The All New Spurs U21, U18 & Other Youth News Thread

[spursfan77]

England‏@england
England U20s: Walton; Iorfa, Ball, Hause, Targett; Baker (c), Reed, Harrop; Murphy, Wilson, Ibe.

England U20s subs: Gunn, Cargill, Swift, Akpom, Thomas, Jones, Digby.

v Portugal - just kicking off

Dominic Ball starts

Targett is meant to be highly rated. Hopefully Mitchell if he comes will say to go back to Southampton for him.

 

[Spursidol]

E u20's win 4-3 on pens

Edit
Worth mentioning that this Portugal U20 team finished runner-up at this year's Euros, so good to win first match in Portugal in normal time and 2nd match on pens .

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Just realised if you switch it to the Youtube you can rewind. Nice little ball by Onomah for the pen.


Onomah clearly has talent, he moves with a real grace on the ball and has a very good footballing brain, but he has a very languid style, which can look a bit lazy.

 

[prawnsandwich]

KWP nearly a pen and a red card! Up until then he was getting forward and passing well.

 

[Spursidol]

Targett is meant to be highly rated. Hopefully Mitchell if he comes will say to go back to Southampton for him.

Tricky one. He's 19 and played once for Southampton as LB. We have Connor Ogilvie playing in that position as LB and highly rated - he's one of a handful who could/should be given minutes probably off the bench this season, but still waiting for Poch to involve the youngsters

 

[IGSpur]

Just realised if you switch it to the Youtube you can rewind. Nice little ball by Onomah for the pen.


Onomah clearly has talent, he moves with a real grace on the ball and has a very good footballing brain, but he has a very languid style, which can look a bit lazy.

Damn didnt realise that and already closed the stream. Could you repost please.

Agree about Onomah and his languid style. I don't mind someone looking lazy as long as they are effective a la Berbatov and Krancjar. Prefer it too workrate and no output.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Going back to a discussion (or a couple even) we were having previously about Mark Warburton (founder of the NexGen series and Pritchard's manager at Brentford) this article was in the Sunday Times this week. I really like everything I've read about this guy. Here's a same of what it said:

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/sport/football/Football_League/article1484028.ece

Trading places
Brentford manager Mark Warburton has gone from the trading floor to the Football League and is on course to deliver

IN 2004, Mark Warburton was the Royal Bank Of Scotland’s head dealer of foreign exchange, earning a variable, but ever-increasing six-figure sum. In 2005, of his own volition, the same man was earning £24,000 a year as part-time assistant coach to Watford’s Under-11s, with a job at the Beckham Academy thrown in. He assured his doubtful wife, Liz, it was not a midlife crisis but a man chasing his dream. She wasn’t convinced. “She thought I was nuts, but she supported me,” he says, still pleasantly surprised.

From a standing start, he gave himself 10 years to make it in football, but he was not without skills.

“Working with traders means we all help each other. Good managers have a generic approach to discipline, but an individual approach to what people need. It’s communication, it’s teamwork, it’s lifting people up and creating a motivational, supportive environment. I transferred those skills to football.”

A decade has passed and Warburton is Brentford’s highly regarded manager. It has been a long, strange trip.

Travelling alone on the 07.30 train from Euston to Carlisle last December 7, Warburton’s constantly ringing phone attracted the attention of other passengers. Then Brentford’s sporting director, he was fielding a rum selection of callers (“international football people, well-known managers, people looking for a job”) who had one topic of conversation. Manager Uwe Rosler had departed to Wigan Athletic leaving Brentford, fourth in Division 1, having dropped just two points from the past 24. Warburton was the natural conduit to owner, fan and sports betting magnate Matthew Benham. Yet, he had more to ponder than gatekeeping, not least since he’d unsuccessfully applied for the job in 2011.

“All sorts of things were going through my head,” he remembers. “Not least, what if Matthew brought in another manager and we didn’t get on? I knew it was an important time for me, but I didn’t know what Matthew was thinking.”

Overseen by coaches Alan Kernaghan and Peter Farrell, Brentford were knocked out of the FA Cup by Carlisle United that afternoon. Back at Euston, Warburton called Benham and told of the deluge. Next morning, Benham called and offered him the manager’s job, without an interview.

As chalices go, there were less poisoned ones, but Warburton could either build on Rosler’s work and get promotion but not the credit, or fail to get promotion and get the blame. He marked his new territory by dispensing with Kernaghan and Farrell. “I didn’t want to get sacked in six months and think ‘if only I’d done that . . . ’ I knew how good people I’d brought in such as David Weir were.”

