Summer transfer wish list - 2018

[coys200]

Dembele 32 appearances 0 goals 0 assists I’m actually shocked. Thought he had at least a couple Of assists.

 

[coys200]

Well he is still a CM but more defensive. But it’s Dembele I’m really shocked about. The return from our entire CM area is pathetic.

 

[Ossie85]

I really don't get this new thing about judging a player for his stats. Football is not the NHL

For instance, a simple pass in midfield to a player that then dribbles past 3 players and scores, counts as an assist.

The only stats that should count are the number of goals for a striker, and the goals conceded for a defense. The rest are not a fair representation of what happens.

 

[rossdapep]

Sorry, but that's just your opinion. The "truth" here is subjective. Maybe you know Malcom but you don't know Lucas that much.
I completely disagree he looks for a pass rather than a dribble.

How do you know I don't know Lucas that much? Lots of presumptions being made here.

 

[Ossie85]

Im sorry you've lost me. Picking the lock is exactly what he's doing this season, hence the 15 passes directly resulting in goals!

Most of those are simple passes that Kane transformed into goal with his own ability, not because Alli left him open.
The 7 assist by Trippier are more valuable imo

 

[coys200]

I really don't get this new thing about judging a player for his stats. Football is not the NHL

For instance, a simple pass in midfield to a player that then dribbles past 3 players and scores, counts as an assist.

The only stats that should count are the number of goals for a striker, and the goals conceded for a defense. The rest are not a fair representation of what happens.

Sorry but Liverpool are adding a CM in Keita that’s averaging 10 goals and 10 assists a season that would make a massive difference to us that’s 20 extra goals that’s huge.

 

[coys200]

Our whole CM unit this season without sissoko who’s really AM has offered 2 goals 3 assists sorry but that’s pathetic.

 

[Ossie85]

How do you know I don't know Lucas that much? Lots of presumptions being made here.

I didn't make any presumption. I said maybe that's what makes our opinions different.
At least I talk about opinions. You talk about truths, as if you had the absolute truth about a subjective topic as this one.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

If we are playing the who goes, who stays game...

Alderweireld can go as long as Poch plucks up the courage to tell Dier he's not a CM. Rose can fuck off and stink out Mourinho's dressing room. Nkoudou can go. China isn't far enough for Sissoko.

CM's, cm's, cm's cm's. I want at least two CM's.
Dier's terrible. Dembele plays about 5 great games a season and three of them only last 60 minutes. I don't think Poch is ever going to give Onomah what he needs to prove good enough or not, and even if he was prepared to give Winks a better shot, I'm not convinced Winks will ever be top drawer. But I'd be happy of we kept either of these two around as well.

And I would like some composure and brains for the final third. Fekir, Draxler, Forsberg, Di Maria. Lamela, Alli, Son, Moura are all too erratic and unreliable. If we have to lose one of them to make way, I'd probably go for Lamela.

 

[rossdapep]

I didn't make any presumption. I said maybe that's what makes our opinions different.
At least I talk about opinions. You talk about truths, as if you had the absolute truth about a subjective topic as this one.

Yet in every one of your posts you talk as if your stating facts. Shutting down othee ppls opinions. As for presumptions you said "you don't know Lucas".

Seen as I lived in Brazil for 4 years, have friends who know the styles of these players, listen to pundits in Brazil talk about them, then yeah I've got a pretty good understanding of what these players are like.

You've got a funny way of debating it.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

The only stats that should count are the number of goals for a striker, and the goals conceded for a defense. The rest are not a fair representation of what happens.

Not sure I could disagree more strongly - 99% of the contributions players make are about what they do when we are not scoring goals.

Even "goals for a striker" really sells Kane short for his contributions. He leads the league in scoring, and it still understates what he does to help this team win.

I posted in the Dele thread - but Son's goal last weekend - Dele helped turn the ball over, Kane takes the ball down the wing, Dele continues his run, and draws the CB out of position to cover Dele's run, Kane makes a great pass, and Sonny made a gut-busting run to hit the perfect header back across the goal. That goal does not happen without the contributions of all three players.

If you are only looking at goals - you are missing 99% of the match - because, even if the keeper had saved Son's header - it was a fantastic effort.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I really don't get this new thing about judging a player for his stats. Football is not the NHL

For instance, a simple pass in midfield to a player that then dribbles past 3 players and scores, counts as an assist.

