Summer 2022 Window Scouting Thread

[Montalbano]

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Is Bissouma that much better than Grillitsch who will be out of contract? I think he's a typical Conte player. Bissouma also has the Court case hanging over him.

Yes, Bissouma is on a different level to Grillitsch in almost every aspect of the game. And Grillitsch is playing CB for Hoffenheim now.

Grillitsch has never stood out as a midfielder to me even in the Bundesliga, which I feel is currently massively inferior in quality to the Premier League. Versus Bissouma who has become one of the Premier League’s top midfielders.

I feel pretty strongly that Bissouma will end up at an elite club and Grillitsch will not, despite being a free agent. Unless maybe a top club sees Grillitsch as a CB option, I just don’t he’s a good enough midfielder to play at the top level.

 

[EQP]

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Yes, Bissouma is on a different level to Grillitsch in almost every aspect of the game. And Grillitsch is playing CB for Hoffenheim now.

I feel pretty strongly that Bissouma will end up at an elite club and Grillitsch will not, despite being a free agent. Unless maybe a top club sees Grillitsch as a CB option, I just don’t he’s a good enough midfielder to play at the top level.

Wouldn't go that far, he's one those players who at worst will give you a 6.5/10 performance on his worst day. Better with the ball than PEH and Winks and significantly stronger defensively( tackling, blocking passing lanes and intercepting the ball with his long legs) than both of them as well. If we're looking to build a squad to challenge on multiple fronts, Florian on a free and Bissouma would go a long way in making us competitive.

 

[EQP]

Is Bissouma that much better than Grillitsch who will be out of contract? I think he's a typical Conte player. Bissouma also has the Court case hanging over him.

He is but only because Bissouma is a really good CM and less about Florian having any significant weaknesses/deficiencies. Both would great additions to the team and offer Conte significant tactical flexibility.

 

[curlacious]

Just remembered Martinelli signed for Arsenal on the same day we brought in Tanguy.

Oh how I laughed.

Oh how wrong I was.

 

[Japhet]

He is but only because Bissouma is a really good CM and less about Florian having any significant weaknesses/deficiencies. Both would great additions to the team and offer Conte significant tactical flexibility.

Grillitsch just strikes me as a typical Conte type player who is a proper grafter and model pro and who Conte could definitely work with. Bissouma has the Court case hanging over him and some long standing concerns over his behaviour in such issues. Chuck in a hefty transfer fee versus a Bosman and that was really the root of my question.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Is Bissouma that much better than Grillitsch who will be out of contract? I think he's a typical Conte player. Bissouma also has the Court case hanging over him.

Premier League proven, more athletic and much less of a risk imo (court case aside obviously).

I think he would really go up a level playing alongside better players too.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

noise about Depay offer going in, any ITK's know anything?

I honestly don't get the Depay link if its true, and it probably is. I really don't see him as a Conte player, his work rate has always been suspect and he has a tendency to hang on to the ball too long. Theres no doubt he has quality and his numbers this season are impressive considering he's spent most of the season out injured but personally i think he greatly benefits from playing in less intense leagues were he has more time and space on the ball. I wonder, despite playing on different sides, if Depay is an alternative to Dybala.

 

[Guntz]

Romano just poo-pooed the Depay rumour on his podcast FWIW.

 

[joey55]

Sander Berge is 24 now and not exaclty setting the world alight in the Championship, yet I stil think he's the one we should sign for CM. Either investing so much money in a head coach and world class training ground works or it doesn't. Surely the idea is that it's very hard to find the finished article players that can compete with City and Liverpool, so we give ourselves a chance by finding players who have all the tools, but need the right environment to display them.

I also think we should still consider Max Aarons, who is yet again struggling in the Prem. I just think his game is way more suited to a rwb role, as opposed to a rb. In the same way Conte used Victor Moses and wanted Traore, to play rwb, because their attributes suggested they'd do well there, I think the same is true of Aarons. He's a really technically gifted player, but he's not dynamic enough to be a winger or physical enough to be a rb. His stock has fallen greatly, but I think in a team, where he'd see more of the ball and in a position better suited to his attributes, he's a potential gem.

I can't see Wolves letting us sign Morgan Gibbs White, which is a shame, as I think he's got massive potential. But maybe we could tempt Palace to sell Eze. He's a gamble as he's not playing, but how much of that is because he can't get back to full fitness/sharpness, as he doesn't get a run in the team and he doesn't get a run in the team as he's not fit or sharp enough?

 

[King of the Lane]

Romano just poo-pooed the Depay rumour on his podcast FWIW.

This is one I am not bothered about at all. The link didn't excite me in the slightest.

 

[mr ashley]

Bissouma did this though

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Bissouma did this though

Pity he's (allegedly) a bit rapey, though.

 

[Tottenham_God]

Sander Berge is 24 now and not exaclty setting the world alight in the Championship, yet I stil think he's the one we should sign for CM. Either investing so much money in a head coach and world class training ground works or it doesn't. Surely the idea is that it's very hard to find the finished article players that can compete with City and Liverpool, so we give ourselves a chance by finding players who have all the tools, but need the right environment to display them.

I also think we should still consider Max Aarons, who is yet again struggling in the Prem. I just think his game is way more suited to a rwb role, as opposed to a rb. In the same way Conte used Victor Moses and wanted Traore, to play rwb, because their attributes suggested they'd do well there, I think the same is true of Aarons. He's a really technically gifted player, but he's not dynamic enough to be a winger or physical enough to be a rb. His stock has fallen greatly, but I think in a team, where he'd see more of the ball and in a position better suited to his attributes, he's a potential gem.