Brentford finished two places above where Warburton started and were promoted. In their past three games they have beaten leaders Derby County before winning at Nottingham Forest and Millwall.

His journey began inauspiciously. Like Brendan Rodgers, Jose Mourinho and Arsène Wenger, Warburton had a less than distinguished playing career and he never played a league game. The antediluvian “show us yer medals” culture still lingers.

“I’ve got to be honest with you, when I think, ‘Where am I vulnerable? Where I am exposed?’ that’s my area,” he admits. “But times are changing and now it’s more about communication and man-management.”

At Leicester City, apprentice right-back Warburton was disillusioned by Jock Wallace’s old-school approach. “Like everyone from south of Manchester, I was a soft southerner. I went from loving every minute of every day to hating it, but I learnt how not to deal with people.”

Back home in London, Warburton turned part-time with Enfield. His mother spotted the North Carolina National Bank’s advertisement seeking ambitious types for a trading clerk post. “I’d no idea what that was, but I went in, heard the noise and my ears pricked up. I knew it could be good. I was a better trader than footballer.”

Warburton clambered up the City’s greasy pole: junior dealer, dealer, senior dealer, chief dealer and then that RBS role. He’d be on duty at 5am and spend his evenings making Transatlantic deals, but the rewards were stratospheric.

“The bonuses talk angers me: if someone’s made you $10m would you pay them a $1m bonus? Course you would. Bonuses aren’t obscene, they’re relative and relevant and if you lose half your year in a finger-click, it’s the same as a player losing a game.”

Outside the Square Mile, Warburton coached Enfield’s kids and when the bank seconded him to Charlotte, he coached American children in a park. When he turned down a lucrative permanent move stateside chiefly because the standard of those child footballers was too low, his die was cast. His watershed came when an urgent six-figure trade landed on his desk and he continued planning a training routine. “I wanted out.” After 24 years in the City, he was gone.

Warburton spent a peripatetic year visiting European training grounds: Valencia, Ajax and Sporting Lisbon. “I spent weeks there [Lisbon], asking about budgets, ethos, curriculum: everything I wanted to ask, I found out.”

Having secured his “A” licence and founded the NextGen tournament for elite European academies with Benham, Warburton was offered that part-time role at Watford. By the time he left in 2010, he was academy director. Benham appointed him Brentford’s first-team coach during Nicky Forster’s short tenure. The rest we know.


I find this kind of approach far more inspiring than the bullshit "I was a footballer therefore I am" of people like Sherwood.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Damn didnt realise that and already closed the stream. Could you repost please.

Agree about Onomah and his languid style. I don't mind someone looking lazy as long as they are effective a la Berbatov and Krancjar. Prefer it too workrate and no output.

try this:

 

[TottenhamLegend]

Tom Carroll captains England U21s tonight. Kane and Alex Pritchard also starting.

 

[prawnsandwich]

Tom Carroll captains England U21s tonight. Kane and Alex Pritchard also starting.

I wasn't gonna bother watching-but I am interested in Pritchard. Carroll would have to have a stormer to change my mind about him.

 

[beats1]

Damn didnt realise that and already closed the stream. Could you repost please.

Agree about Onomah and his languid style. I don't mind someone looking lazy as long as they are effective a la Berbatov and Krancjar. Prefer it too workrate and no output.

TBH I prefer it too, probably because I'm the same way.

People at united wanted more workrate from Berbatov but in my experience if I worked harder I couldn't influence the game as much, as my lazy style was me being lazy but allowed me to read the game better

As Josh gets more experienced he will have to influence the game and there will be moments when his teammates are expecting him to change things. That imo will be his real test and determine how good he will become, if handles it well and doesnt crumble he should become a top player.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

TBH I prefer it too, probably because I'm the same way.

People at united wanted more workrate from Berbatov but in my experience if I worked harder I couldn't influence the game as much, as my lazy style was me being lazy but allowed me to read the game better

As Josh gets more experienced he will have to influence the game and there will be moments when his teammates are expecting him to change things. That imo will be his real test and determine how good he will become, if handles it well and doesnt crumble he should become a top player.

I hear what both of you are saying and very much agree as long as you are producing the goods all the time - Kanoute was another example of a great footballer who's languid style was mistaken for laziness by about 80% of this forum (as is Capoue to an extent) - but you do have to be a very special player to get away with that languid style, it can alienate fans and managers (Jol the idiot selling Kanoute for 5m and bringing in that headless fat bafoon Mido e.g.). If you're Zidane or Ibra you can pull it off, not always so easy for others.

You have to be pretty special to carry it off. If you're not, you at least have to have some graft too. Some of the best players combine both (Giggs, Aguero, Suarez, even Messi)

Can you imagine his style appealing to Pochettino's supposed (not seen much yet) high tempo approach ?

