The 5-Year Plan

[John48]

We're pretty much always in a 5 year plan, Poch was one of the few under ENIC to make it look as we had one that was working, unfortunately as has happened all too often Levy & Co stopped supporting him by strengthening in the positions he wanted & that 5 year plan ground to a halt.

The Jose 5 year plan has never really got off the ground & it looks as if we'll have get rid & start again, although it's success will depend on whether Levy listens to what the manager wants.

 

[Japhet]

What we need is a long term strategy to blend young players with older ones so that it can roll along and be sustainable. In many ways I think this is what Poch would have liked, but he was a victim of his own success and the pressure to keep that up meant that a small group of our players got burnt out and the replacements weren't in the pipeline. Unfortunately, modern life is very much about here and now which is precisely why Mourinho was hired. I'd love a young coach like Nagelsmann (or even Potter) to come in with fresh ideas and a holistic approach to how we need to move forward, but that will be a difficult ask when a significant proportion of the fan base want any old cup no matter where that objective takes us or what it costs long term.

 

[DiscoD1882]

Let’s just round it up to a 75 year plan.

 

[olliec]

Here we go again.. it starts!

 

[punkisback]

Whatever happens. The life cycle of the team that Poch Built is at an end. We require fresh players to develop and the stars of this team may leave.

 

[shelfboy68]

We're pretty much always in a 5 year plan, Poch was one of the few under ENIC to make it look as we had one that was working, unfortunately as has happened all too often Levy & Co stopped supporting him by strengthening in the positions he wanted & that 5 year plan ground to a halt.

The Jose 5 year plan has never really got off the ground & it looks as if we'll have get rid & start again, although it's success will depend on whether Levy listens to what the manager wants.

Maybe he should look at what the club actually needs first.

 

[RichieS]

Who was that?

Trevor Birch.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I’ve missed us being in transition

Thank god for the new stadium

 

[shelfboy68]

I’ve missed us being in transition

Thank god for the new stadium

Ah the classic transitional season line haven't seen this in a while.

 

[Locotoro]

I think people tend to oversimplify the art of goal setting and creating a plan.

Can you create a plan to win the Premier League within 5 years? Yes you can but it won't work because there are too many variables that can prevent it. Opposition spending billions, global pandemic, cash crisis, failing team or manager. All of these things are somewhat out of the hands of the plan.

What you can and should do is create short term goals that will help strengthen the probability of success like build a stadium that will allow you to spend more, build a training ground that will help you train players and youth prospects in the best environment.

Every decision they make will be towards realising success and making this club elite level. It's not just a 5 year plan to win a trophy

 

[parj]

Screw the 5 year plan. Poch exceeded it and got screwed by Levy. You can't say 5 year plan, meet it and then not adjust transfer spend to the next phase, or more importantly, not spend the cash when you are so close to being title winners.

We need a 2 year plan which allows the squad and manager to assess Levy's ambitions and adjust accordingly. Then adjust the plan every 2 years with the squad being upgraded with the right quality players.

 

[lol]

Screw the 5 year plan. Poch exceeded it and got screwed by Levy. You can't say 5 year plan, meet it and then not adjust transfer spend to the next phase, or more importantly, not spend the cash when you are so close to being title winners.

We need a 2 year plan which allows the squad and manager to assess Levy's ambitions and adjust accordingly. Then adjust the plan every 2 years with the squad being upgraded with the right quality players.

Precisely. You basically cannot and shouldnt overachieve. Levy is like the boss where if you finish 100% of the work in half the time. Instead of getting the rest you deserve because of your efficiency, he ups your workload with more work. And when you fail to delivery its your fault. Should have just been like your colleague and not overachieve

 

[Goobers]

I think the 5 year plan and definition etc is nonsense.
We need a manager than unifies us and the playing sqaud. We need fantastic infrastructure which we have. We need an excited fanbase which will be fuelled by the team. We need a world class academy which it looks like we are approaching or at least attempting to develop. We then need a first team squad that suits the coach and the system he wants play. We need players that are engaged in that process.
I think that is all quite an undertaking and you may need to address each gradually.

 

[PLTuck]

You can't have a 5 year plan when you sack the majority of your managers 1-3 years in.

 

[PLTuck]

Precisely. You basically cannot and shouldnt overachieve. Levy is like the boss where if you finish 100% of the work in half the time. Instead of getting the rest you deserve because of your efficiency, he ups your workload with more work. And when you fail to delivery its your fault. Should have just been like your colleague and not overachieve

I used to work in local govt. Every March there was a mad scramble to spend what was left in our budgets, usually on fancy desk tidies etc. We only did it because if we came in under budget, they'd reduce our next budget.

 

[Spursmatty87]

Not sure it needs a 5 year plan but it will be interesting to see how the stadium works for us. Wasn’t it making us £5m a game before lockdown compared to around £1m a game at the old WHL.

Surely that moves us up a level

 

[muppetman]

Good post OP.

I think the best organisations are more about ongoing continuous improvement rather than 5-year plans and the like. I'd say that if you look at what Levy and co have done over the long term with the infrastructure then that has been succesful. Also, taking the long term view it has also seen a gradual improvement in the quality of the playing staff. Unfortunately, what's clear is that Levy took his eye off the ball with the stadium, Poch ran out of steam and then we rolled the dice with Jose.

I think the poster who talked about establishing an identity and then recruiting with that mind could give this the structure it needs. I always had a soft spot for the likes of Swansea and Southampton who seemed to comfortably slot in a new player or manager due to this.

 

[Goobers]

Good post OP.

I think the best organisations are more about ongoing continuous improvement rather than 5-year plans and the like. I'd say that if you look at what Levy and co have done over the long term with the infrastructure then that has been succesful. Also, taking the long term view it has also seen a gradual improvement in the quality of the playing staff. Unfortunately, what's clear is that Levy took his eye off the ball with the stadium, Poch ran out of steam and then we rolled the dice with Jose.

I think the poster who talked about establishing an identity and then recruiting with that mind could give this the structure it needs. I always had a soft spot for the likes of Swansea and Southampton who seemed to comfortably slot in a new player or manager due to this.

Great post. I think the new stadium and the infrastructure (eventually) will give us the chance at achieving the first part of your post. Given the pandemic and the lack of income from the stadium we are somewhat in purgatory at the moment.
Until things normalise the thing we can define is philosophy. That's what I hope anyway.

 

[jonnyp]

So sick of these 5 year plans every 2 years.

 

[king_yid]

Sounds like my ex.