sunnydelight786
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Lost patients with him too now.....:evil:
Team vs. Arsenal(H)
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Niko
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That's what happens when you trust someone without a medical license.
RickyVilla
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That is possible but if thats the case, why did Walker play 90 minutes yesterday? I thought that was a bit strange.
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i'd love us to go 4-4-2 with defoe - ade up top. Don't really know where that leaves the rest of the team but id also like modric - parker in the middle.
Really tough one for Harry in terms of both shape and personnel, its a very good position to be in though.
i wont blame harry if we go 442 and lose cos there wasn't enough steel, but also if we go 451 and lose..
Can any of you say the same?
also interested to see if anyone would take a point from this game?
Really tough one for Harry in terms of both shape and personnel, its a very good position to be in though.
i wont blame harry if we go 442 and lose cos there wasn't enough steel, but also if we go 451 and lose..
Can any of you say the same?
also interested to see if anyone would take a point from this game?
RickyVilla
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I would usually take a point from this game but it is slightly different this year. Arsenal really do look poor and we should beat them comfortably. Unfortunately, things like that never work out the way they should.
jimmy_the_yid
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From Coulbally's(SP?) twitter, not sure if it's actually him. If it is, nice to see him getting in the spirit.
"Sunday is #nld lets destroy scum #coys spurshavethebestfans"
"Sunday is #nld lets destroy scum #coys spurshavethebestfans"
danielneeds
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The great fallacy amonst pundits in England is that 451 is a defensive system. You can play one orthodox striker and be a far more attacking side than one playing 442, it depends on the players and their movement. Also, controlling the centre of the pitch can lead to the creation of far more chances.
tRiKS
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off the ball there there will be positions that are true to how they start/on paper (or should be) therefore when we get possession of ball they will be in those starting positions most of the time so that selection is an issue.
For me it's a tactical no brainer to put the unquestionably better player (modric) in the heart of the pitch where he not only controlls the game in an attacking sense but can also cover and allow a Sandro run and work defensively much better in an area where the scum will play 3 (song, frimpong and arteta)
felmani26
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4231 should be the default formation when everybody is fit against the top 6 and away from home.
After that, 442 is acceptable as long we don't emply two out and out wingers and require Defoe and Pavlyuchenko to spearhead our attacks so i.e. Adebayor plus one.
After that, 442 is acceptable as long we don't emply two out and out wingers and require Defoe and Pavlyuchenko to spearhead our attacks so i.e. Adebayor plus one.
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RickyVilla
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Yes you are right. Apologies.
Booney
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Didn't he come off because of a groin strain? He looked a good few weeks off match fitness to me. Would be very surprised if he even made the bench.
tRiKS
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i think it was 45mins regardless of sunday becasue of the time he's been out. furthermore he was far to poor to justfy getting in the side for sunday. On the bench he will be.
JUSTINSIGNAL
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We haven't got another right back?:shrug:
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Here we go!
Friedel
Walker - Kaboul - King - BAE
VDV - Parker - Modric - Bale
Defoe - Ade
Subs: Cudicini, Bassong, Corluka, Sandro, Lennon, Gio, Pav.
Okay, I know there's been a LOT of talk recently of a 4-2-3-1 with both Parker and Sandro sitting deeper. I myself even agreed for the Wigan game that that was the way forward for us, but I think it could send out the wrong message this weekend against Arsenal. If they were still the dominant team they were 6/7 years ago we'd happily have used that formation to try and scrape a 1-1 draw againbst them, however, like sitting ducks they're there for the taking.
The movement from Adebayor, Bale and Modric in the last 3 games has been quality, add to that the tenacity of Parker and VDV and the pace of Defoe, and I think we have the best midfield/attacking 6 we've had in a North London Derby in the last 20 years. What makes this an even more excitable prospect is the absolute shambles that their defence has been away from home this season, even managing to ship 4 goals at Blackburn. Yes... Blackburn!
It's a winning formula. Bring on Sandro for 30/20 minutes if we have a cushion and ride it out. 3 points here we come!
I think all the posts quoted above show a fundamental misunderstanding of the 4-2-3-1 formation.
According to them the 4-2-3-1 is primarily a defensive set-up and therefore should usually be used against tougher opposition, whereas 4-4-2 is more attacking and therefore should be used against weaker opponents where we can afford to simply go for it and score goals.
As I say I think this is a complete misunderstanding.
Attacking football comes on the back of dominating opponents, it is about keeping the ball, preferably in their half, not letting them keep the ball and leaving their morale low and our own high. From that platform all the clever movement, the incisive passing, the chances and the goals flow.
4-3-2-1 is about stifling your opponents creativity so you can unleash your own. For it to work however you need DMs who are also useful on the ball, a striker who cannot only hold the ball up but is lethal in front of goal and an AM three of vision, skill and verve.
4-4-2 on the other hand is a less certain platform, it's for teams who are unable to control games through their skill and ability, it's what you play whe you've got a good punch but a weakish defence. Play it and the other team will always have a sniff. Play it against a better side and sometimes you'll end up dominated, play it against a weaker side and there are liable to sit back, try absorb when you have the ball and take a breather and feel more comfortable when they have the ball. They will also get good opportunities to hit back on the break, just as 4-4-2 lends itself to the better team also scoring on the break.
For me 4-4-2 is a sign of weakness, its what you play we you haven't the players to make a 4-2-3-1 type set-up work. If you want to play really attacking football, if you want the chance to knock up good scores and totally dominate your opponent you play 4-2-3-1.
I'm certain Harry realises this and that we'll set up exactly as DA has us below.
PS - about a third of the way through re-watching the Wigan match and contrary to what I thought at the time I think we were playing 4-2-3-1 rather than 4-4-1-1; I would prefer to see Modric in the centre of the AM 3 however and VdV more on the right.
gregga
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My preferred team:
Hellboy
Walker - King - Kaboul - Disco
Parker - Sandro
Vdv - Modric - Bale
Adebayor
Harsh on Defoe but VdV will be up for this and I'm not sure I feel confident enough to go Parker Modric against the Goons. Someone needs to keep Arteta quiet.
Bring Defoe on for VdV and go 4-4-2 with Bale left and Modric right if need be.
