The Are Tottenham Still A Bigger Club Than Chelsea Thread...
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As others have said this is a difficult question. The definition of a big club can be measured in different ways and it's hard to quantify these different spheres sometimes let alone include the various factors in a whole scenario. Financially Chelsea have a bigger turnover but we made more profit - who is more succesfull ? When it comes to generating turnover Chelsea are bigger, when it comes to making profit we are. On the pitch, where do you draw the line. Are we a bigger club because we have a far bigger trophy cabinet and continue to win something decade on decade or does Chelsea's recent League wins make them bigger ? Who has the biggest fan base ? If we both had 60k stadiums, who would attract more fans week in week out, especially if both were competing at the top 4.
I honestly believe we are a bigger "club". I'll try and rationalise why:
1. We have are far deeper history of achievement that is still being added to.History can't be ignored becasue it is this history that has invariably made clubs "big" in the traditional sense.
2. As a result of chelsea's recent success our worldwide fan bases are probably similar.
3. We are still more profitable despite our lack competion for the league/CL
4. Their success is largely Roman Abramovich's personal success. Without him they would not only not be competing at the top they may well be where Leeds are now.
But the are subjective's in there I know. Have Chelsea been more successful recently ? yes, of course. Was that success built on decades of tradition of success and style and inovation ? no.
Do we still compete on transfer spend despite never having played CL ? yes. How ? good fiscal management that capitalises on the fact that we have a magnificent fan base.
Do we fil our ground and away grounds every week despite rarely being in the top4 ? yes. Would chelsea ? no. they don't now.
I honestly believe we are a bigger "club". I'll try and rationalise why:
1. We have are far deeper history of achievement that is still being added to.History can't be ignored becasue it is this history that has invariably made clubs "big" in the traditional sense.
2. As a result of chelsea's recent success our worldwide fan bases are probably similar.
3. We are still more profitable despite our lack competion for the league/CL
4. Their success is largely Roman Abramovich's personal success. Without him they would not only not be competing at the top they may well be where Leeds are now.
But the are subjective's in there I know. Have Chelsea been more successful recently ? yes, of course. Was that success built on decades of tradition of success and style and inovation ? no.
Do we still compete on transfer spend despite never having played CL ? yes. How ? good fiscal management that capitalises on the fact that we have a magnificent fan base.
Do we fil our ground and away grounds every week despite rarely being in the top4 ? yes. Would chelsea ? no. they don't now.
hellava_tough
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Chelsea piss me off mightily for the following reasons:
1) They're all money and no class.
2) With the money they've got they could have constructed a really attractive footballing side. But, no, they decided instead to hire some of the best mercenaries, er I mean 'footballers', in the world to play a turgidly defensive style in an effort to grind out results.
3) For a club that was extremely close to going into financial melt-down, you'd think the Chelsea fans would be a little more gracious in victory after winning the equivalent of the footballing lottery. But what do we get? Every spineless Chelsea-supporting chav and moron from West London to John-o-Groats imparting their footballing knowledge on the rest of us mere-mortals, lauding their team's exploits and pontificating about just how great it is to be supporting the 'biggest' team in the world.
4) When the 'what makes a big-club' debate raises its head in the pub/office/train/etc Chelsea fans are the quickest to discount a club's history; for them it has nothing to do with past glories. I wonder why? Could it be that their 'huge' club only had sporadic moments of success before the mid-90s? Or is it that until very recently Chelsea FC has been supported by the most despicable scum known to man, who think nothing of chanting racist slogans and making 'hilarious' references to the mass extermination of a race of people at the hands of the Nazis?
5) If having bigotted, neanderthal, supporters wasn't enough, Chelsea have quite the collection of mercenaries, idiots, misogynists, cheats and primadonnas playing for them, as well as a grey toad-like creature as head coach.
6) Whilst on the subject of their playing staff, I think His Chavness Ashley Cole needs a special mention; what a ****! [PS Would anyone else here have the stupidity to cheat on Cheryl Tweedy?]
7) The plastic Chelsea fans that seemed to have spread like a rash, enveloping the UK in a new-wave of cheap track suits and Tommy Hill-FINGER chic.
8) And last, but certainly not least, the orchestrator of Chelsea's renaissance; Mr Abramovich. Okay, he may be a Russian oil oligarch who made his fortune in the fire-sale of public assets after the collapse of the Soviet Union. And he may be great friends with the Kremilin and that great promoter of human rights, Vladimir Putin. And I know he's suspected of doing a few dodgy deals here and there. But come on guys? He's not all bad. Is he? :shrug:
1) They're all money and no class.
2) With the money they've got they could have constructed a really attractive footballing side. But, no, they decided instead to hire some of the best mercenaries, er I mean 'footballers', in the world to play a turgidly defensive style in an effort to grind out results.
3) For a club that was extremely close to going into financial melt-down, you'd think the Chelsea fans would be a little more gracious in victory after winning the equivalent of the footballing lottery. But what do we get? Every spineless Chelsea-supporting chav and moron from West London to John-o-Groats imparting their footballing knowledge on the rest of us mere-mortals, lauding their team's exploits and pontificating about just how great it is to be supporting the 'biggest' team in the world.
