Taraabt vs Nasri

[DavidsSpecs]

Wasn't sure how to bring this up so figured the best way was to start a post. Please understand (before I'm berrated in my suggestion) that I'm not actually comparing the two above players. I'm asking for opinions more concrete than my own as to whether or not Taraabt is seen as a player with similar potential to a player like Nasri - how does their progress compare etc - do we also have a French star in the making on our book etc? Anyway, hoping for some good informative discussion about this if that's cool. I'm know some of you have quite a bit of knowledge about these things. Thanks

 

[Kyras]

Nasri has been doing the business for a long time, and playing first team football, Taarabt has never played 90 minutes as far as I can remember. You can never see how players are developing with the amount of gametime Adel has had. Although he's clearly a skillful player, and possesses a decent shot, it's a mystery as to why he doesn't pass; it might be because he's just trying to impress in the short space of time he's given, or he might just be a selfish player. Nasri, on the other hand, had played so many games, and has grown into his role.

 

[Jody]

Nasri has been doing the business for a long time, and playing first team football, Taarabt has never played 90 minutes as far as I can remember. You can never see how players are developing with the amount of gametime Adel has had. Although he's clearly a skillful player, and possesses a decent shot, it's a mystery as to why he doesn't pass; it might be because he's just trying to impress in the short space of time he's given, or he might just be a selfish player. Nasri, on the other hand, had played so many games, and has grown into his role.

I saw highlights of a pre-season friendly taarabt featured in once and from that alone i'd say he can deinately pick a pass. you never know, when he's brought on maybe he has been told by bmj / juande to just go out and have a blast.

 

[KeaneIsKeane]

He plays with his head down all the time.

 

[tooey]

the simple problem is im im sure all of us who have played football for a team of any description, as soon as you fuck up once or fail to see a pass, miss hit a shot, lose the ball etc etc there is a tendancy to over try, to try and reconsile your mistake. I think he has all the techniqual attributes to become a good premiership player. He just needs more pateince when the balls at his feet. And i know it sounds childish but the other players need to praise him even when he does fuck up, it doesn't help when we have moaners in our team (keane is an exceptional moaner) who will just shoot him a look of disbeleif. He just needs to simply learn to play with the teams tempo and to get his head up once and a while.

 

[Kyras]

the simple problem is im im sure all of us who have played football for a team of any description, as soon as you fuck up once or fail to see a pass, miss hit a shot, lose the ball etc etc there is a tendancy to over try, to try and reconsile your mistake. I think he has all the techniqual attributes to become a good premiership player. He just needs more pateince when the balls at his feet. And i know it sounds childish but the other players need to praise him even when he does fuck up, it doesn't help when we have moaners in our team (keane is an exceptional moaner) who will just shoot him a look of disbeleif. He just needs to simply learn to play with the teams tempo and to get his head up once and a while.

It doesn't sound childish, it's true, Taarabt is clearly a confidence player, he got his first couple of touches right against Derby and was awesome. As much as Henry sulked , when a young player tried to do something right at Arsenal, he would stand and applaud them, and it's the right thing to do, but as much as I love Robbie Keane, he moans too much instead of applauding the effort.

 

[joey55]

i think the most important thing when judging any player is the basic technique when striking the ball. All the worlds best players are great strikers of the ball. Yet as fans we tend to look for pace, tricks and dribbling skills etc. When Nasri connects with the ball he has wonderful technique and control. His passing is excellent as are his shooting, crossing and set pieces etc. Taarabt usually makes a poor connection with the ball. He's very skillful and great to watch, but these things make him seriously overhyped. Obviously as others have noted, he needs to start learning when to pass etc, but to be a truely top player he must show signs that he can really strike the ball well. So far when I've seen him shoot or cross, it's been pretty average.

What makes Ronaldo a better player than Messi is that ultimatley he makes a better connection and has more control over the ball. We saw in the CL 1/2 finals that Messi is the more entertaining, has the better balance and probably more skilful. But Ronaldo if the one who can score 40 goals a season from midfield and it's because he has superior kicking (in very simple terms) technique. Nasri is light years ahead of Taarabt in this respect.

 

[Bobishism]

Taarabt usually makes a poor connection with the ball.

And you can tell this from his 4 games he's played for us?

 

[Bingy]

Robbie is, of all people, the one player at THFC who supports young talent. He went through the mill as a young prodigy and knows what's what. I fear that many of our SC members can't tell the difference between moaning and encouraging! I know that Robbie takes great pride in his attention to the younger guys development. COYS!

 

[joey55]

And you can tell this from his 4 games he's played for us?

He also played in the pre season games, but yes. We are talking about the connection he makes with the ball, that shouldn't be difficult to spot after just a couple of games.

 

[si_yidarmy]

to be fair, nasri is playing more because they are completely different levels of play...

