The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[millsey]

Do we assume from the Vertonghen quotes this morning that he knows FDB isn't getting the job?

(De Boer): "He's a good manager but there's other good managers. The chairman will make the decision."

Shows he's not in love with fdb like people think he is too

 

[GetSpurredOn]

I took it more that he wouldn't like to over commit. If he states FDB is the best coach ever, then Pochettino gets the job.... Awkward...

 

[barry]

Poch's record at Espanyol makes for an interesting read. He had more money than other mid table teams, had clashes with the board and spent more than the others. Almost every mid table and bottom placed La liga team faces those issues as @beats1 has said above. He yet complained of not having enough money and left the club languishing in the bottom places but the next man got them a respectable mid table position.

Coming to his Southampton reign his net spend so far is 45 million and last season they had the 3rd highest in the league.
This season he will most likely lose Shaw, Llana, etc. or at least one of his top players. He's obviously upset with this and has threatened in the past to leave if his best players are sold ( similar to Espanyol). We keep selling our best players and our net spend has been negative during the last couple of seasons. What if he threatens to leave us too when we sell our top players ? (which will happen). It seems he doesn't have the confidence to continue once his best players are sold. If he does join us then I'm not sure he will stick around long considering how we deal with transfers.

FDB took over mid season when Ajax were 4th, Jol was sacked, the entire board had just resigned and Cryuff had taken the club to court. He finished the season as league winners and in subsequent years has lost Van der weil, Verts, Eriksen, Alderweild, etc. but never complained. He's made a net profit of 70 million so far and even rejected Pool last year. His record in the CL isn't that great but one has to consider the teams he's played AC Milan (x3), Barcelona (x2), Real Madrid (x4), Dortmund (x2), Man City (x2), Lyon (x2)

Both have faced situations similar to ours and their responses have been totally different. Its difficult to say who's better but at the moment FDB is the best fit. Just my opinion.

What about his Europa league record, considering he's in a league that is so piss easy he can give away his best players and still win it, you would of thought he'd have a decent record.

Poch plays an entertaining brand of football which we know translates to the PL, can the same be said for FdB. If we were annexed by the Netherlands, become New Rotterdam hotspurs, and wanted no success in Europe you know who I'd want.

Anyway I'm still undecided but I have to admit I'm going more towards Poch.

 

[Mr Pink]

Shows he's not in love with fdb like people think he is too

Absolutely.

It was being totally overblown anyway, predictably.

 

[parklane1]

For me FDB is a winner, trophies speak for themselves, simple as that. There's no substitute for a winning mentality, something we haven't had at Spurs for a very long time. As much as I like Pochettino, nothing about him, or his record, tells me that he's a winner. We can't afford to take another punt on another 'maybe' manager.

That is why he is my first choice.

 

[allatsea]

For me FDB is a winner, trophies speak for themselves, simple as that. There's no substitute for a winning mentality, something we haven't had at Spurs for a very long time. As much as I like Pochettino, nothing about him, or his record, tells me that he's a winner. We can't afford to take another punt on another 'maybe' manager.

Didn't that apply to AVB as well ? After all he has won bigger, more important, trophies that FdB.

 

[Spurger King]

Why the hell can't people appreciate context more, really baffles me that.

Like considering the completely different contexts of managing a team of mostly Championship-level players that will respond to a new manager because they're just happy to be in the Prem....or managing a team full of players with aspirations of Champions League football, and have experience of working at some of Europe's top clubs? Appreciating contexts like that?

You're right, it is baffling.

 

[beats1]

Shows he's not in love with fdb like people think he is too

Seriously

To me just sounds like he knows FDB wont be manager and doesnt want to get off to a bad start with the new manager. He isn't going to say FDB is the best and the rest are all shit.

Its why I don't take quotes of managers seriously like the one people having been using about Poch from pep as he has said the same thing about Pepe Mel, Jemez and etc.