 

[beats1]

I hear what both of you are saying and very much agree as long as you are producing the goods all the time - Kanoute was another example of a great footballer who's languid style was mistaken for laziness by about 80% of this forum (as is Capoue to an extent) - but you do have to be a very special player to get away with that languid style, it can alienate fans and managers (Jol the idiot selling Kanoute for 5m and bringing in that headless fat bafoon Mido e.g.). If you're Zidane or Ibra you can pull it off, not always so easy for others.

You have to be pretty special to carry it off. If you're not, you at least have to have some graft too. Some of the best players combine both (Giggs, Aguero, Suarez, even Messi)

Can you imagine his style appealing to Pochettino's supposed (not seen much yet) high tempo approach ?

These 3 I don't agree with as much. They have just developed so good imo that they no longer had to slow down and read the game they developed to the point where they could do it at full speed.

These players have been criticised for looking at lazy but all 3 players when on the ball are anything but lazy. In england you did need to look like a big busy shit to look good but hopefully that changes and fans begin to understand that as well

I don't think Poochie has installed the high tempo stuff yet but I think if Josh can step up to this level he should be fine. Plus no doubt Poochie would want him to mould him in to his type of player.

 

[yankspurs]

Going back to a discussion (or a couple even) we were having previously about Mark Warburton (founder of the NexGen series and Pritchard's manager at Brentford) this article was in the Sunday Times this week. I really like everything I've read about this guy. Here's a same of what it said:

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/sport/football/Football_League/article1484028.ece

Trading places
Brentford manager Mark Warburton has gone from the trading floor to the Football League and is on course to deliver

IN 2004, Mark Warburton was the Royal Bank Of Scotland’s head dealer of foreign exchange, earning a variable, but ever-increasing six-figure sum. In 2005, of his own volition, the same man was earning £24,000 a year as part-time assistant coach to Watford’s Under-11s, with a job at the Beckham Academy thrown in. He assured his doubtful wife, Liz, it was not a midlife crisis but a man chasing his dream. She wasn’t convinced. “She thought I was nuts, but she supported me,” he says, still pleasantly surprised.

From a standing start, he gave himself 10 years to make it in football, but he was not without skills.

“Working with traders means we all help each other. Good managers have a generic approach to discipline, but an individual approach to what people need. It’s communication, it’s teamwork, it’s lifting people up and creating a motivational, supportive environment. I transferred those skills to football.”

A decade has passed and Warburton is Brentford’s highly regarded manager. It has been a long, strange trip.

Travelling alone on the 07.30 train from Euston to Carlisle last December 7, Warburton’s constantly ringing phone attracted the attention of other passengers. Then Brentford’s sporting director, he was fielding a rum selection of callers (“international football people, well-known managers, people looking for a job”) who had one topic of conversation. Manager Uwe Rosler had departed to Wigan Athletic leaving Brentford, fourth in Division 1, having dropped just two points from the past 24. Warburton was the natural conduit to owner, fan and sports betting magnate Matthew Benham. Yet, he had more to ponder than gatekeeping, not least since he’d unsuccessfully applied for the job in 2011.

“All sorts of things were going through my head,” he remembers. “Not least, what if Matthew brought in another manager and we didn’t get on? I knew it was an important time for me, but I didn’t know what Matthew was thinking.”

Overseen by coaches Alan Kernaghan and Peter Farrell, Brentford were knocked out of the FA Cup by Carlisle United that afternoon. Back at Euston, Warburton called Benham and told of the deluge. Next morning, Benham called and offered him the manager’s job, without an interview.

As chalices go, there were less poisoned ones, but Warburton could either build on Rosler’s work and get promotion but not the credit, or fail to get promotion and get the blame. He marked his new territory by dispensing with Kernaghan and Farrell. “I didn’t want to get sacked in six months and think ‘if only I’d done that . . . ’ I knew how good people I’d brought in such as David Weir were.”

Brentford finished two places above where Warburton started and were promoted. In their past three games they have beaten leaders Derby County before winning at Nottingham Forest and Millwall.

His journey began inauspiciously. Like Brendan Rodgers, Jose Mourinho and Arsène Wenger, Warburton had a less than distinguished playing career and he never played a league game. The antediluvian “show us yer medals” culture still lingers.

“I’ve got to be honest with you, when I think, ‘Where am I vulnerable? Where I am exposed?’ that’s my area,” he admits. “But times are changing and now it’s more about communication and man-management.”