The only stats that should count are the number of goals for a striker, and the goals conceded for a defense. The rest are not a fair representation of what happens.

I'm sorry mate, but that's a massive dumbing down of something that can actually be pretty useful. The stats just support other anecdotal evidence. Neither of our current CM's offer any real creative spark, or inject tempo, neither actually ever get into the box and help create overloads or support attacks, and when you think one of them is basically a CB playing 5 yards further up the pitch, you'd hope the other one - ie Dembele - might offer just a smidgen of that, but he doesn't. And those stats, along with others, such as players like Mooy Fraser, Ngolo Kante, Loftus Cheek, Cleverly, Tom Carroll, xhaka, Can, Henderson to name a few, all average more key passes a game than Dembele.

We desperately need a couple of CM's who contribute more to our football, set some tempo, do something incisive or creative occasionally. It's our weakest area as a team.

 

[coys200]

Yeah BC those CM stats have really shocked me. You’d be hard pressed to find a great team of recent teams that had an advanced CM that offered nothing in end product all season. The great teams had a Lampard scholes yaya. Tbh the obvious solution is to just drop Eriksen deeper. He’s the fittest player in the team covers the most ground. He really is as close to a scholes as you could get.

 

[Ossie85]

Yet in every one of your posts you talk as if your stating facts. Shutting down othee ppls opinions. As for presumptions you said "you don't know Lucas".

Seen as I lived in Brazil for 4 years, have friends who know the styles of these players, listen to pundits in Brazil talk about them, then yeah I've got a pretty good understanding of what these players are like.

You've got a funny way of debating it.

Maybe you should try and read paying attention, because this is what I said

Maybe you know Malcom but you don't know Lucas that much.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...er-wish-list-2018.131696/page-64#post-5805193

I didn't shut anyone's opinion, and I emphasize constantly that what I write is my opinion.
You said what I wrote was untrue. That's shutting down opinions and stating you opinion as fact. I even took the time to say our difference in opinion may be because of some other thing, and that it didn't mean I was lying. I now regret it. I should left you talking to yourself.

You've got a funny way of debating

I won't discuss this any longer

 

[Ossie85]

Not sure I could disagree more strongly - 99% of the contributions players make are about what they do when we are not scoring goals.

Even "goals for a striker" really sells Kane short for his contributions. He leads the league in scoring, and it still understates what he does to help this team win.

I posted in the Dele thread - but Son's goal last weekend - Dele helped turn the ball over, Kane takes the ball down the wing, Dele continues his run, and draws the CB out of position to cover Dele's run, Kane makes a great pass, and Sonny made a gut-busting run to hit the perfect header back across the goal. That goal does not happen without the contributions of all three players.

If you are only looking at goals - you are missing 99% of the match - because, even if the keeper had saved Son's header - it was a fantastic effort.

You should read the rest of the post, because you think more like me that what you are thinking.
I don't trust stats, but mentioned those 2 as the only ones I think are worth the while, even if they don't show everything you've said

 

[Ossie85]

Sorry but Liverpool are adding a CM in Keita that’s averaging 10 goals and 10 assists a season that would make a massive difference to us that’s 20 extra goals that’s huge.

Your post is exactly what I'm complaining about.
There's no 20 goals. He scored 10 goals in Germany for a certain team, and playing a certain role. That doesn't mean he'll add 10 goals or 10 assists to Liverpool's tally. It's not math

 

[Ossie85]

Would love him but do you think Manu, Chelsea, Man City or even Liverpool would sit idly by and not Gazump us?

He was on the verge of signing with us before. I think we have a good chance. Specially after he said he talked with Poch.
He's the only player that's been linked that would give us a real step up from our current level. A real improvement on our starting 11.
Sess, Malcom and the rest are very good players whom I'd like to sign, but they won't improve us right away like Isco would

 

[Bulletspur]

He was on the verge of signing with us before. I think we have a good chance. Specially after he said he talked with Poch.
He's the only player that's been linked that would give us a real step up from our current level. A real improvement on our starting 11.
Sess, Malcom and the rest are very good players whom I'd like to sign, but they won't improve us right away like Isco would

I agree with all that but I am still suffering from Willianitis

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Arturo Vidal. With Goretzka going to Bayern, Vidal is the established player we need.

Would absolutely love this signing...above any other we could make this summer.

 

[guy]

Most of those are simple passes that Kane transformed into goal with his own ability, not because Alli left him open.
The 7 assist by Trippier are more valuable imo