The All New Spurs U21, U18 & Other Youth News Thread

[IGSpur]

If you are talking of Rose and Townsend you are correct although they both had Premiership loans first (so were established to a certain extent). Can't remember many games he put youth in though. But you probably have a better memory than me. Usually pissed watching the games.

@yankspurs actually AVB was still poor compared to Poch. AVB handed noone debuts. Townsend, Kane, Carroll, Rose, Fredericks, Caulker and LIvermore were all handed their debuts by Redknapp.

In the EL quite a few of them received decent amount of game time, something we can only dream of for our current crop but that was due to how HR treated the competition as opposed to maybe believing they were good enough. As only Livermore and Rose featured in significant games i.e. the PL. While I would love to win the EL and believe it should be taken seriously but I do hope we use it similarly to HR and use a good blend of the youth with squad players. We saw with Harry that the youngsters put in good performances so in the early stages what is the harm.

I don't think its fair to compare, because 1) Sterling has pace and it is easier for a youngster to adapt to the PL if they have pace. 2) Liverpool had nothing to play for as they were 8 points behind the EL places. We haven't been in that position. 3) Liverpool only had Downing, Kuyt and Rodriguez that play out wide and none were playing well that season.

@Blake Griffin I'd also add one more reason to all those above. Going along with point 3 due to weak competition Rodgers could afford to turn to his youth and he used Suso, Sterling and Shelvey alot. So the reason Sterling was played so young is due to the 4th reason which is their academy is weaker than ours. Those were the best youngsters they have to come in and play. We have many more players ahead of Edwards and Onomah who deserve genune game time.

Also I can't remember the quote but as a club I remember reading that our aim was to make our players ready for genuine first team competition around 22/23 which is currently what we are doing successfully.

 

[IGSpur]

Just looking at wikipedia Ajer has a ridiculous 8 in 13 goal ratio this season. I know that's the Norwegian league but at 17, that's impressive. Consider he was 16 for the majority of the season and it's even more impressive. There's a ton to like about him as well, starting with the fact that he's 6'5" and just looking at his gait and height resembles Matic a lot.

In this one he looks like Fellaini almost, winning headers and playing up top in an attacking midfield role. Nice finish also. I couldn't find the video, but apparently he has multiple assists from knock-down headers this season to go along with the goals. Warning - the music is terrible in both videos.



Whereas, here, I see almost a Schneiderlin. He's playing deep - that kind of positional versatility is what we could use. Noticed he reads the game pretty well but he's slow and has a habit of going for the sliding challenges. He has a great range of passing though and seems to be very good aerially. I'm actually very impressed by him - think he would become a big player for us.



It's only two youtube compilations but he has immediately transferrable skills. I think we should take a serious look at him and try to sign him before a bigger club gets him.

I mentioned earlier, other than Amos who has had a breakthrough last season and might be in our 2nd bracket of talent atm, we lack a proper DM in the academy, with really only Stylianides and Owens competing in a hodling role and while they look decent neither have stamped their mark as being a future first teamer, though I do like Owens. Next in line is Marsh who we will see next year, then when you consider Lesniak probably doesn't have a future, I wouldn't be against brinign him in. But that is only as a DM.

 

[beats1]

Onomah had his first appearance for the U21 before Bentaleb, let that sink in

The season we finished 2nd in the U21 PL, Onomah came on as a sub against Newcastle 4 months after turning 15!!!!

 

[IGSpur]

Onomah had his first appearance for the U21 before Bentaleb, let that sink in

The season we finished 2nd in the U21 PL, Onomah came on as a sub against Newcastle 4 months after turning 15!!!!

Crazy init. There was a point where he was more senior despite being younger people struggle to believe that Onomah could be better than Bentaleb at the same age despite most not having seen Bentaleb before his debut. Let's hope Onomah reallly gets an opportunity next year and shows everyone what he can do

 

[Lilbaz]

Talking of Onomah

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2015/06...mauricio-pochettino-reflects-on-tour/211842/?

We've had no injuries. So what's going on? He wouldn't go into the U21's would he?

 

[IGSpur]

I like him. Thought was a bit sloppy to start against Malaysia but definitely got better and also like his short cameo against Sydney. For some reason I'm excited by him the most - dunno why that is

I thought he struggled first half too against Malayasia and improved massively in the 2nd, Missed the 2nd half against Sydney.

