself in this position now. Changing managers and players everytime you go through a bad spell is not the way to go, I mean look at the shambles Newcastle are in!!

 

[Phate]

I think its simpler than that - Levy will stick with Ramos while we are less than a few wins away from getting out of the relegation places. Any more than that and he will bite the bullet which is when it gets scary from a financial perspective as there's the cost of firing Ramos, the cost of replacing him and if it doesnt work (God forbid) the lost revs from relegation. Thats when we need our Billionare sugar-daddy to come through and save the day or we run a very serious risk of becoming Leeds II.

Think we haven't burnt our financial bridges as they did

 

[Michey]

Stick with Ramos he will sort us out.

have some rep for behaving like a sane person with some nerves for gettin' it right. :up:

It takes time kids....especially when our 2 best players have been sold...and not replaced.

 

[Dougal]

funny how all the jol protecters come out of the woodwork now. This time last year u were all calling for his head.

Stick with Ramos he will sort us out.

I backed Jol and I now back Ramos because as this thread has pointed out the biggest thing lacking from Spurs in recent years, apart from trophies, is consistency. I've had 25 years of turmoil and upheaval, I want the club to settle down and get on with the business of winning matches.

 

[teddyboy]

Seems maybe it comes down to a simple choice.

Do you look at our position in the table; our crumbling morale; our clueless team selection; decide it's all Ramos fault and kick him out ? This means history will repeat itself for the umpteenth time - a new manager arrives in the autumn and spends the season building a new team/trying to keep us afloat. (And who will succeed where all the others have failed ?)

or

Grit our teeth. Accept Ramos is absolutely the real deal and even if we get relegated, he's the one who will - given a chance - ultimately pull things round ? (After all, even Fergie took a few seasons to get going at Utd).

Personally, I genuinely don't know. The endless manager changing has achieved nothing (OK - a CC) - but nothing I've seen so far with Ramos gives me any real encouragement. But I do think the Board panicked at the start of last season and were too quick to dump Jol.

To suggest that Ramos will still be with us even if we get relegated is laughable. A pinch of reality is required from time to time. Levy craves the so called instant success that others do as well, which is probably the reason why we find ourselves at the foot of the table.

Levy Out..!!

 

[PT]

It would be a feat in itself to find we still have the Manager after three years - in fact knocking on a Premiership record for us.

 

[mil1lion]

I expect Ramos will have until January to prove himself. We'll see where we are in the new year before we should make judgement. Its a bloody long season, and its not as if we ever start the season off great either. We have plenty of time to get things right, and i wish people wouldn't keep mentioning the League Table at this stage of the season. We have a new team. No new manager is going to be in a different situation as Ramos anyway. The players wont suddenly start linking up together. In fact, it will be a lot worse if we bring in a new manager now. Especially for those players that signed because of Ramos.

What Ramos is building here is going to take time. But i truly believe that the end result will be well worth it. That the bad start to this season will seem a distant memory come May of next year. And that we'll be playing some of the best attacking football in the League come the new year.

 

[teddyboy]

The newspapers are suggesting he has just 4 games left. If he dosen't get a win within those 4 games I think he'll be packing his bags...

 

[st@rbug]

Nah we have to stick with him. Who would we get in, and what could he do anyway? Its not as if he can go out and buy players is it. We got rid of Jol too fast and look where we are now, worse off. We are just gonna have to get through this, and hope the team improves. Forget the Uefa cup next season though, no chance.

 

[roosh]

what is absolutely essential at spurs is giving a manager time and the support over a minimum of 5yrs, to make his mark. 5yrs should be time enough to assemble a team and get them playing close to what you want. i would prefer to see a manager installed and given the longevity that Ferguson has enjoyed at unite, Wenger has at Arsenal, and Benitez is getting at Liverpool.

Whether we do that now with Ramos or get a new manager in, there will have to come a point where a manager is simply given time. Otherwise our current position will constantly be maintained.

I think there also has to be some changes made at board level, in terms of transfer policy & negotiating player deals e.g. longer contracts & perhaps increased wages. But first and foremost, whenever it happens, some manager is going to have to be given time!

Again, as i have said before, a lot of this may depend on how the fans react. If we can accept that this season will be little more than a transitional one, where we neither challenge for a trophy or a european place through the league, then we will take some of the pressure off the players, the manager and the board. It will mean that we will not start calling for peoples heads after getting knocked out of a cup or a dismal league finish.

Personally, premiership survival - preferably without a last day houdini act - would be acceptable this season. Obviously there would have to be an improvement in personnel and results the following season

 

[biggsyboy]

Jol is starting to look like a master tactician. rumour is that he has already lost the dressing room. players dont know if they are playing and worst still dont know WHERE they will be playing. rotation is ok when you are winning, but fiddling about when you are getting beaten aint so good. 5Live said that Villa have played exactly the same team for every league match this season. it seems that the board room fkd up in not getting arshavin as Pavs partner and holding on to Berba way too long!

 

[eddiebailey]

You give a manager time if you are convinced you have the right man, as Everton did with Moyes and as we should have done with Jol. Based on Ramos performance as Spurs manager to date I have seen more cause for concern than conviction. Support for Ramos seems based on his past reputation and on an unwillingness on the part of those calling for his appointment to admit that they called it wrong.

If Ramos can get through the next four games with a shred of respectability it should earn him survival, but whether that is in the best long term interests of the club remains to be seen.

I do not see the point of promoting Poyet, who is too associated with our current poor form. I would prefer to see Allen appointed caretaker.

 

[mil1lion]

Nah we have to stick with him. Who would we get in, and what could he do anyway? Its not as if he can go out and buy players is it. We got rid of Jol too fast and look where we are now, worse off. We are just gonna have to get through this, and hope the team improves. Forget the Uefa cup next season though, no chance.

I agree with the first part. But for the bold part, i'm sure you would have said the same last season. Besides, theres always the fair play League :wink: And with the lack of bite in our team at the moment, it wouldn't surprise me if we finish top in that.

 

[midoNdefoe]

You give a manager time if you are convinced you have the right man, as Everton did with Moyes and as we should have done with Jol. Based on Ramos performance as Spurs manager to date I have seen more cause for concern than conviction. Support for Ramos seems based on his past reputation and on an unwillingness on the part of those calling for his appointment to admit that they called it wrong.

If Ramos can get through the next four games with a shred of respectability it should earn him survival, but whether that is in the best long term interests of the club remains to be seen.

I do not see the point of promoting Poyet, who is too associated with our current poor form. I would prefer to see Allen appointed caretaker.

Who would we get in? Don't really understand what you would be hoping to achieve by sackin ramos and appointing Allen??
Am still holding hope that you are being sarcastic, but it is very subtle if you are.

IMO we need to stick with ramos till at least xmas'09. Then start to judge whether he is the man to take us forward in the long term.