Its very difficult to find time for potential talent to play 90 mins in EPL

 

[jj87]

I wouldnt say Ronaldo can hit the ball sweeter than Messi, just that he can smack it a whole lot harder.

 

[DavidsSpecs]

so it sounds like the best thing to do is to get him out on loan and some minutes at his feet then surely

 

[Adam456]

This has already turned into another 'is Tarrabt going to make it' thread.

Boo

 

[alextheyid]

i can just see him leaving, getting the chance and making it big..i think he's awesome..and last season he featured quite a bit in pre-season but then that was it..

 

[MarkTHFC9]

i think the most important thing when judging any player is the basic technique when striking the ball. All the worlds best players are great strikers of the ball. Yet as fans we tend to look for pace, tricks and dribbling skills etc. When Nasri connects with the ball he has wonderful technique and control. His passing is excellent as are his shooting, crossing and set pieces etc. Taarabt usually makes a poor connection with the ball. He's very skillful and great to watch, but these things make him seriously overhyped. Obviously as others have noted, he needs to start learning when to pass etc, but to be a truely top player he must show signs that he can really strike the ball well. So far when I've seen him shoot or cross, it's been pretty average.

What makes Ronaldo a better player than Messi is that ultimatley he makes a better connection and has more control over the ball. We saw in the CL 1/2 finals that Messi is the more entertaining, has the better balance and probably more skilful. But Ronaldo if the one who can score 40 goals a season from midfield and it's because he has superior kicking (in very simple terms) technique. Nasri is light years ahead of Taarabt in this respect.

Sorry Joey but that is a poor argument. A player cant be deemed good/bad on how they strike a ball, thats just nonsense. Shooting is just one aspect of a game for a midfielder.

 

[joey55]

Sorry Joey but that is a poor argument. A player cant be deemed good/bad on how they strike a ball, thats just nonsense. Shooting is just one aspect of a game for a midfielder.

I'm not talking about just shooting and I'm not saying a player can be judged on whether he is good or bad. I'm suggesting that the most important thing to look for in a player is his basic technique when striking the ball, be it for a pass, FK, set peice shot, through ball or whatever, as without this basic technique it is difficlut for a player to develop into top class pro. Things like improving vision, timing of runs or positioning etc can come eith expeirence, but it's very unlikey that a player who has got to 17/18 and still not developed a decent technique when striking the ball will ever really do so. Apparently it's the first thing Wenger looks for in a player (though I have difficulty believeing this with some of his signings).

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I'm not talking about just shooting and I'm not saying a player can be judged on whether he is good or bad. I'm suggesting that the most important thing to look for in a player is his basic technique when striking the ball, be it for a pass, FK, set peice shot, through ball or whatever, as without this basic technique it is difficlut for a player to develop into top class pro. Things like improving vision, timing of runs or positioning etc can come eith expeirence, but it's very unlikey that a player who has got to 17/18 and still not developed a decent technique when striking the ball will ever really do so. Apparently it's the first thing Wenger looks for in a player (though I have difficulty believeing this with some of his signings).

I agree with this and I think could be one of the reasons why Ramos doesn't rate Lennon if all the rumours are to be believed. He just doesn't seem too confident when he has to connect with the ball whether that is to shoot or cross.

I think Taarabt can shoot, albeit not great but if he wants to develop as an attacking midfielder then passing and vision is also key which he seems to lack at the moment.

 

[double0]

I've heard it all now.

Lennon is no good because he can't strike the ball. That must mean Defoes the best striker in the world because theres not many strikers who can strike a football better than Dofoe or Hasslebaink, or Huddlestone's a better midfielder then Roy Keane.

Striking a football is an important skill (you can say its part of the fundamental skill sets) to which i fully agree but its not a deciding part of a footballers make up IMO. when assessing players theirs an accumulation of skill sets which are also important and relative to postitions eg..Dribbing, Position and Understanding, Heading and others.

When you look at how Ronaldo strikes a ball its different to how Beckham strikes it or Van Persi, but to suggest Lennon isn't a good player because he doesn't strike it as good as Beckham (or other) is wrong IMO.

Helb doesn't score many goals for Arsenal and i believe his crossing stats are not as high as Downing, does that make him a bad player? Van Persi can't head the ball is he a bad player?

Don't get me wrong, Lennon has to improve on that side of his game and should be given more time to develop his skill sets, if the board are to buy another winger it would IMO improve him more as the focus will be diverted with better balance from the flanks.

 

[Bingy]

Lennon has good days and bad days....but more BAD, sadly. He has a decent range of skills, without any doubt, but, in the world of TOP European encounters, he is sadly lacking in quite a few. He may or may not be up to the standard that is required at WHL and time will tell (or Ramos?). Personally, I like the guy...and was thrilled a few seasons ago....but he has 'stagnated' to a large extent...so a good pre-season is required....and a few months OFF the 'Sauce' (if the rumors are true?).
He has proved that he is 'able' but maybe not always 'willing' enough! COYS!