The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[GlennHoddle]

Paco Flores was the coach when Espanyol won the 2000 Copa. "Pochettino had great charisma in the dressing room," he says. "He never, ever accepted defeat and there was a huge amount of respect for him, almost like the hierarchy when you're doing military service. He really motivated his team-mates. He was a leader, a strong personality. There was also a powerful communion between players and fans and he saw the importance of that. He used that very well."

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/nov/22/mauricio-pochettino-southampton-espanyol

Cheers mate, very informative, just float in and out myself so appreciate posts like this

 

[Veuve Clicquot]

Agree but maybe DL has his hands tied. (Joe Lewis)

If that's the case and it is a Joe Lewis decision then I would be intrigued to know how he has come to the conclusion that Poch is a better choice than De Boer considering he probably won't have spoken to either and is apparently not very interested in the football side of the business!

 

[$hoguN]

If that's the case and it is a Joe Lewis decision then I would be intrigued to know how he has come to the conclusion that Poch is a better choice than De Boer considering he probably won't have spoken to either and is apparently not very interested in the football side of the business!

He is a Spurs fan and does watch us. There is even an article on it somewhere with an interview with him

 

[Ghost Hardware]

So A Yid is saying its between Poch and Rafa, what the fuck happened to FDB? I just cant quit figure out why he has seemingly dropped out of the running.

 

[GMI]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if we sign Poch, Utd get Ancelotti, Wenger leaves for Monaco, FDB goes to Arsenal and LVG vanishes in a cloud of disdain.

I have a feeling FDB, Bergkamp et al will end up at Arsenal.

 

[ardiles]

At the biggest Club in Holland. I'm not being facetious, its an excellent achievement and I know he's lost some of his best players but it still requires perspective.

You could view both as risky when weighing everything up but I don't see how anyone can present he's less of a risk given he's never even managed here.

In general, I'd agree with you but it is not always the case. Just ask Moyes. I would not include the Community Shield as it was a one-off and admittedly, against weaker opponents.

SAF won the league last season, with lots to spare, and with practically the same main players bar Fellaini and Mata.

Its no guarantee that placing any manager at the biggest club in any league would guarantee success/trophies.

 

[indianspurs]

I have a feeling FDB, Bergkamp et al will end up at Arsenal.

Wouldn't surprise me since Bergkamp is like God to them and FDB ticks all the right boxes.

He's sold players worth 100 million and bought 20 million, 80 million profit at Ajax. He used to losing his best players year after year and has done well with the younger lot. He's used to the pressure of winning at Ajax and managing mid week European games. He's remained competitive against teams like Madrid, City and Barca in Europe.

He'll be an ideal candidate. He's young so will give them stability, doesn't spend a lot but I feel with their debt almost cleared they will give him money if needed and is used to the pressure.

What's sad is all those qualities are exactly what we need but are being overlooked atm.

 

[Beni]

Surely Southampton would have leaked something to the media, they've given us permission to speak with poch and it's all agreed.

 

[sunnydelight786]

Our itk's record of late has been patchy at best. I would take what they are saying with a lorry load of salt. Correct me if I'm wrong but JJ 2 years back was stating AVB was not even in consideration....

 

[SteveH]

IF FDB is out of the running it is due in large part to his lack of experience outside the Eredivisie.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Surely Southampton would have leaked something to the media, they've given us permission to speak with poch and it's all agreed.

#1225 do with that what you wish

 

[Mr Pink]

Our itk's record of late has been patchy at best. I would take what they are saying with a lorry load of salt. Correct me if I'm wrong but JJ 2 years back was stating AVB was not even in consideration....

If he was saying FDB was done I doubt you'd be questioning it lol

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Well this is disappointing.

 

[Beni]

#1225 do with that what you wish

Obviously we all want a new manager in as quickly as possible. But we still have plenty of time to do this, and no point rushing into making an appointment.
I think we will speak with the likes of De Boer, Poch and Benitez, but I can see us waiting on what happens with Ancelotti.
With hopefully living in London before, and Baldinis influence, there could be a possibility of getting him or LVG if Man U go for someone else. That's what I'd hope Levy is doing.

 

[Tit&Ham]

I'm on the fence regarding the next manager... Will of course support him whoever it is, but I don't think any of our candidates are certain success...
1. Pochetino:
Yes, I love the fact that he is playing with a certain style and that it is quite entertaining. My issues with him are:

• Didn't do well against top teams
• Lacks a plan B (based on reports)
• Young and fairly unexperienced

And another question: Was he adding value to a fairly good Southampton squad? I mean, Shaw, Lalana, Rodriguez etc... I think I would have guessed them to be top half of the Premier League regardless of who the manager was

2. FDB:
Probably my second choice if I could choose... World Class player with playing experience from the best teams. Also very good at management level with 4 titles in a row. My issues with him are:

• No manager experience outside Netherland
• Very young

3. Benitez:
Has a good CV, and has done very well (from our standards) in almost every club.
I have one huge issue with him:

• Can't stand him as he is clearly a Liverpool fan and I'm clearly hating Liverpool with all my heart
• Also he tends to play boring football

4. Van Gaal
I reckon he is out of the contest, and I, for one, am happy with that. Yes he might have delivered good results, but he is 80 years old, and by the time he left in a year or two we would probably been worse of recruitment wise etc...

