The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[Metalhead]

Not sure it would go tits up that easy for benitez as imo he has far more experience and respect about him than the others as he has been quite succesful thus far.
But its a mute point as it looks like its going to be the Southampton bod which will please some obviously.

It'll please some and hopefully those who aren't pleased will still support him.

 

[samsonlevi]

That is madness. How can you say he has learnt from these mistakes?? There is no evidence for that at all. AVB was the same so they said, he's learnt from his time at Chelsea, blah, blah. That worked well didn't it.

Fact is Pochettino shouldn't even be on the back up list to the back up list.

Ask yourself this, what other top 6 club would go for Poch?? NONE OF THEM

Now why do you think that is?? Overwhelmingly other fans don't want us to get Benitez, because they know he is the best candidate. I accept though, this doesn't look likely but we need somebody who can command instant respect of fans and players. Benitez can, De boer can ....... Pochettino frankly cannot.

Woefully under qualified for a club like ours.

Stop being a child....Liverpool went for Rogers Everton went for Martinez, United went for D.Moyes Chelsea went for....well every type of manager ever in existence (like us) city when a decent side went for Hughes, arsenal went for wenger!!

Stop thinking we are better than others. We need to find a manager that fits US not just the biggest name we can get!

 

[Metalhead]

That is madness. How can you say he has learnt from these mistakes?? There is no evidence for that at all. AVB was the same so they said, he's learnt from his time at Chelsea, blah, blah. That worked well didn't it.

Fact is Pochettino shouldn't even be on the back up list to the back up list.

Ask yourself this, what other top 6 club would go for Poch?? NONE OF THEM

Now why do you think that is?? Overwhelmingly other fans don't want us to get Benitez, because they know he is the best candidate. I accept though, this doesn't look likely but we need somebody who can command instant respect of fans and players. Benitez can, De boer can ....... Pochettino frankly cannot.

Woefully under qualified for a club like ours.

I sense a 'Pochettino out' thread coming on and he hasn't even been appointed yet!

 

[weststandvoice]

I sense a 'Pochettino out' thread coming on and he hasn't even been appointed yet!

May I be the first to say... oh, hang on

 

[The Scarecrow]

That is madness. How can you say he has learnt from these mistakes?? There is no evidence for that at all. AVB was the same so they said, he's learnt from his time at Chelsea, blah, blah. That worked well didn't it.

Fact is Pochettino shouldn't even be on the back up list to the back up list.

Ask yourself this, what other top 6 club would go for Poch?? NONE OF THEM

Now why do you think that is?? Overwhelmingly other fans don't want us to get Benitez, because they know he is the best candidate. I accept though, this doesn't look likely but we need somebody who can command instant respect of fans and players. Benitez can, De boer can ....... Pochettino frankly cannot.

Woefully under qualified for a club like ours.

Why is it so important to get a manager who's won something? Look at Mourinho. He's the best manager in the world, they say. But he has won all his trophies at big clubs. I'm not disputing the fact that he is indeed a great manager, and winning the CL with Porto was a magnificent achievement, but how would he have coped at a club like Southampton?

All managers, no matter how good they are, are restricted by the quality they have at hand. Just look at Brendan Rodgers. Everybody sees that he's one of the best, but we didn't see that until he came to Liverpool. However, we saw obvious signs of it, because he had Swansea overachieving, playing brilliant football. That's exactly what Pochettino's doing at Southampton now.

What other top 6 club would go for Poch, you ask. Well, I think all of them are very happy with their current managers. But if that were to change, I can easily see Liverpool and Everton going for him, and maybe even Arsenal if Wenger decides it's time to hang up the bubble coat.

I understand that Pochettino may not be everybody's first choice. But I can't for the life of me understand why people choose to see him as a bad coach.

 

[Flashspur]

That is madness. How can you say he has learnt from these mistakes?? There is no evidence for that at all. AVB was the same so they said, he's learnt from his time at Chelsea, blah, blah. That worked well didn't it.

Fact is Pochettino shouldn't even be on the back up list to the back up list.

Ask yourself this, what other top 6 club would go for Poch?? NONE OF THEM

Now why do you think that is?? Overwhelmingly other fans don't want us to get Benitez, because they know he is the best candidate. I accept though, this doesn't look likely but we need somebody who can command instant respect of fans and players. Benitez can, De boer can ....... Pochettino frankly cannot.

Woefully under qualified for a club like ours.

your having a laugh surely

 

[shelfboy68]

I sense a 'Pochettino out' thread coming on and he hasn't even been appointed yet!

Agree its a tad unfortunate for someone that hasnt officially got the gig yet there is a bit of negativity around him and Im saying this as someone that doesnt want him.
But I certainly dont want to See a manager of Our club given too hard a time as their is enough shit at the club to deal with without anymore.

 

[Metalhead]

Agree its a tad unfortunate for someone that hasnt officially got the gig yet there is a bit of negativity around him and Im saying this as someone that doesnt want him.
But I certainly dont want to See a manager of Our club given too hard a time as their is enough shit at the club to deal with without anymore.

For sure.

 

[diamond lights]

That is madness. How can you say he has learnt from these mistakes?? There is no evidence for that at all. AVB was the same so they said, he's learnt from his time at Chelsea, blah, blah. That worked well didn't it.

Fact is Pochettino shouldn't even be on the back up list to the back up list.

Ask yourself this, what other top 6 club would go for Poch?? NONE OF THEM

Now why do you think that is?? Overwhelmingly other fans don't want us to get Benitez, because they know he is the best candidate. I accept though, this doesn't look likely but we need somebody who can command instant respect of fans and players. Benitez can, De boer can ....... Pochettino frankly cannot.

Woefully under qualified for a club like ours.

