The Bell & Hare

[Yid-ol]

Do they have a Bell & Hare in Scotland?

Not that I know of, but would be a bit of a travel to get to for you guys to get to the game if there is

 

[OmarsComing]

Thought I came into a bell and hare thread, sorry people, carry on.

You're not a mod your brother is so sssssssh

 

[SpurSince57]

Oh and on the B&H, I really hope something can be sorted out. If not, looks like it'll be the Irish Center the next time I manage to make it to a game. I would try the Bricklayers but it's seemingly rammed full of hipsters these days. Or Norwegians. I get enough of that hurdy gurdy shit at home!

The Pride of Tottenham's not bad—vasty better than the Two Brewers, which was a smashing little pub when I first moved to Tottenham but was completely wrecked—and then there's the Antwerp, which was shut for a long while after a fire but has reopened. That's probably the nicest pub in Tottenham, although there's not a great deal of competition. For beer, the Gilpin Bell wins hands-down.

 

[SpurSince57]

So because you've been OK, bullets flying don't affect the area? OK.

You are close to the place you call home and I respect that. But there are good people and a community in Harehills and Chapeltown but I'm not gonna sit here tell you they're not dangerous shitholes and businesses haven't suffered as a result.

So what you're saying is, you know more about the area I've lived in for nearly 40 years than I do, on the basis of some figures? I know many people on SC need no encouragement to talk bollocks about topics of which they have no knowledge whatsoever, but you're taking this to a whole new level.

Let me try again, as you're clearly in a very dense mood at the moment. Yes, there is gun crime, but it does not impinge on the daily lives of ordinary people in any meaningful way. I have heard gunshots once in all my time in Tottenham, an attempted security van heist 30-odd years ago. You made a particularly crass comment which implied that people couldn't go out on the High Road without risking being mown down by 'flying bullets' and, despite correction, seem to be persisting with this bullshit.

If the B&H has closed for good, which isn't completely certain, it's nothing to do with crime.

And yes, I have the advantage of you in having lived in Leeds for several years, if 40 years ago, so I know Chapeltown and Harehills well, far better than you know Tottenham and Haringey.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

one day you two are going to have sex and it will be epic.

On another note - turns out i'll be at the Espanyol game with my old man (few of you met him at pre-season games before) and his mate. Last time i came down i went in the brickies but i can't say it's the kind of place they'll want to go to, so where has the B&H crowd dispersed to? Has there been a meeting and decision made? If not, when there is, can i get an email?

ta

 

[SpurSince57]

See my suggestions above, RSS. The Antwerp Arms faces on to Bruce Castle Park and there's a broad grass verge over the road, so if it's a nice day it's a good bet. Not too many flying bullets either!

 

[lillywhites61]

Boston Manor here. I feel at home in Tottenham whether it is on match day or on a wet Tuesday night in December. The locals don't bother me and I don't bother the locals. It's all the twats who live in their lovely safe little villages who think everywhere is dangerous that make me laugh. They won't kill you if you don't look scared peeps.

This. I have been going to Spurs now for 20 years, and I have never seen any trouble other than that caused by the fans themselves, maybe I have been lucky? Maybe not. I always park my car in the same area and never had a problem with it. Always walked through the area without a single issue.

It's not the nicest place in the world but growing up around Romford it doesn't seem a whole lot worse either to be fair.

Oh and I ran clubs and bars and restaurants for years, I now run a gastro pub, believe me you cannot keep a pub, club, restaurant or any other type of business open on 3-4 nights a month, it's tough work and reputation is everything. But if the only day you are busy is match day you are gonna struggle and quite simply it's not worth the hassle.

 

[monkeynick]

The Brickies wouldn't be so busy if it wasn't for the massive bald bloke and his cronies who take up the space of 40 people.

He's not had a days work since he finished filming The Goonies, I'm surprised the great lump can afford those jugs of lager he downs

 

[Kendall]

So what you're saying is, you know more about the area I've lived in for nearly 40 years than I do, on the basis of some figures? I know many people on SC need no encouragement to talk bollocks about topics of which they have no knowledge whatsoever, but you're taking this to a whole new level.

Let me try again, as you're clearly in a very dense mood at the moment. Yes, there is gun crime, but it does not impinge on the daily lives of ordinary people in any meaningful way. I have heard gunshots once in all my time in Tottenham, an attempted security van heist 30-odd years ago. You made a particularly crass comment which implied that people couldn't go out on the High Road without risking being mown down by 'flying bullets' and, despite correction, seem to be persisting with this bullshit.

If the B&H has closed for good, which isn't completely certain, it's nothing to do with crime.

