The All New Spurs U21, U18 & Other Youth News Thread

[spurs9]

Iheanacho got his permit because he won the MVP award. I think spurs will struggle to show sufficient tangible evidence to get Yahaya a work permit through the special talent route. Unless he wins an award at this tournament i doubt he would be able to play for spurs until he gets the requisite number of senior national team call up which could be many many years from now.

I don't think he's even allowed to stay in UK hence why i think he isn't training/playing officially as he probably came in on a tourist visa. I think Spurs must really really rate him highly to even consider the hassle. Stupid move for him though

He is a year younger than Iheanacho, yet was also a star of that tournament. Do you know for a fact that Iheanacho only got a WP because he was MVP or are you just guessing?

 

[Romulus]

really would love to see CCV get some minutes pre season, if hes good enough hes old enough

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

really would love to see CCV get some minutes pre season, if hes good enough hes old enough

Agreed, of course you can't tell at the moment how he would fare against a Benteke etc, but to me- his overall skillset inc mental and physical attributes (as well of course his defensive ability)make him look more ready for first team involvement than the other highly rated youth players such as Onomah from what I have seen.

 

[newbie]

Agreed, of course you can't tell at the moment how he would fare against a Benteke etc, but to me- his overall skillset inc mental and physical attributes (as well of course his defensive ability)make him look more ready for first team involvement than the other highly rated youth players such as Onomah from what I have seen.

I don't think as it is any of our CB can handle a Benteke lol or do you remember Kevin Davis he always messed us up.

 

[joseph]

He is a year younger than Iheanacho, yet was also a star of that tournament. Do you know for a fact that Iheanacho only got a WP because he was MVP or are you just guessing?

Not for a fact, just from my little knowledge on immigration rules. I believe City had to "convince" the home office Iheanacho is a special talent and i believe the MVP sure helps. Mikel Obi was the second best player after messi at the u20 championship and i think that was why he could get a work permit for chelsea then. I can't think of any other young african who got a work permit without an award to show tangible evidence of talent.

 

[nightgoat]

He brought Townsend and Rose into the first team and im pretty sure he played Falque a few times, along with Kane. Think he had a few others on the bench at times too, like Obika. But Sherwood handed Kane his first PL starts.

Caulker as well. He used Carroll more than any other Spurs manager I can remember, although I believe it was Redknapp who gave Carroll his debut.

and bentaleb ... and pritchard ... and veljkovic. we also have to remember that tim was only in charge for a 1/3 of the time that avb was, i'm pretty certain winks and onomah would've joined that list by now if he was still here too.

Pritchard was only given 7 minutes when he was available for the last three (meaningless) games of the season. Veljkovic fared slightly better, getting 2 and 28 minutes in two of those games. Most likely Pochettino will give them both their first starts, same with Winks and Onomah.

 

[nightgoat]

Lennon didn't even sign for us until he was 18. Plus, he had pace and a full season in the championship with Leeds.

It's also worth remembering that Lennon's path to the first team was made easier by the fact that Wayne Routledge, who we signed in the same summer as a first team player, suffered a bad injury on his debut so Lennon got (and took) his first team chance earlier than expected/intended.

 

[IGSpur]

Caulker as well. He used Carroll more than any other Spurs manager I can remember, although I believe it was Redknapp who gave Carroll his debut.



Pritchard was only given 7 minutes when he was available for the last three (meaningless) games of the season. Veljkovic fared slightly better, getting 2 and 28 minutes in two of those games. Most likely Pochettino will give them both their first starts, same with Winks and Onomah.

Harry Redknapp gave Caulker his debut against Arsenal in the League Cup. I realised AVB didn't give any academy players debuts.

 

[yankspurs]

Sounds like CCV had a good game. I only watched like the first 20 min then fell back asleep. In that 20min, CCV had a towering powerful header miss a post that Jameison knocked back in(or Rubin got a needless touch on it). On the defensive end, he stopped a sure goal deep in the box. on a slide which forced the attacker off balance. There were calls for a penalty on it, but a goal kick was rightly given.