I asked you specifically as I know you had a couple of doubts regarding some of the young players and were eager to see them play particularly him. Glad to see he has impressed.He has a good footballing brain I think so looks ready to adapt

 

[IGSpur]

Talking of Onomah

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2015/06...mauricio-pochettino-reflects-on-tour/211842/?

We've had no injuries. So what's going on? He wouldn't go into the U21's would he?

Euro u21s? definitely not, whether we think he'd be good enough or not, he isn't known enough. I doubt RLC will even make the squad and his hype is on another level to Josh's. @Spursidol said injury, where did you hear that from or were you making an assumption.

I'd like to think he got pulled to get rest before our preseason and is genuinely being considered. The fact that KWP hasn't may suggest that Walker will be fit and/or we will be signing Trippier so may not be part of our preseason, but it's all guess work.

 

[yankspurs]

@yankspurs actually AVB was still poor compared to Poch. AVB handed noone debuts. Townsend, Kane, Carroll, Rose, Fredericks, Caulker and LIvermore were all handed their debuts by Redknapp.

In the EL quite a few of them received decent amount of game time, something we can only dream of for our current crop but that was due to how HR treated the competition as opposed to maybe believing they were good enough. As only Livermore and Rose featured in significant games i.e. the PL. While I would love to win the EL and believe it should be taken seriously but I do hope we use it similarly to HR and use a good blend of the youth with squad players. We saw with Harry that the youngsters put in good performances so in the early stages what is the harm.





@Blake Griffin I'd also add one more reason to all those above. Going along with point 3 due to weak competition Rodgers could afford to turn to his youth and he used Suso, Sterling and Shelvey alot. So the reason Sterling was played so young is due to the 4th reason which is their academy is weaker than ours. Those were the best youngsters they have to come in and play. We have many more players ahead of Edwards and Onomah who deserve genune game time.

Also I can't remember the quote but as a club I remember reading that our aim was to make our players ready for genuine first team competition around 22/23 which is currently what we are doing successfully.

Fair enough. Dont really wanna continue this debate right now in this thread. Another time, another thread.

Sorry if already posted here, but US u20s play at 3AM my time tomorrow, so 8AM UK time today(lol). So another chance to see CCV play.

 

[spurs9]

Fair enough. Dont really wanna continue this debate right now in this thread. Another time, another thread.

Sorry if already posted here, but US u20s play at 3AM my time tomorrow, so 8AM UK time today(lol). So another chance to see CCV play.

If USA win, they qualify for the next stage.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Who did Grant Ward join us from (wiki says he joined in 2011 or is that just when he signed on professionally)?

He's a player that's already surprised me. Was expecting a defensive midfielder and got a very capable tricky winger in the Sydney game instead.

 

[spurs9]

Who did Grant Ward join us from (wiki says he joined in 2011 or is that just when he signed on professionally)?

He's a player that's already surprised me. Was expecting a defensive midfielder and got a very capable tricky winger in the Sydney game instead.

That will just be when he signed a scholarship, as he would have been 16 then and on Mason's & Kane's profile on our website, it also says they joined when 16, but we know they have been here since 12 (I think Mason has actually been with us since he was about 8).

 

[Flashspur]

Yahaya or whatever the lads name is, showing off. They are all trying to outdo Lamela now

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/watch-spurs-youngster-musa-yahaya-5805342

 

[spurs9]

I don't envy you S9. I really mean to watch these games but 5am is a real struggle lol. Thanks for your updates.

First thing I saw when I woke up was his rabona pass, and I thought the same thing as you, my mate better be wrong.



He lots a lot bigger compared to his highlights video, from the u17 WC. Combination of natural growth and maybe some work at Spurs. Good to see.



What channel are these games on? I can't find them on Eurosport or BT. Did you record this game in the end? If so anyway you can upload to somewhere.

Have also seen/heard good things about the City player, and S9 maybe I shouldn't have been so cynical. As people have posted he his a year older than Yahaya hence able to sign. Guess no loopholing by City.

Iheanacho played in a friendly for City when he was just 17, so I wonder if Yahaya would be able to for us.

