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Gb160

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This classless behaviour shouldn't really surprise anyone coming from that lot.
I once got called a posh **** by an Australian because I said I would get out the bath to take a piss.
Most of them probably wouldn't get out of the bath to take a shit.
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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That is not what happened. De grandhomme was runout while looking at the on-field umpire following an LBW shout. He wasn't looking for a run.

In defense of England, that wouldn’t happen now that Stokes is captain and Mccullum is coach instead of the captain and coach back then who were *checks notes*, stokes and mccullum.
 

funkycoldmedina

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In defense of England, that wouldn’t happen now that Stokes is captain and Mccullum is coach instead of the captain and coach back then who were *checks notes*, stokes and mccullum.
So he batted outside his crease and never regained his ground?

If it's that then you'll know if you've ever played cricket the 2 things aren't the same. If you decide to bat outside your crease you have to remember to always touch your bat back if it goes through to the keeper. You're trying to gain an advantage by batting outside so it's incumbent on you to get it right.

Why can't any Aussie just admit it's just c*"@ move and they either love to see it or hate it. Why justify with whataboutery
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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So he batted outside his crease and never regained his ground?

If it's that then you'll know if you've ever played cricket the 2 things aren't the same. If you decide to bat outside your crease you have to remember to always touch your bat back if it goes through to the keeper. You're trying to gain an advantage by batting outside so it's incumbent on you to get it right.

Why can't any Aussie just admit it's just c*"@ move and they either love to see it or hate it. Why justify with whataboutery
I’m not Australian.

I did say it was a dick move.

but I’m not Australian so it doesn’t matter.
 

dimiSpur

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In defense of England, that wouldn’t happen now that Stokes is captain and Mccullum is coach instead of the captain and coach back then who were *checks notes*, stokes and mccullum.
A character destruction of McCullum (who you clearly don't like), is completely irrelevant to this discussion though. What is right does not depend on who the coach on the receiving end is, no? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the actual stumping as opposed to your dislike of Brendon and co.
 

ralphs bald spot

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So he batted outside his crease and never regained his ground?

If it's that then you'll know if you've ever played cricket the 2 things aren't the same. If you decide to bat outside your crease you have to remember to always touch your bat back if it goes through to the keeper. You're trying to gain an advantage by batting outside so it's incumbent on you to get it right.

Why can't any Aussie just admit it's just c*"@ move and they either love to see it or hate it. Why justify with whataboutery
because it wasn't it was unprofessional by Bairstow
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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And I'm not saying nuthin!
I just get disliked.
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Well I’m also disappointed in you.

You’ll never get a better time to argue back with the English, stating that this is just further proof of the English “Elitism” and “Racism” that is rife in the English game as said by the ICEC and has cursed their game, they’ll just find anything to look down upon Australia.

*now who’s going to get the dislikes 😂
 

Trix

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"We pride ourselves on our honesty. So it’s been disappointing to see that our integrity has been questioned by some journalists and past players in recent days in regard to the Cape Town Test of 2018.


We have already answered questions many times on this issue, but we feel compelled to put the key facts on the record again:

  • We did not know a foreign substance was taken onto the field to alter the condition of the ball until we saw the images on the big screen at Newlands
  • And to those who, despite the absence of evidence, insist that ‘we must have known’ about the use of a foreign substance simply because we are bowlers, we say this: The umpires during that Test match, Nigel Llong and Richard Illingworth, both very respected and experienced umpires, inspected the ball after the images surfaced on the TV coverage and did not change it because there was no sign of damage.
during day five of the Third Test match during the 2017/18 Ashes Series between Australia and England at WACA on December 18, 2017 in Perth, Australia. Credit: Ryan Pierse/Getty Images
None of this excuses what happened on the field that day at Newlands. It was wrong and it should never have happened.

We’ve all learned valuable lessons and we’d like to think the public can see a change for the better in terms of the way we play, the way we behave and respect the game. Our commitment to improving as people and players will continue.

We respectfully request an end to the rumour-mongering and innuendo.

It has gone on too long and it is time to move on.

Regards,

Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Mitch Starc, Nathan Lyon
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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A character destruction of McCullum (who you clearly don't like), is completely irrelevant to this discussion though. What is right does not depend on who the coach on the receiving end is, no? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the actual stumping as opposed to your dislike of Brendon and co.
Fucks sake, I’ve already repeatedly said that I thought it was a shit thing to do.

I don’t agree with it, regardless of the correctness of the law.

I figured if I was playing a game of cricket at lunch at school and someone got someone out by being so technical of the rule book I’d give them so much shit over it they’d want to fight me.
 

midoshairband

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"We pride ourselves on our honesty. So it’s been disappointing to see that our integrity has been questioned by some journalists and past players in recent days in regard to the Cape Town Test of 2018.


We have already answered questions many times on this issue, but we feel compelled to put the key facts on the record again:

  • We did not know a foreign substance was taken onto the field to alter the condition of the ball until we saw the images on the big screen at Newlands
  • And to those who, despite the absence of evidence, insist that ‘we must have known’ about the use of a foreign substance simply because we are bowlers, we say this: The umpires during that Test match, Nigel Llong and Richard Illingworth, both very respected and experienced umpires, inspected the ball after the images surfaced on the TV coverage and did not change it because there was no sign of damage.
during day five of the Third Test match during the 2017/18 Ashes Series between Australia and England at WACA on December 18, 2017 in Perth, Australia. Credit: Ryan Pierse/Getty Images
None of this excuses what happened on the field that day at Newlands. It was wrong and it should never have happened.