 

[IGSpur]

Not for a fact, just from my little knowledge on immigration rules. I believe City had to "convince" the home office Iheanacho is a special talent and i believe the MVP sure helps. Mikel Obi was the second best player after messi at the u20 championship and i think that was why he could get a work permit for chelsea then. I can't think of any other young african who got a work permit without an award to show tangible evidence of talent.

Did Mikel get an actual tangible award for that? Hope Yahaya can do the same

Iheanacho played in a friendly for City when he was just 17, so I wonder if Yahaya would be able to for us.

It's a funny situation with Yahaya, the commentators say he is a Spurs player, every media outlet is saying he is a Spurs player and he even shows as a Spurs player on the FIFA site, yet out official site did an U20 WC report on how CCV & Milos did in their first games, but no mention of Yahaya. The report was put up before Nigeria played, but you would think they wouldn't do the report until all of our players had played or at least put a comment saying he is due to play. They also mentioned when Milos & CCV's next games would be as well as the opposition they would be facing.

I think you need to get hold of your mate and give him the 3rd degree.

Hopefully I see him this weekend, but it seems like if what he says is true this may be the reason why. Could be the club suspect that they may not be able to get a WP granted for him, and I doubt he'd know the full ins and outs of that stuff and hence why as @beats1 said he is still telling people he is a Spurs player. Will update you guys if/when I can though.

 

[IGSpur]

Who did Grant Ward join us from (wiki says he joined in 2011 or is that just when he signed on professionally)?

He's a player that's already surprised me. Was expecting a defensive midfielder and got a very capable tricky winger in the Sydney game instead.

He is very much a utility man now. He started off in the academy I believe playing on the wings and full back, basically wherever there was a gap. He went to the MLS as a right winger, and came back playing DM for the u21s. Impressive transition. He also played against us as a winger for Chicago Fire in last years preseason.

 

[IGSpur]

I would be shocked if Owens does not make it with Spurs good in the tackle very good passer OK in the air and a good size for a DM,every time I have watched the under 18s he has been one of the standout players and as for Amos he should be with the u21s next season when he plays for the 18s you can see it is too easy for him and is strolling through the games both players are a huge talent.

Ye I did make sure I put in that I liked him but I do still think he doesn't 'shine' so to speak. I don't think most people will look at him and think he will be a top player but I think I have seen enough of him to think he could be a really good player in the future. His style reminds me of Carrick. Amos will be playing u21s next season as he will be too old for the academy, I look forward to seeing him continue to develop.

 

[thekneaf]

To those in the know, who is our best prospect between the sticks in the youth set up?

 

[IGSpur]

During 2nd half from Twitter:

Writer for American Soccer Now:
Brian Sciaretta ‏@BrianSciaretta 20m20 minutes ago
Carter-Vickers is just having a monster of a game in central defense so far #USAvNZL

Jayden Thompson ‏@AirJayden23 37s38 seconds ago
Carter-Vickers is a monster. Just an absolute beast. #OneNationOneTeam #U20WC #USAvsNZL

Rhys ‏@RhysOfM 9s10 seconds ago
It's crazy that Carter-Vickers is only 17, could easily see him as a USMNT regular by the time he is 19/20.

Scotty Dickey ‏@otscotty now1 minute ago
Carter-Vickers is a beast. That is all. #U20WorldCup #USMNT

Chaka Simbeye ‏@chaka_simbeye 1m1 minute agoU
Carter-Vickers looks a very sturdy defender. Plays for Tottenham and US took him from England.Hasn't lost his concentration once in the game

Trevor Neary ‏@tnea_21 2m2 minutes ago
Stand out players have been carter-vickers & gedion for sure

From US Soccer Forum:

I wonder why England let CCV go so easily?

This might be one of the few and first times a top nation regrets losing a player to us
CCV might start for us in Russia

-CCV looks like he's 27. Might be the beard.

-CCV is a BEAST

-While we go gaga for the attack, CCV is putting on a defensive clinic. The ceiling for this kid is crazy high.

-shocking he's only 17
Obvious why Spurs are so high on him though

-CCV is the defensive MVP

-I'ts a pleasure to see CCV and MM win every aerial ball and clean up the garbage back there. Miazga needs to cool it though.