And yes, I have the advantage of you in having lived in Leeds for several years, if 40 years ago, so I know Chapeltown and Harehills well, far better than you know Tottenham and Haringey.

I'm not saying I know everything about the area. I said "bullets flying every other night of the week". The stats back this up.

I couldn't give a flying fuck what you know pal. Those places are very different beasts to how they were back then - particularly the demographic. I understand why you'd be offended, but you cannot deny your local area has an issue with gun crime, you simply can't.

There is no attraction for anyone to go there at any other time than a match day, other than those that live there and a big reason for that is the crime.

 

[RichieS]

The Pride of Tottenham's not bad—vasty better than the Two Brewers, which was a smashing little pub when I first moved to Tottenham but was completely wrecked—and then there's the Antwerp, which was shut for a long while after a fire but has reopened. That's probably the nicest pub in Tottenham, although there's not a great deal of competition. For beer, the Gilpin Bell wins hands-down.

Will definitely check the Antwerp out. Thanks for the recommendation.

 

[SpurSince57]

I'm not saying I know everything about the area. I said "bullets flying every other night of the week". The stats back this up.

I couldn't give a flying fuck what you know pal. Those places are very different beasts to how they were back then - particularly the demographic. I understand why you'd be offended, but you cannot deny your local area has an issue with gun crime, you simply can't.

There is no attraction for anyone to go there at any other time than a match day, other than those that live there and a big reason for that is the crime.

Actually, Kendall, you know fuck all about the area.

Bullets don't fly every other night of the week.

At times like this I am reminded of the sage words of Canon Sydney Smith:

'Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does, he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?'

 

[Misfit]

See my suggestions above, RSS. The Antwerp Arms faces on to Bruce Castle Park and there's a broad grass verge over the road, so if it's a nice day it's a good bet. Not too many flying bullets either!

I'll definitely make a stop at the Antwerp Arms next time. Sounds nice.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

wow - do you honestly have nothing better to be doing than trawling news sites to prove someone wrong on the internet?

Dude, the guy lives there, has done most of his days. Stop trolling, trawling and twatting about, you must have something better to be doing - read what you just posted then hang your head in disappointment.

Whilst you're down there, tie off your trouser leg else the ferrets will escape.

 

[Mental_Geir]

I lived in Lordship Lane (15 mins from WHL) for half a year back in 2008, and after a while I felt more safe there than I do in my hometown in Norway with only 45k living there. I wont say its the nicest area, but its not half as bad as some people try to make it sound like. Have to admit that I was looking a bit more over my shoulder walking home at nights the first weeks living there, but after I while I realized that if I only pretended that I knew what I was doing and where I was going, I was safe. Maybe a few dodgy looks from people hanging outside tube stations and stuff, but as long as they see that you're not afraid and dont care then they wont bother to try and take your money either.

And oh, a few young guys tried to rob me when I was walking through the Bruce Castle park after a late night in the Bricklayers after a game, but I feel that it might could go down as my own fault since everyone was telling me not to walk through there when it was dark. This was around nov/dec and it was dark as f.., and the drunk me made the wrong choice really. Telling the first one who approached me asking for money to f**k off was probably not the best of ideas neither..

 

[OmarsComing]

The Tottenham area is a lot safer than it was in the late 80's and early 90's

 

[EastLondonYid]

The Tottenham area is a lot safer than it was in the late 80's and early 90's

In what sense?

 

[OmarsComing]

In what sense?

The introduction of CCTV. The farm and lordship lane was a no-go area late at night

 

[EastLondonYid]

The introduction of CCTV. The farm and lordship lane was a no-go area late at night

I was brought up in the area up untill the early 90's....and i can't agree with you mate, we never had CCTV but roamed the area as kids all day and night, CCTV may put some off comminting crime but it certainly doesn't make it safer than the 80's. The area has been negleted shamefully by successive governments and is not the place i grew up in.

 

[OmarsComing]

I was brought up in the area up untill the early 90's....and i can't agree with you mate, we never had CCTV but roamed the area as kids all day and night, CCTV may put some off comminting crime but it certainly doesn't make it safer than the 80's. The area has been negleted shamefully by successive governments and is not the place i grew up in.

Well we're going to have to disagree on this. But the main trouble spots are a lot safer now. The towers on the farm were a watered down New Jack City, drug dealing was everywhere when the crack epidemic arrived in 86/87

 

[EastLondonYid]

Well we're going to have to disagree on this. But the main trouble spots are a lot safer now.

Thats not really solving the problem, its like the FA /prem washing their hands of football hooligans by only worrying what goes on in and around their stadia, same goes for the Tottenham area, the police/govt make an effort in the high profile spots with previous history but the rest of Tottenham is a very danerous place to roam at night...very dangerous...its all politics.