We’ve all learned valuable lessons and we’d like to think the public can see a change for the better in terms of the way we play, the way we behave and respect the game. Our commitment to improving as people and players will continue.

We respectfully request an end to the rumour-mongering and innuendo.

It has gone on too long and it is time to move on.

Regards,

Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Mitch Starc, Nathan Lyon

I'm beginning to think that Cummins is just weak and a bit thick, rather than an all out wanker.

actually no, he's both.
 

jimbo

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Well, it was certainly an interesting last day.

For me, the fact that it was the last ball of the over and that the umpire was wandering off to take up position, looking at the bowler's cap, not paying attention - eg, the over is over - is what makes it sharp practice. The fact that it is out hinges on the umpire not having said 'over', but they had to get the TMO to review it because they weren't paying attention on-field. Given that set of circumstances I think the right thing to do would have been for Cummins to call Bairstow back. That was never going to happen though.

Had this whole incident happened a ball earlier it wouldn't be a thing, just a legitimate stumping and YJB being dozy. As it was, he was dozy, the umpires (who haven't been great throughout the test) were dozy, and the Australians were sharp.

It's ultimately won them the game, and possibly the series, so you could see that as either justifying or enraging depending on the accident of your birth. That Jim Maxwell wasn't keen on it is enough for me to think that it was the wrong call by Cummins, but it's tough to expect him to consider the full scope of the situation in the heat of the moment when trying to win. So, I think Bairstow, Cummins and the umpires all come out of it looking bad for various different reasons. It will be interesting to see if it has any impact on the rest of the series which has been highly compelling so far.

Bairstow might have hit another 43 runs, but equally giving up 70+ extras had a big impact too - and that will go under the radar due to the drama. England (and Wales) need to bowl better if they're going to turn the series around and try to take it to a decider - an outcome that would be great for cricket (if not ideal for the Australians).
 

jimbo

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MS Dhoni had exactly that choice to make and he made it and won the Spirit of Cricket award.
The one big difference with Dhoni is that he had the whole lunch break (or it might have been tea, I can't quite remember) to consider the decision - time to think when the heat of the moment has cooled.
 

aussiespursguy

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Well, it was certainly an interesting last day.

For me, the fact that it was the last ball of the over and that the umpire was wandering off to take up position, looking at the bowler's cap, not paying attention - eg, the over is over - is what makes it sharp practice. The fact that it is out hinges on the umpire not having said 'over', but they had to get the TMO to review it because they weren't paying attention on-field. Given that set of circumstances I think the right thing to do would have been for Cummins to call Bairstow back. That was never going to happen though.

Had this whole incident happened a ball earlier it wouldn't be a thing, just a legitimate stumping and YJB being dozy. As it was, he was dozy, the umpires (who haven't been great throughout the test) were dozy, and the Australians were sharp.

It's ultimately won them the game, and possibly the series, so you could see that as either justifying or enraging depending on the accident of your birth. That Jim Maxwell wasn't keen on it is enough for me to think that it was the wrong call by Cummins, but it's tough to expect him to consider the full scope of the situation in the heat of the moment when trying to win. So, I think Bairstow, Cummins and the umpires all come out of it looking bad for various different reasons. It will be interesting to see if it has any impact on the rest of the series which has been highly compelling so far.

Bairstow might have hit another 43 runs, but equally giving up 70+ extras had a big impact too - and that will go under the radar due to the drama. England (and Wales) need to bowl better if they're going to turn the series around and try to take it to a decider - an outcome that would be great for cricket (if not ideal for the Australians).
Very well said without crazy emotions.
Good stuff.
 

Trix

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The one big difference with Dhoni is that he had the whole lunch break (or it might have been tea, I can't quite remember) to consider the decision - time to think when the heat of the moment has cooled.
The thing is what Dhoni did might have been done after consideration, but it set a precedent imo. 'This is what you should do in the interest of fair play'. What Dhoni did just makes what happened yesterday look far worse imo.

This current Aussie side may well have a lot of great cricketers in it, and they may well have the best side in world right now, but their ability is not what I'll remember this current Aussie side for. They will forever, in my mind at least, be the Lance Armstrong of test cricket.
 

jimbo

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Very well said without crazy emotions.
Good stuff.
Thank you, I don't see why we can't sit down and have a beer once the series is over - and if the first two tests are anything to go by we've got another three tight and hard-fought contests to enjoy.

Until then, it's back to bowling bouncers at your helmet (the one on your head).
 

aussiespursguy

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The thing is what Dhoni did might have been done after consideration, but it set a precedent imo. 'This is what you should do in the interest of fair play'. What Dhoni did just makes what happened yesterday look far worse imo.

This current Aussie side may well have a lot of great cricketers in it, and they may well have the best side in world right now, but their ability is not what I'll remember this current Aussie side for. They will forever, in my mind at least, be the Lance Armstrong of test cricket.
Seriously mate, a little OTT.
Systemic drug abuse over the years designed to fool the investigators versus a quick flick at the stumps.
Really?
 
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