It's a funny situation with Yahaya, the commentators say he is a Spurs player, every media outlet is saying he is a Spurs player and he even shows as a Spurs player on the FIFA site, yet out official site did an U20 WC report on how CCV & Milos did in their first games, but no mention of Yahaya. The report was put up before Nigeria played, but you would think they wouldn't do the report until all of our players had played or at least put a comment saying he is due to play. They also mentioned when Milos & CCV's next games would be as well as the opposition they would be facing.

I think you need to get hold of your mate and give him the 3rd degree.

 

[edson]

I mentioned earlier, other than Amos who has had a breakthrough last season and might be in our 2nd bracket of talent atm, we lack a proper DM in the academy, with really only Stylianides and Owens competing in a hodling role and while they look decent neither have stamped their mark as being a future first teamer, though I do like Owens. Next in line is Marsh who we will see next year, then when you consider Lesniak probably doesn't have a future, I wouldn't be against brinign him in. But that is only as a DM.

I would be shocked if Owens does not make it with Spurs good in the tackle very good passer OK in the air and a good size for a DM,every time I have watched the under 18s he has been one of the standout players and as for Amos he should be with the u21s next season when he plays for the 18s you can see it is too easy for him and is strolling through the games both players are a huge talent.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

@yankspurs , or anyone else that is watching - I have a crap stream- is CCV number 4?

Worked it out now!

He's put some solid tackles in this second half- didn't watch the first one...

 

[newbie]

raheem sterling made his liverpool premier league debut at the age of 17 years and 3 months, can anyone see spurs ever repeating this with one of our own? we seem to be incredibly reluctant to bring through any player until they're around the 21-23 age range - kane, townsend, pritchard, mason. as long as he stays then the interest in edwards could end up being a good thing if it means we speed up the process a bit.

I think its different I don't think we have a Raheem sterling in our academy someone who can play wide and is stupidly fast as well as his other talents, most of our players are not physically imposing for there age or have outrageous pace, and a lot of our talent paly in positions where you need to have a bit of physicality. If you have outrageous pace it makes you very dangerous if you can use it look at Michael Owen 1998.

Winks, CM
Onomah (made his debut at 17) possibly has the attirbutes for right now
Milos CB CDM is he physically ready ? possibly
CCV playing CB he might start young but its a big ask to play against players like Benteke, or Aguro at 17.

compare to young break thoughs

Lennon outrageous pace
Walcott again outrageous pace
Ronney built like a man again had pace
barkley big guy built like a man.
Milner leeds were desperate.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

During 2nd half from Twitter:

Writer for American Soccer Now:
Brian Sciaretta ‏@BrianSciaretta 20m20 minutes ago
Carter-Vickers is just having a monster of a game in central defense so far #USAvNZL

Jayden Thompson ‏@AirJayden23 37s38 seconds ago
Carter-Vickers is a monster. Just an absolute beast. #OneNationOneTeam #U20WC #USAvsNZL

Rhys ‏@RhysOfM 9s10 seconds ago
It's crazy that Carter-Vickers is only 17, could easily see him as a USMNT regular by the time he is 19/20.

Scotty Dickey ‏@otscotty now1 minute ago
Carter-Vickers is a beast. That is all. #U20WorldCup #USMNT

Chaka Simbeye ‏@chaka_simbeye 1m1 minute agoU
Carter-Vickers looks a very sturdy defender. Plays for Tottenham and US took him from England.Hasn't lost his concentration once in the game

Trevor Neary ‏@tnea_21 2m2 minutes ago
Stand out players have been carter-vickers & gedion for sure

From US Soccer Forum:

I wonder why England let CCV go so easily?

This might be one of the few and first times a top nation regrets losing a player to us
CCV might start for us in Russia

-CCV looks like he's 27. Might be the beard.

-CCV is a BEAST

-While we go gaga for the attack, CCV is putting on a defensive clinic. The ceiling for this kid is crazy high.

-shocking he's only 17
Obvious why Spurs are so high on him though

-CCV is the defensive MVP

-I'ts a pleasure to see CCV and MM win every aerial ball and clean up the garbage back there. Miazga needs to cool it though.