 

[Amo]

But the guy actually wants to fucking come

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

But the guy actually wants to fucking come

when fans own the club we can make sensible footballing decisions

 

[Mr Pink]

Like considering the completely different contexts of managing a team of mostly Championship-level players that will respond to a new manager because they're just happy to be in the Prem....or managing a team full of players with aspirations of Champions League football, and have experience of working at some of Europe's top clubs? Appreciating contexts like that?

You're right, it is baffling.

So he's got a team filled with Championship players finishing eight because there just pleased to be in the Prem?

Right, ok. I guess that's why every promoted team comes up and finishes as high as that.

And of course, they're were nailed on for eight under Adkins.

Do me a favour.

 

[Spurger King]

So he's got a team filled with Championship players finishing eight because there just pleased to be in the Prem?

Right, ok. I guess that's why every promoted team comes up and finishes as high as that.

And of course, they're were nailed on for eight under Adkins.

Do me a favour.

Woooooossssshhhhh...

 

[spurs9]

What about his Europa league record, considering he's in a league that is so piss easy he can give away his best players and still win it, you would of thought he'd have a decent record.

Poch plays an entertaining brand of football which we know translates to the PL, can the same be said for FdB. If we were annexed by the Netherlands, become New Rotterdam hotspurs, and wanted no success in Europe you know who I'd want.

Anyway I'm still undecided but I have to admit I'm going more towards Poch.

Check out Poch's cup record. His team were knocked out (over 2 legs) from a 3rd division Spanish team.

 

[Amo]

Woooooossssshhhhh...

..aaaahhhhh

 

[only1waddle]

Check out Poch's cup record. His team were knocked out (over 2 legs) from a 3rd division Spanish team.

Arsenal lost to League 2 side Bradford, is Wenger shit?

 

[beats1]

What about his Europa league record, considering he's in a league that is so piss easy he can give away his best players and still win it, you would of thought he'd have a decent record.

Poch plays an entertaining brand of football which we know translates to the PL, can the same be said for FdB. If we were annexed by the Netherlands, become New Rotterdam hotspurs, and wanted no success in Europe you know who I'd want.

Anyway I'm still undecided but I have to admit I'm going more towards Poch.

FDB played entertaining football for ajax, some fans this season have said that the football hasn't been great against the smaller teams but they also say that the team is the worst it has been for a very long time(10 years plus).

Also I hear people say FDB plays a boring style of football like Pep(not true) yet people say Poch is entertaining and then post how pep mentions they play his kind of way

 

[spurs9]

Ajax ended up on 73 points, Twente on 71, that means that season ajax declined by 12 points, but Twente by 16. Both lost their manager, but Twente's loss of McClaren at the start of the season was greater, whereas Suarez going to Liverpool mid-season was also massive for Ajax.

The point being it's nonsense to point to a single club and say that they were in decline therefore the magnitude of the achievement is thus, you have to put it in the context of all the top rivals, and if their decline is greater then clearly the magnitude is hugely reduced. So far many of the arguments of those most keen on FdB seem to rely on his achievements looked at in isolation, rather than in the wider context.

Ajax ended up with more points than Twente BECAUSE of FDB that is the part you ignored. At the time FDB took over, Ajax had declined more than Twente. I do look at the wider context, you just chose to pick and choose wh

Arsenal lost to League 2 side Bradford, is Wenger shit?

I have never once said Poch is shit. Infact, I would be happy with Poch as manager. What I was pointing out was that Poch has a poor cup record. Many Poch fans criticize FDB's record in the cups when Poch's is worse.

 

[only1waddle]

I have never once said Poch is shit. Infact, I would be happy with Poch as manager. What I was pointing out was that Poch has a poor cup record. Many Poch fans criticize FDB's record in the cups when Poch's is worse.[/quote]


Fair enough, we never know the circumstances of cup defeats, i find the whole cup argument rather silly from both sides.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ttino-new-manager-ruling-Roberto-Mancini.html

 

[THFC 1882]

Jan said today that he was so happy to stay on at our lovely club
is that because he knows Frank is coming or just because Sherwood are gone