Andy Edwards ‏@AndyEdMLS now1 minute ago
There are true difference-makers at every level of this U-20 team, and that is a good feeling. Carter-Vickers, Hyndman, Zelalem, Rubin.


Alex ‏@AnfieldUSA 58s58 seconds ago
Some really good performances by some #USMNT U20s who play club ball in England: Zelalem (Arsenal), Carter-Vickers (Spurs), Hyndman (Fulham)


Chris Chang ‏@ChrisChang 5m5 minutes ago
@Shollow1 How much of a beast is Carter-Vickers? #Spurs

Nate Winslow ‏@nate_winslow 8m8 minutes ago
@DrGMLaTulippe Emerson and Carter-Vickers too. Unreal poise and game IQ for a 17 year old, and his physical skillset is terrifying already.


Aaron Cranford ‏@akcranford now50 seconds ago
Offensive MOTM: Rubio Rubin (Honorable mention: Gedion Zelalem & Bradford Jamieson) Defensive MOTM: Cameron Carter-Vickers

Woke up to watch the 2nd half too but it was on a really skippy steam and I don't know how to improve it, but from what I saw he was just mopping everything up and looked so in control of everything. He seems to be maturing game by game, will be a great player. It's mad to think if he was born a couple of hours later he would be in the same age group as Edwards and Sterling. It's easy to forgot how young he is. We really do have some incredible players coming through.

 

[IGSpur]

To those in the know, who is our best prospect between the sticks in the youth set up?

Probably Glover. McGee is rated highly and he is decent but he seems to be slightly error prone,. Thing is with keepers though is that their mistakes are magnified.

We have Voss but he doesn't fill me with confidence. Haven't seen enough of McDermott,

Glover has always impressed me, he's really loud and fiery, a great shot stopper with reactions and brave. He is still only 17 and is playing for Australia u20s, and like US Australia produce good keepers so to be featuring for them so young is a good sign.

The next would be Whiteman (16) who has kept for England u17s and is injured at the moment. Thing is when I have seen him for Eng u16s and 17s I haven't been impressed he has looked a bit shaky but it's only 2/3 games. The fact he is ahead of lord knows how many other keepers in his age group obviously suggests he is really good so I'd say he is another to look out for.

 

[Blake Griffin]

i really like amos. maybe it's because having started out more as an attacking midfielder he's better on the ball than your typical dm but he also shows a lot of composure in his play, he seems to have that tenacity as well similar to the likes of rose and bentaleb.

 

[newbie]

In summary: He's an absolute beast with brains.

his not that tall but he is stocky.

Woke up to watch the 2nd half too but it was on a really skippy steam and I don't know how to improve it, but from what I saw he was just mopping everything up and looked so in control of everything. He seems to be maturing game by game, will be a great player. It's mad to think if he was born a couple of hours later he would be in the same age group as Edwards and Sterling. It's easy to forgot how young he is. We really do have some incredible players coming through.

True its why we need stability and to keep our manager he needs to be encouraged to bring though young players, I think CCV has been very intelligent by playing for USA as he seems to be progressing fast by playing far above his age, I doubt he would have got anywhere near the exp playing for England I doubt he would have got a game for the under 21s.

 

[Spursidol]

To those in the know, who is our best prospect between the sticks in the youth set up?

As you know, generally GK's are a few years older than outfield players before they are good enough for first team action.

At the moment Luke McGee (not yet 20) is the closest to playing in the first team - and he might get a few minutes in a pre-season friendly (as he did last season), but doubt he will play in a competitive first team game this coming season.

Longer term, Tom Glover (still 17) seems to be doing the best - just come back from playing for Australian u20 team.

 

[thekneaf]

As you know, generally GK's are a few years older than outfield players before they are good enough for first team action.

At the moment Luke McGee (not yet 20) is the closest to playing in the first team - and he might get a few minutes in a pre-season friendly (as he did last season), but doubt he will play in a competitive first team game this coming season.

Longer term, Tom Glover (still 17) seems to be doing the best - just come back from playing for Australian u20 team.

Glover, great, I love a bit of nominative determinism.

 

[Blake Griffin]

anyone seen mourinho's comments on loftus-cheek today? maybe it's a case of tough love but i'm glad poch would never publically slate a young player like that, or any player really.