4) When the 'what makes a big-club' debate raises its head in the pub/office/train/etc Chelsea fans are the quickest to discount a club's history; for them it has nothing to do with past glories. I wonder why? Could it be that their 'huge' club only had sporadic moments of success before the mid-90s? Or is it that until very recently Chelsea FC has been supported by the most despicable scum known to man, who think nothing of chanting racist slogans and making 'hilarious' references to the mass extermination of a race of people at the hands of the Nazis?
5) If having bigotted, neanderthal, supporters wasn't enough, Chelsea have quite the collection of mercenaries, idiots, misogynists, cheats and primadonnas playing for them, as well as a grey toad-like creature as head coach.
6) Whilst on the subject of their playing staff, I think His Chavness Ashley Cole needs a special mention; what a ****! [PS Would anyone else here have the stupidity to cheat on Cheryl Tweedy?]
7) The plastic Chelsea fans that seemed to have spread like a rash, enveloping the UK in a new-wave of cheap track suits and Tommy Hill-FINGER chic.
8) And last, but certainly not least, the orchestrator of Chelsea's renaissance; Mr Abramovich. Okay, he may be a Russian oil oligarch who made his fortune in the fire-sale of public assets after the collapse of the Soviet Union. And he may be great friends with the Kremilin and that great promoter of human rights, Vladimir Putin. And I know he's suspected of doing a few dodgy deals here and there. But come on guys? He's not all bad. Is he? :shrug:
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mitch8the8spur
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r we in the champions league final?
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mitch8the8spur
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Er...yes?
dude i want one of those time machines to!!
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pablo73
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I think you've misunderstood the question - it wasn't do Chelsea have a better team than us...
Fordy
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There you are :grin:
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Wsussexspur
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I hate to say it but at the moment and judging by the last 4 or 5 seasons Chelsea are a bigger club than us down to success they have had! However we all know that success is mainly thanks to one man Abramovich. Once he gets bored of his hobby (Chelsea) and pulls the plug on them they will fall quicker than leeds did! Then we will see where all these Chelsea "fans" who have crept out of the wood work and whose memory of football starts at 2004 go! Historically Tottenham and many other clubs like Villa, Everton obvouisly Man utd, Liverpool As***al are alot bigger and better supported than Chelsea!
worcestersauce
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I think you're going overboard there zepstar, the gap isn't that big, we only beat them 2-1 so we're better but not that much better.
General Levy
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There should be a system where you take into consideration all the points that make a club a big club, and then compare them with the top 10 clubs in England to see where they fair with each other.
I.e recent trophies won, season ticket holders, turnover etc.. about 20 different variables and then score them in a comparative manner.
IMO;
ManYoo
Liverpool/Arsenal
BIG GAP
Tottenham
Chelsea
Everton
Newcastle
Villa
Leeds
Citeh
West Ham
Etc...
I.e recent trophies won, season ticket holders, turnover etc.. about 20 different variables and then score them in a comparative manner.
IMO;
ManYoo
Liverpool/Arsenal
BIG GAP
Tottenham
Chelsea
Everton
Newcastle
Villa
Leeds
Citeh
West Ham
Etc...
camaj
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It all depends on your definition of "big club". For me it's all about the size of your fanbase. EVERYTHING comes from that. Ultimately the success of a club will be proportional to the number of people who put money into the club.
We have a massive fan base with almost no glory hunters. The top 4 clubs have a large number of glory hunters and even newcastle used gloryhunters to get where they are.
Our big problem has been a woefully small stadium. WHL has held the club back for almost 20 years now and it's a disgrace that no one has attempted to tackle it. Firstly it limits the income we can generate but possibly more importantly it gives people the impression we don't have many fans. One of the reasons people believe newcastle are a big club is they see a massive stadium with 50,000 fat blokes in it and believe they're almost as big a club as liverpool
We have a massive fan base with almost no glory hunters. The top 4 clubs have a large number of glory hunters and even newcastle used gloryhunters to get where they are.
Our big problem has been a woefully small stadium. WHL has held the club back for almost 20 years now and it's a disgrace that no one has attempted to tackle it. Firstly it limits the income we can generate but possibly more importantly it gives people the impression we don't have many fans. One of the reasons people believe newcastle are a big club is they see a massive stadium with 50,000 fat blokes in it and believe they're almost as big a club as liverpool
millhouse
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It all boils down to this
Would Spurs have returned tickets for any Cup final?
No we wouldn't hell we could have sold out Wembley for the CC final on our own.
Chelscum returned tickets for European Footballs biggest night
Chelscum never have never will be a "big" club.
Would Spurs have returned tickets for any Cup final?
No we wouldn't hell we could have sold out Wembley for the CC final on our own.
Chelscum returned tickets for European Footballs biggest night
Chelscum never have never will be a "big" club.
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