Team vs. Arsenal(H)

[kaz Hirai]

meh. defoe wouldnt have played thursday if he was starting so its obvious what the team will be

 

[beats1]

And my Gran smoked till she was 80 and never had a days illness in her life :up:.

By which I mean - in case you didn't know - that you can't pick a side based on the result from a single game, but rather make decisions on probable outcomes. The evidence you provide does not offer you the proof you want it to.

The formation most likely to achieve victory is the one which offers the greatest chance of us scoring (4-2-3-1, imo) and the least chance of conceding (again 4-2-3-1).

I wasn't picking a side from one result merely just highlighting the fact that a midfield containing modric as a 2 wouldn't be vulnerable, and if your referring to point about man utd then read the other post and you will find that arsenal struggled against 3 teams this season where the 2 in the 4-2-3-1 were weaker defensively than modric and parker

I am merely suggesting we play our best player(-king) in his best position where he dominated teams like chelsea and Man utd, he wasn't his best last week on the right and hasn't been great playing behind the striker

The reason for not playing sandro is, if he was in the team VDV would be playing on the right, which would a waste as their last 4-5 matches all the opposition came from the opponents right and got slaughtered there by Olympiakos, Merson said Arsenal made them look like barcelona, playing no winger and having walker attacking that space would be dangerous because the lb makes a interception it will be santos and gervinho v sandro covering, those two are brilliant at hitting on the counter, which Charlie Nicholas expects to play and target

 

[sloth]

I wasn't picking a side from one result merely just highlighting the fact that a midfield containing modric as a 2 wouldn't be vulnerable, and if your referring to point about man utd then read the other post and you will find that arsenal struggled against 3 teams this season where the 2 in the 4-2-3-1 were weaker defensively than modric and parker

I am merely suggesting we play our best player(-king) in his best position where he dominated teams like chelsea and Man utd, he wasn't his best last week on the right and hasn't been great playing behind the striker

The reason for not playing sandro is, if he was in the team VDV would be playing on the right, which would a waste as their last 4-5 matches all the opposition came from the opponents right and got slaughtered there by Olympiakos, Merson said Arsenal made them look like barcelona, playing no winger and having walker attacking that space would be dangerous because the lb makes a interception it will be santos and gervinho v sandro covering, those two are brilliant at hitting on the counter, which Charlie Nicholas expects to play and target

Ok, the point I was making is that saying we did well or poorly in any particular match to back-up an argument doesn't in fact back up the argument. Against Liverpool 4-4-2 did well, does that mean that it offers the greatest likelihood of victory in most matches against sides of that quality?

In fact you not only don't want to play Sandro but you do want to play GDS. This is because imo you've exaggerated a 'problem' (VDV defensive weakness on the right; Arsenal's perceived strength down that side), but then anyway you haven't come up with a convincing solution to it (move VdV to the centre, find another player to play right-sided AM, GDS fits the bill).

Currently GDS is well below the quality of the rest of the team. He may later prove himself to be of equal quality, but he hasn't to date, therefore playing him is a gamble.

For my money you've massively over complicated a simple thing and all because you worried about one aspect of the Arsenal side. You hugely weaken us because your starting premise is false. Your first move is protect the right-side (imo laughably) by putting GDS there, once you've decided he's the first name on your team-sheet you force yourself to shuffle everything else to accommodate him and because you can't get everyone else in you decide sacrificing Sandro is a necessary ill.

Even if you were right and we think GDS is maybe as good as you clearly think he is the necessary ill still has to be sacrifice GDS.

But regardless of all that, against Wigan VdV did play in the centre of our AM three, with Modric moved to right AM. The problem (as you saw it) doesn't exist.

All of that comes before we've even considered the merits of CM anchored by the twin strengths of Sandro and Parker.

With those two there you have a spare man to cover the FB if he gets stranded up field. With only one of them you either need Modric to help with putting fires out (limiting him in an attacking sense and weakening us in a defensive one as he's not as strong in that department as either Sandro or Parker), or you're left with Parker deserting a strong position in front of the back four to deal with that RB threat.

You also concede more possession to Arsenal, especially in the centre of the park, because with the best will in the world Modric and Parker or Modric and Sandro will not win anywhere near as much ball as would Sandro and Parker.

Let's think about that for moment... we won't win as much ball... or put another way, Arsenal will hold onto the ball more... hmmm...

So you sacrifice all that, for what...? So GDS can play? Someone who's got no track record for tracking back, isn't known for his steal, bite or tough mentality, in fact in this country isn't really even known for his guile going forward. You hobble Modric with extra defensive duties and hand his extra freedom to GDS.