Andy Edwards ‏@AndyEdMLS now1 minute ago
There are true difference-makers at every level of this U-20 team, and that is a good feeling. Carter-Vickers, Hyndman, Zelalem, Rubin.


Alex ‏@AnfieldUSA 58s58 seconds ago
Some really good performances by some #USMNT U20s who play club ball in England: Zelalem (Arsenal), Carter-Vickers (Spurs), Hyndman (Fulham)


Chris Chang ‏@ChrisChang 5m5 minutes ago
@Shollow1 How much of a beast is Carter-Vickers? #Spurs

Nate Winslow ‏@nate_winslow 8m8 minutes ago
@DrGMLaTulippe Emerson and Carter-Vickers too. Unreal poise and game IQ for a 17 year old, and his physical skillset is terrifying already.


Aaron Cranford ‏@akcranford now50 seconds ago
Offensive MOTM: Rubio Rubin (Honorable mention: Gedion Zelalem & Bradford Jamieson) Defensive MOTM: Cameron Carter-Vickers

 

[joseph]

He still get the work permit imo, he will get as a special talent dispensation, he did well in U17 world cup and so far done well in U20 world cup

If he doesn't get a work permit and Nathan does, it will just prove there something seriously wrong with the FA panel especially since they have produced the square root of fuck all

Iheanacho got his permit because he won the MVP award. I think spurs will struggle to show sufficient tangible evidence to get Yahaya a work permit through the special talent route. Unless he wins an award at this tournament i doubt he would be able to play for spurs until he gets the requisite number of senior national team call up which could be many many years from now.

I don't think he's even allowed to stay in UK hence why i think he isn't training/playing officially as he probably came in on a tourist visa. I think Spurs must really really rate him highly to even consider the hassle. Stupid move for him though

 

[mark87]

Need to get ccv on a new deal, doesn't his current one run out next June?

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

During 2nd half from Twitter:

Writer for American Soccer Now:
Brian Sciaretta ‏@BrianSciaretta 20m20 minutes ago
Carter-Vickers is just having a monster of a game in central defense so far #USAvNZL

Jayden Thompson ‏@AirJayden23 37s38 seconds ago
Carter-Vickers is a monster. Just an absolute beast. #OneNationOneTeam #U20WC #USAvsNZL

Rhys ‏@RhysOfM 9s10 seconds ago
It's crazy that Carter-Vickers is only 17, could easily see him as a USMNT regular by the time he is 19/20.

Scotty Dickey ‏@otscotty now1 minute ago
Carter-Vickers is a beast. That is all. #U20WorldCup #USMNT

Chaka Simbeye ‏@chaka_simbeye 1m1 minute agoU
Carter-Vickers looks a very sturdy defender. Plays for Tottenham and US took him from England.Hasn't lost his concentration once in the game

Trevor Neary ‏@tnea_21 2m2 minutes ago
Stand out players have been carter-vickers & gedion for sure

From US Soccer Forum:

I wonder why England let CCV go so easily?

This might be one of the few and first times a top nation regrets losing a player to us
CCV might start for us in Russia

-CCV looks like he's 27. Might be the beard.

-CCV is a BEAST

-While we go gaga for the attack, CCV is putting on a defensive clinic. The ceiling for this kid is crazy high.

-shocking he's only 17
Obvious why Spurs are so high on him though

-CCV is the defensive MVP

-I'ts a pleasure to see CCV and MM win every aerial ball and clean up the garbage back there. Miazga needs to cool it though.


Andy Edwards ‏@AndyEdMLS now1 minute ago
There are true difference-makers at every level of this U-20 team, and that is a good feeling. Carter-Vickers, Hyndman, Zelalem, Rubin.


Alex ‏@AnfieldUSA 58s58 seconds ago
Some really good performances by some #USMNT U20s who play club ball in England: Zelalem (Arsenal), Carter-Vickers (Spurs), Hyndman (Fulham)


Chris Chang ‏@ChrisChang 5m5 minutes ago
@Shollow1 How much of a beast is Carter-Vickers? #Spurs

Nate Winslow ‏@nate_winslow 8m8 minutes ago
@DrGMLaTulippe Emerson and Carter-Vickers too. Unreal poise and game IQ for a 17 year old, and his physical skillset is terrifying already.

In summary: He's an absolute beast with brains.