Maybe not the same opinion as your own but not madness. The evidence that I look at suggests he's a smart guy. Fell out with some people at Espanyol but has handled some difficult politics at Southampton very well. Everyone speaks highly of him and he's aware enough to use an interpreter with the media to give him some thinking time. Shows to me he's pretty astute given he can speak reasonably good English.
Fans, players and anyone associated with his club love him.
AVB didn't manage anyone between Chelsea and us so I don't see where anyone saw any evidence of lessons learned.
Pochittino's background, work ethic, style of football and astute people management and player development make him ideally qualified for a club like us with our financial resources.

 

[chinaman]

FDB or Poch, much of a muchness.......strengths and weaknesses for both. From a style perspective I prefer Poch. I think both will be huge managers in the future. Not going to be fussed with either.

The only thing Dim left us is this quotable quote "much of a muchness".

 

[Glennsen]

Fell out with some people at Espanyol .

He got sacked because of result. Bottom of the league, and a loss at home 0-2 against Getafe. He allso had bad results at the end 2011/2012. If Espanyol had keept him they would surely not been in la liga.
In his last 23 matches he had 3 win, 6 draw and 14 loss. The new coach at Espanyol has in 23 matches had 9 wins, 7 draws 7 loss. I think it strange that some believe one and a half decent year at Soton is enough to forget how rubbish he was at Espanyol for a long time.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

He got sacked because of result. Bottom of the league, and a loss at home 0-2 against Getafe. He allso had bad results at the end 2011/2012. If Espanyol had keept him they would surely not been in la liga.
In his last 23 matches he had 3 win, 6 draw and 14 loss. The new coach at Espanyol has in 23 matches had 9 wins, 7 draws 7 loss. I think it strange that some believe one and a half decent year at Soton is enough to forget how rubbish he was at Espanyol for a long time.

He was at Espanyol (not even Southampton) for nearly 4 YEARS and you talk about his last 23 matches for Espanyol as evidence that he is SHIT?!?!??!

JUST WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?????

I'm sorry, I can't deal with this. My brain wants to explode.

 

[Khilari]

He was at Espanyol for nearly 4 YEARS and you talk about his last 23 matches for Espanyol as evidence that he is SHIT?!?!??!

JUST WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?????

I'm sorry, I can't deal with this. My brain wants to explode.

You make a valid point - but he'd have got the sack at Spurs irrespective of what he achieves in 4 years if we're bottom of the league after 23 games with only 3 wins.

 

[Tom Pops]

You make a valid point - but he'd have got the sack at Spurs irrespective of what he achieves in 4 years if we're bottom of the league after 23 games with only 3 wins.

Well... yeah of course he would get sacked, we're a top 6/7 club.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

You make a valid point - but he'd have got the sack at Spurs irrespective of what he achieves in 4 years if we're bottom of the league after 23 games with only 3 wins.

Let's not get silly here...

 

[Glennsen]

He was at Espanyol (not even Southampton) for nearly 4 YEARS and you talk about his last 23 matches for Espanyol as evidence that he is SHIT?!?!??!

JUST WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?????

I'm sorry, I can't deal with this. My brain wants to explode.

Sorry for that. But I think it was worth mention since someone seems to think he got sacked for other reasons than result. His results the last ten months at Espanyol were ugly for him and I find them alarming like other thinks how his managed Soton is genius. Both sides of the story.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Sorry for that. But I think it was worth mention since someone seems to think he got sacked for other reasons than result. His results the last ten months at Espanyol were ugly for him and I find them alarming like other thinks how his managed Soton is genius. Both sides of the story.

Yes, his results at Espanyol weren't that good towards the end but he had done well before and had a lot of shit to deal with. And, IMO, what he has done at Southampton isn't "genius" as all clubs should play like that but the scale in which he's turned Southampton into an 8th placed team playing so well is remarkable.

 

[beats1]

Yes, his results at Espanyol weren't that good towards the end but he had done well before and had a lot of shit to deal with. And, IMO, what he has done at Southampton isn't "genius" as all clubs should play like that but the scale in which he's turned Southampton into an 8th placed team playing so well is remarkable.

Thats a understatement, his results were shit and should of finished higher in the seasons before with the players he had but he didnt have to deal with any more shit that other managers in La Liga had to deal with. The bottom 17 are broke.

Pepe Mel took a club who had been promoted with a shitter squad to Europa, Paco Jemez who is more highly rated in spain and was one of the guys in for the barca job he took a shitter rayo squad to Europa spot before the FFP wouldnt let them in as the club was in a mess.

Don't get it twisted Pochettino is not being considered for his exploits in La liga but for his work in the last 18 months.

 

[Veuve Clicquot]

Yes, his results at Espanyol weren't that good towards the end but he had done well before and had a lot of shit to deal with. And, IMO, what he has done at Southampton isn't "genius" as all clubs should play like that but the scale in which he's turned Southampton into an 8th placed team playing so well is remarkable.

Ok, if you think it was remarkable that saints finished 8th after spending money on osvaldo 15m,waynama 12m,lovren 10m,ramirez 12m, fair enough.

Did you also think we should have hired steve clarke after finishing 8th with wba last season ?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Thats a understatement, his results were fucking shit and should of finished higher in the seasons before with the players he had but he didnt have to deal with any more shit that other managers in La Liga had to deal with. The bottom 17 are broke.

Pepe Mel took a club who had been promoted with a shitter squad to Europa, Paco Jemez who is more highly rated in spain and was one of the guys in for the barca job he took a shitter rayo squad to Europa spot before the FFP wouldnt let them in as the club was in a mess.

Don't get it twisted Pochettino is not being considered for his exploits in La liga but for his work in the last 18 months.

That's kind of the point I was originally trying to make