5. Martinez
My first choice but I don't think it's realistic to believe he is gonna leave Everton after one very good season.
He ticks all the boxes:

• Has a playing style
• Plays entertaining football
• Dare to use youths
• Has decent experience both as a player and manager
• Knows Premier League
• Can be with us for decades

I think the only realistic targets ATM are Poch and FDB. I think they are both exiting, but I am very uncertain that they have what it takes....

Anyway, happy times! Let's get behind the next one!!

 

[sunnydelight786]

If he was saying FDB was done I doubt you'd be questioning it lol

That is where you are wrong. I take all itk as hearsay not fact. Truth is respected journos get far more right than wrong regarding itk.

I'm not arsed who we get as no doubt within 18 months the morons amongst our support will be calling for his head as we are not playing the THFC way, whatever that is now, and smashing teams home and away.....

 

[beats1]

I'm on the fence regarding the next manager... Will of course support him whoever it is, but I don't think any of our candidates are certain success...
1. Pochetino:
Yes, I love the fact that he is playing with a certain style and that it is quite entertaining. My issues with him are:

• Didn't do well against top teams
• Lacks a plan B (based on reports)
• Young and fairly unexperienced

And another question: Was he adding value to a fairly good Southampton squad? I mean, Shaw, Lalana, Rodriguez etc... I think I would have guessed them to be top half of the Premier League regardless of who the manager was

2. FDB:
Probably my second choice if I could choose... World Class player with playing experience from the best teams. Also very good at management level with 4 titles in a row. My issues with him are:

• No manager experience outside Netherland
• Very young

3. Benitez:
Has a good CV, and has done very well (from our standards) in almost every club.
I have one huge issue with him:

• Can't stand him as he is clearly a Liverpool fan and I'm clearly hating Liverpool with all my heart
• Also he tends to play boring football

4. Van Gaal
I reckon he is out of the contest, and I, for one, am happy with that. Yes he might have delivered good results, but he is 80 years old, and by the time he left in a year or two we would probably been worse of recruitment wise etc...

5. Martinez
My first choice but I don't think it's realistic to believe he is gonna leave Everton after one very good season.
He ticks all the boxes:

• Has a playing style
• Plays entertaining football
• Dare to use youths
• Has decent experience both as a player and manager
• Knows Premier League
• Can be with us for decades

I think the only realistic targets ATM are Poch and FDB. I think they are both exiting, but I am very uncertain that they have what it takes....

Anyway, happy times! Let's get behind the next one!!

I hate to be pedantic but FDB is older than Pochettino and he has more experience than him. Worth noting he had 3 years in charge of Ajax A1 and 2 years as an assistant to Van Marwijk for the world cup

 

[Mr Pink]

That is where you are wrong. I take all itk as hearsay not fact. Truth is respected journos get far more right than wrong regarding itk.

I'm not arsed who we get as no doubt within 18 months the morons amongst our support will be calling for his head as we are not playing the THFC way, whatever that is now, and smashing teams home and away.....

I was only messing mate

 

[Beni]

I'm on the fence regarding the next manager... Will of course support him whoever it is, but I don't think any of our candidates are certain success...
1. Pochetino:
Yes, I love the fact that he is playing with a certain style and that it is quite entertaining. My issues with him are:

• Didn't do well against top teams
• Lacks a plan B (based on reports)
• Young and fairly unexperienced

And another question: Was he adding value to a fairly good Southampton squad? I mean, Shaw, Lalana, Rodriguez etc... I think I would have guessed them to be top half of the Premier League regardless of who the manager was

2. FDB:
Probably my second choice if I could choose... World Class player with playing experience from the best teams. Also very good at management level with 4 titles in a row. My issues with him are:

• No manager experience outside Netherland
• Very young

3. Benitez:
Has a good CV, and has done very well (from our standards) in almost every club.
I have one huge issue with him:

• Can't stand him as he is clearly a Liverpool fan and I'm clearly hating Liverpool with all my heart
• Also he tends to play boring football

4. Van Gaal
I reckon he is out of the contest, and I, for one, am happy with that. Yes he might have delivered good results, but he is 80 years old, and by the time he left in a year or two we would probably been worse of recruitment wise etc...

5. Martinez
My first choice but I don't think it's realistic to believe he is gonna leave Everton after one very good season.
He ticks all the boxes:

• Has a playing style
• Plays entertaining football
• Dare to use youths
• Has decent experience both as a player and manager
• Knows Premier League
• Can be with us for decades

I think the only realistic targets ATM are Poch and FDB. I think they are both exiting, but I am very uncertain that they have what it takes....

Anyway, happy times! Let's get behind the next one!!

Unfortunately not being in champs league and not won anything in years, we're never gonna be able to attract and get the perfect manager with an immaculate CV. All the managers we're linked with there's gonna be arguements for and against their records and experiences, upto whoever in charge to choose which suits us better as a club and one with the least amount of risk.

 

[Tit&Ham]

I hate to be pedantic but FDB is older than Pochettino and he has more experience than him. Worth noting he had 3 years in charge of Ajax A1 and 2 years as an assistant to Van Marwijk for the world cup

No worries But I couldn't see anything in my post that was saying anything else? Maybe should't say "very young" but other than that I feel safe