At Leicester City, apprentice right-back Warburton was disillusioned by Jock Wallace’s old-school approach. “Like everyone from south of Manchester, I was a soft southerner. I went from loving every minute of every day to hating it, but I learnt how not to deal with people.”

Back home in London, Warburton turned part-time with Enfield. His mother spotted the North Carolina National Bank’s advertisement seeking ambitious types for a trading clerk post. “I’d no idea what that was, but I went in, heard the noise and my ears pricked up. I knew it could be good. I was a better trader than footballer.”

Warburton clambered up the City’s greasy pole: junior dealer, dealer, senior dealer, chief dealer and then that RBS role. He’d be on duty at 5am and spend his evenings making Transatlantic deals, but the rewards were stratospheric.

“The bonuses talk angers me: if someone’s made you $10m would you pay them a $1m bonus? Course you would. Bonuses aren’t obscene, they’re relative and relevant and if you lose half your year in a finger-click, it’s the same as a player losing a game.”

Outside the Square Mile, Warburton coached Enfield’s kids and when the bank seconded him to Charlotte, he coached American children in a park. When he turned down a lucrative permanent move stateside chiefly because the standard of those child footballers was too low, his die was cast. His watershed came when an urgent six-figure trade landed on his desk and he continued planning a training routine. “I wanted out.” After 24 years in the City, he was gone.

Warburton spent a peripatetic year visiting European training grounds: Valencia, Ajax and Sporting Lisbon. “I spent weeks there [Lisbon], asking about budgets, ethos, curriculum: everything I wanted to ask, I found out.”

Having secured his “A” licence and founded the NextGen tournament for elite European academies with Benham, Warburton was offered that part-time role at Watford. By the time he left in 2010, he was academy director. Benham appointed him Brentford’s first-team coach during Nicky Forster’s short tenure. The rest we know.


I find this kind of approach far more inspiring than the bullshit "I was a footballer therefore I am" of people like Sherwood.

He's doing well so far. Got Brentford promoted into the championship and now he has them in playoff places. Alot of substance in him. Truly worked his way up and tried to expand his horizons in the business of football and in the business world in general. Hope he continues to do well.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

These 3 I don't agree with as much. They have just developed so good imo that they no longer had to slow down and read the game they developed to the point where they could do it at full speed.

These players have been criticised for looking at lazy but all 3 players when on the ball are anything but lazy. In england you did need to look like a big busy shit to look good but hopefully that changes and fans begin to understand that as well

I don't think Poochie has installed the high tempo stuff yet but I think if Josh can step up to this level he should be fine. Plus no doubt Poochie would want him to mould him in to his type of player.

I don't agree, I think tenacity and dynamism is just part of Ageuro, Suarez and Messi's nature.

I didn't understand the next paragraph, is that referring to Zidane, Ibra and Berba ?


There's no doubting Onomah has the talent to step up - I've watched many players who clearly don't have his panache - but I've also seen many talented players fail through a lack of application or because of a perception of one. I hope Onomah can find the balance or prove to be good enough not to need to.

 

[IGSpur]

Tom Carroll captains England U21s tonight. Kane and Alex Pritchard also starting.

Was tuning in anyway. So happy to see that lineup. Mainly to see how pritch does as well proper chance against a top team

 

[beats1]

Carroll did a brilliant ball to redmond to cause them problem behind the RB and away from the CB

I don't agree, I think tenacity and dynamism is just part of Ageuro, Suarez and Messi's nature.

I didn't understand the next paragraph, is that referring to Zidane, Ibra and Berba ?


There's no doubting Onomah has the talent to step up - I've watched many players who clearly don't have his panache - but I've also seen many talented players fail through a lack of application or because of a perception of one. I hope Onomah can find the balance or prove to be good enough not to need to.

I agree thats part of their nature because they are smaller players and use that as away to combat people taking them out and give them that edge.

I was still referring to aguerro, suarez and messi in context with the first sentence that they are were criticised at a young age for their slow work rate but they didn't have to take the "breaks" and were almost always "on"

 

[ClintEastwould]

Kane my man

 

[SlickMongoose]

Nice finish.

 

[IGSpur]

These 3 I don't agree with as much

Same they don't strike me as languid. Just class with a great work rate

I don't think it would be a problem with t be pressing as he we do it in the academy. Not excessively but you can it's encourage in the way we play.

I think the fan base would have more of a problem.when things start going belly up the lazy looking players vet blamed first as people assume they aren't trying as much etc. eriksen is similar. If onomah ever got a chance I'd hope people would give him time and not pick up on that first.


Kane goal showing the different typetypefinishing brad spoke about. he has great awareness and positional sense to do the right thing.

Another goal hah