I can't see Wolves letting us sign Morgan Gibbs White, which is a shame, as I think he's got massive potential. But maybe we could tempt Palace to sell Eze. He's a gamble as he's not playing, but how much of that is because he can't get back to full fitness/sharpness, as he doesn't get a run in the team and he doesn't get a run in the team as he's not fit or sharp enough?

Given several other options seemingly available Phillips, Neves etc, why are you advocating for Berge? What is it about his game you like?

 

[mr ashley]

Pity he's (allegedly) a bit rapey, though.

ok good point.

 

[joey55]

Given several other options seemingly available Phillips, Neves etc, why are you advocating for Berge? What is it about his game you like?

I would say with Philips and Neves you know you are getting good players, but at the same time you know their ceiling is such that they are never going to be Modric or Dembele quality, which is what we really need to compete at the top. Berge plays at a lower level and even at that level hasn't performed that well. But, he's tall, strong, got a great engine, can surge forward with the ball, scores goals and has a good range of passing. Unlike so many CM's playing at a higher level and to a better standard, he has the potential to be a complete midfielder. If we stick with the examples of Neves and Philips, they just don't have the physcial attributes to be box to box players. They can both pass the ball around well, but are never going to dominate games week in week out, like Dembele was doing for us, when we were challenging at the top. I'm definitely not against signing players like Philips and Neves, as I think we could easily sign a couple, as Winks should go and Holjberg can be upgraded upon. But I want us to sign someone who has the attributes to be world class. Usually those players are easily identifiable and cost a fortune, but I'm not sure we are in a positon to buy or even attract those players. So I think we need to look at players that have the attributes, but for whatever reason, never developed their game fully by the time they were in their early twenties, like Van Dijk or Kante.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Just love Antony, every time I watch Ajax he always stands out. I know he’s prob too expensive and too in demand but would be a fantastic addition. Ajax are such a exciting team to watch. Love their tactics and really play with no fear. Really really hope Ten Hag doesn’t end up at Utd.

 

[Tottenham_God]

I would say with Philips and Neves you know you are getting good players, but at the same time you know their ceiling is such that they are never going to be Modric or Dembele quality, which is what we really need to compete at the top. Berge plays at a lower level and even at that level hasn't performed that well. But, he's tall, strong, got a great engine, can surge forward with the ball, scores goals and has a good range of passing. Unlike so many CM's playing at a higher level and to a better standard, he has the potential to be a complete midfielder. If we stick with the examples of Neves and Philips, they just don't have the physcial attributes to be box to box players. They can both pass the ball around well, but are never going to dominate games week in week out, like Dembele was doing for us, when we were challenging at the top. I'm definitely not against signing players like Philips and Neves, as I think we could easily sign a couple, as Winks should go and Holjberg can be upgraded upon. But I want us to sign someone who has the attributes to be world class. Usually those players are easily identifiable and cost a fortune, but I'm not sure we are in a positon to buy or even attract those players. So I think we need to look at players that have the attributes, but for whatever reason, never developed their game fully by the time they were in their early twenties, like Van Dijk or Kante.

Yes, i see.

So you're going for the "potential, Conte could Improve Berge drastically approach." Opposed to signing a player you know what you're gonna get from.

To steel man the Phillips or Neves idea, I would personally say they too have room to improve and be better then they are right now. And I believe they are all of the same age, around 24.

 

[Gbspurs]

I would say with Philips and Neves you know you are getting good players, but at the same time you know their ceiling is such that they are never going to be Modric or Dembele quality, which is what we really need to compete at the top. Berge plays at a lower level and even at that level hasn't performed that well. But, he's tall, strong, got a great engine, can surge forward with the ball, scores goals and has a good range of passing. Unlike so many CM's playing at a higher level and to a better standard, he has the potential to be a complete midfielder. If we stick with the examples of Neves and Philips, they just don't have the physcial attributes to be box to box players. They can both pass the ball around well, but are never going to dominate games week in week out, like Dembele was doing for us, when we were challenging at the top. I'm definitely not against signing players like Philips and Neves, as I think we could easily sign a couple, as Winks should go and Holjberg can be upgraded upon. But I want us to sign someone who has the attributes to be world class. Usually those players are easily identifiable and cost a fortune, but I'm not sure we are in a positon to buy or even attract those players. So I think we need to look at players that have the attributes, but for whatever reason, never developed their game fully by the time they were in their early twenties, like Van Dijk or Kante.

The attributes you are lauding for Berge are the reason we are in this mess. Not signing footballers because of their ability but instead looking at their height, strength, work rate etc.

 

[Tottenham_God]

The attributes you are lauding for Berge are the reason we are in this mess. Not signing footballers because of their ability but instead looking at their height, strength, work rate etc.

I have no issues with Signing a player like Berge persay, if he is a bit of a project and or squad player on the cheap. But I wouldn't expect him to come slot straight into a CM position. Where as with Phillips, Neves, Bissouma I would.

 

[Guntz]

Conte would resign on the spot if we signed Sander Berge

We need to sign players who will IMPROVE the first 11 - not more squad fillers who we'll struggle to shift in 1-2 seasons time.