Imo you're not only objectively wrong, but you're wrong even by your own reasoning.

 

[steve]

Same team as Wigan I hope. Arteta although not hugely mobile is a good footballer and Ramsey the same. Song will hold but not in a Makalele way as Wenger prefers fluidity over rigidity.

To me a Parker/Sandro combo with Modric able to join wins the midfield battle. Attacking wise the rest should take care of itself with Ade, Bale, VDV and the rest having too much for their back 4 (Sagna is a good player though and the keeper's decent). After that the main threats are Walnutt and his pace (if not his technique) and obviously Van Pervert but if King's playing we should be ok. Walker, Kaboul and Ekotto need to hold their ground though and play with their heads.

Anything can happen obviously but barring a sending off or some terrible cock up (don't think Gomes will play though) then we should win this one. If we do we're set up perfectly for the coming weeks AND we'll be on the magical 2 points a game mark already...

 

[DiamondLites]

We need Modric in CM to dictate our play, pushing him out wide to accomodate Sandro & Parker is detrimetal to our game. The solution would be to play 4-3-3, have VdV roaming from the right and Bale hugging the touchline on the left with Ade as the focal point in the centre

Friedle

Corluka - Younes - King - BAE

Parker - Sandro - Modric

VdV Ade Bale



subs: Gomes, Walker, Bassong, Townsend, Defoe, Giovani, Livermore

Lennon looked way off the pace on Thursday. Right hand side is a bit lacking in pace, but I think Walker could be exposed defensively
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[Chimbo!]

The only issue is whether we go 4-4-2 with Defoe upfront, VDV on the right and Sandro on the bench or 4-5-1 with VDV in the whole, Modric out wide, Sandro in the centre and Defoe on the bench.

In a nutshell, as strange as this may sound, either Defoe or Sandro starts but not both.

 

[sim0n]

We need Modric in CM to dictate our play, pushing him out wide to accomodate Sandro & Parker is detrimetal to our game. The solution would be to play 4-3-3, have VdV roaming from the right and Bale hugging the touchline on the left with Ade as the focal point in the centre

Friedle​

Corluka - Younes - King - BAE​

Parker - Sandro - Modric​

VdV Ade Bale​

subs: Gomes, Walker, Bassong, Townsend, Defoe, Giovani, Livermore​

Lennon looked way off the pace on Thursday. Right hand side is a bit lacking in pace, but I think Walker could be exposed defensively​

looks good, go with that :clap:

 

[beats1]

Ok, the point I was making is that saying we did well or poorly in any particular match to back-up an argument doesn't in fact back up the argument. Against Liverpool 4-4-2 did well, does that mean that it offers the greatest likelihood of victory in most matches against sides of that quality?

In fact you not only don't want to play Sandro but you do want to play GDS. This is because imo you've exaggerated a 'problem' (VDV defensive weakness on the right; Arsenal's perceived strength down that side), but then anyway you haven't come up with a convincing solution to it (move VdV to the centre, find another player to play right-sided AM, GDS fits the bill).

Currently GDS is well below the quality of the rest of the team. He may later prove himself to be of equal quality, but he hasn't to date, therefore playing him is a gamble.

For my money you've massively over complicated a simple thing and all because you worried about one aspect of the Arsenal side. You hugely weaken us because your starting premise is false. Your first move is protect the right-side (imo laughably) by putting GDS there, once you've decided he's the first name on your team-sheet you force yourself to shuffle everything else to accommodate him and because you can't get everyone else in you decide sacrificing Sandro is a necessary ill.

Even if you were right and we think GDS is maybe as good as you clearly think he is the necessary ill still has to be sacrifice GDS.

But regardless of all that, against Wigan VdV did play in the centre of our AM three, with Modric moved to right AM. The problem (as you saw it) doesn't exist.

All of that comes before we've even considered the merits of CM anchored by the twin strengths of Sandro and Parker.

With those two there you have a spare man to cover the FB if he gets stranded up field. With only one of them you either need Modric to help with putting fires out (limiting him in an attacking sense and weakening us in a defensive one as he's not as strong in that department as either Sandro or Parker), or you're left with Parker deserting a strong position in front of the back four to deal with that RB threat.

You also concede more possession to Arsenal, especially in the centre of the park, because with the best will in the world Modric and Parker or Modric and Sandro will not win anywhere near as much ball as would Sandro and Parker.

Let's think about that for moment... we won't win as much ball... or put another way, Arsenal will hold onto the ball more... hmmm...

So you sacrifice all that, for what...? So GDS can play? Someone who's got no track record for tracking back, isn't known for his steal, bite or tough mentality, in fact in this country isn't really even known for his guile going forward. You hobble Modric with extra defensive duties and hand his extra freedom to GDS.

Imo you're not only objectively wrong, but you're wrong even by your own reasoning.

Firstly the only reason I am suggesting gio, is because he is our only rw atm, lennon has been so disappointing its unbelievable, and since gio got motm over townsend he pips it and he did well, as well as tracking back quiet well

If you have seen Arsenal this season you would notice that they have failed to deal with wingers and that their left side is a major weakness, defensively against united they couldn't handle young and nani, against Blackburn they found it hard against Hoilett and Olsson and the swans caused problems with dyer and sinclair, liverpool caused issues with Kuyt and Downing and Olympiakos absolutely dominated that arsenal left side

This season going forward arsenal haven't dominated games like they usually do and this is the main reason why they aren't favourites, the only game where they dominated was the bolton and that was after bolton went a man down, most of their play has been counter attacking and not the usual dominating possession play, Merson and Nicholas expect arsenal to be playing 4-2-3-1 with frimpong and song in midfield providing they have 2 CB's that are fit, they expect arsenal to try and target our FB's with theirs on the counter and with the pace of gervinho and Walcott, playing VDV would leave us slightly more exposed on the right

Also modric has been playing CM for nearly a year and half now and it is quiet good defensively and this was one the reason chelsea wanted him over sneijder and etc.

I would rather play a fully fit lennon like the one that tore wigan apart but atm we only have gio maybe luka on the left and bale on the right may happen but harry has taken risks in the big matches so he may again,

 

[shaqTHFC]

Although they look weak, I wouldn't want to underestimate their attack. They've got pace in Walcott and Arteta is still a very good player as is RVP.

Freidel

Walker - King - Kaboul - BAE

Sandro - Parker

VDV - Modric - Bale

Adebayor​

There's enough there to trouble their shit defence and we have a solid defensive unit too. We don't need to go 4-4-2 to score lots of goals, City played 4-2-3-1 against us and had enough movement and players going forward to score 5.

 

[Pringle]

Freidel​

Walker - King - Kaboul - BAE​

Sandro - Parker​

VDV - Modric - Bale​

Adebayor​

Thats the exact team i would like

 

[theShiznit]

As long as Modric is not stuck out on the right again, we should do well.

VDV right of a 3 (VDV - Modric - Bale) with Sandro or Parker asked to Cover him defensively and Modric dropping into CM when Sandro/Parker move across.

 

[stevenurse]

friedel
walker kaboul king benny
rafa parker luka bale
defoe ade

 

[bubble07]

Has to be this team

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Friedel​

Walker Kaboul King Assou-Ekotto​

Sandro Parker​

VanDerVaart Modric Bale​

Adebayor

SUBS: Cudicini Corluka Bassong Livermore Lennon Defoe Pav/Giovani

INJURED: Dawson Gallas Huddlestone Kranjcar Pienaar
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[ajspurs]

has to be this team

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friedel​

walker kaboul king assou-ekotto​

sandro parker​

vandervaart modric bale​

adebayor

subs: cudicini corluka bassong livermore lennon defoe pav/giovani

injured: dawson gallas huddlestone kranjcar pienaar
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Agreed
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[bubble07]

wow their really shitting it on Arsenal mania!!

 

[bubble07]

Agreed
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cheers and may I applaud you on your nice and clear font

 

[jamesc0le]

-------ade--defoe------
modric-parker-sandro-rafa
bale---king-kaboul-corluka
----------brad----------

 

[mdharris]

We need Modric in CM to dictate our play, pushing him out wide to accomodate Sandro & Parker is detrimetal to our game. The solution would be to play 4-3-3, have VdV roaming from the right and Bale hugging the touchline on the left with Ade as the focal point in the centre

Friedle

Corluka - Younes - King - BAE

Parker - Sandro - Modric

VdV Ade Bale



subs: Gomes, Walker, Bassong, Townsend, Defoe, Giovani, Livermore

Lennon looked way off the pace on Thursday. Right hand side is a bit lacking in pace, but I think Walker could be exposed defensively
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Looks good. but have parker and vdv drift in from the right. it would be better to have walker instead of corluka, who can provide some width on that side.

 

[tooey]

4-4-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1..... Its all the same, all our attacking players interchange and switch positions throughout anyway, thats what makes us dangerous.

 

[ajspurs]

cheers and may I applaud you on your nice and clear font

Why thank you :lol: