The Cricket Thread

[dimiSpur]

The Aussies or anyone else, bringing up old irrelevant and incomparable run outs is probably proof that what they did was wrong. Like someone pointed out in a previous page, if England bring out sandpaper at Headingley, would it be an excuse to say well the Aussies did it in 2018? Of course not. There's a difference, of course, when the matter is outside or inside the official rules of the game.

But the bottom line is, not only in cricket or sport generally, you don't have to break the law to be a ****.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

I forgot about this, I suppose this was easier for Dhoni as this incident (Bell being run out: no one knowing whether the ball went for 4), happened just before the break back in 2011 (Eng vs Ind, 2nd test, day 3 at Trent Bridge). An irate crowd very similar (perhaps even less so) than Lords.

The amount of respect Cummings would’ve got as well and it would’ve been even better for the game instead of the fall out we’ve had over the past few days.

 

[Dunc2610]

The fact they did this and were unapologetic about it says to me they thought they were going to lose with Bairstow in and a long tail to come.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I forgot about this, I suppose this was easier for Dhoni as this incident (Bell being run out: no one knowing whether the ball went for 4), happened just before the break back in 2011 (Eng vs Ind, 2nd test, day 3 at Trent Bridge). An irate crowd very similar (perhaps even less so) than Lords.

The amount of respect Cummings would’ve got as well and it would’ve been even better for the game instead of the fall out we’ve had over the past few days.

I mentioned this a couple of pages ago or so. Dhoni, quite rightly, won the spirit of cricket award for that year and later the spirit of cricket award for the decade. His playing careers/stats aside, he's also remembered for that. Cummings? It won't be his playing career that's remembered. I still can't get over his beaming smugness in the press conference, the toerag.

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

I mentioned this a couple of pages ago or so. Dhoni, quite rightly, won the spirit of cricket award for that year and later the spirit of cricket award for the decade. His playing careers/stats aside, he's also remembered for that. Cummings? It won't be his playing career that's remembered. I still can't get over his beaming smugness in the press conference, the toerag.

I know I'm coming across as a one eyed Pom but it reminded me of the initial smugness of Warner and Smith in the press conference in 2018.

Another thing that I've been wondering, is that people keep bringing up Broad not walking. personally, I think any player that nicks it and is caught behind should walk, but it simply isn't the case of this happening anymore. Even in this test it annoyed me that Crawley didn't walk immediately when he toe ended it to the keeper, but waited to be given out. But that is how the game is and has been played for a long while, so at the time I think Broad should've walked, but no more than every other occasion that happens in every match of cricket. So why is Broad such a special case? Genuine question.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

I mentioned this a couple of pages ago or so. Dhoni, quite rightly, won the spirit of cricket award for that year and later the spirit of cricket award for the decade. His playing careers/stats aside, he's also remembered for that. Cummings? It won't be his playing career that's remembered. I still can't get over his beaming smugness in the press conference, the toerag.

Apologies mate should’ve looked at your post there. The more you look back at it the uglier it is as no matter what team you back in cricket: it’s just not a good look particularly in a team sport which has that uniqueness of the spirit of the game.

For me, Bairstow was a dope, however, it’s just sneaky and unsporting. There’s the for and against arguments like ‘he started it’ and people saying pot kettle black etc, but for me, it’s not a good look.

This is coming from someone who backs Ireland in cricket. The game helped me in my youth during the summer months to stay out of trouble and I struck so many bonds with a diverse range of people in Victoria Park, East London during the 2000s (simpler times). I know it was at such a lower standard of cricket but that would not happen as most would know (pardon my language) that would be f***ries.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

So why is Broad such a special case? Genuine question.

Because the 'spirit of cricket' is what the Australian team says it is

 

[Nine while nine]

I mentioned this a couple of pages ago or so. Dhoni, quite rightly, won the spirit of cricket award for that year and later the spirit of cricket award for the decade. His playing careers/stats aside, he's also remembered for that. Cummings? It won't be his playing career that's remembered. I still can't get over his beaming smugness in the press conference, the toerag.

This.

And I really don't get why cricketers can't see this.

Someone should tell Cummins that


Douglas Jardine is in the top ten English batsmen (in terms of average over 30-plus innings)

Vinoo Mankad is one of only three 'away' non-England cricketers on the Lords honours board for both batting and bowling

Greg Chappell is the second-best ODI all-rounder that ever there was (after Kapil Dev, according to the ICC rankings)


Yet none of them are remembered for that (assuming you're under 45 in Chappell's case)

The same will be true for Cummins and Carey (and, of course, Smith and Warner).


Now there may be those who say we'll forget this in time and that all we'll remember is the good stuff. Yet all it took was this one instance of dodgy sportsmanship and, before you knew it, the whataboutery clips of Broad and McCullum were flying across the internet faster than a bouncer by Courtney Walsh (one of the good guys btw). This will stay for these Australians forever.

 

[Dunc2610]

This.

And I really don't get why cricketers can't see this.

Someone should tell Cummins that


Douglas Jardine is in the top ten English batsmen (in terms of average over 30-plus innings)

Vinoo Mankad is one of only three 'away' non-England cricketers on the Lords honours board for both batting and bowling

Greg Chappell is the second-best ODI all-rounder that ever there was (after Kapil Dev, according to the ICC rankings)


Yet none of them are remembered for that (assuming you're under 45 in Chappell's case)

The same will be true for Cummins and Carey (and, of course, Smith and Warner).


Now there may be those who say we'll forget this in time and that all we'll remember is the good stuff. Yet all it took was this one instance of dodgy sportsmanship and, before you knew it, the whataboutery clips of Broad and McCullum were flying across the internet faster than a bouncer by Courtney Walsh (one of the good guys btw). This will stay for these Australians forever.

I think the fact this has happened so soon after the sand paper incident where Bancroft was thrown under the bus and arguably the ring leader, Warner, got away with it to a degree, just makes it all worse and the lack of remorse much harder to take.

 

[jimbo]

One thing I've never seen mentioned, did the Bairstow wicket cost the test match ? Would he have got out the next ball anyway or would he have stayed there and helped Stokes make the extra 45 runs ?

45 runs is a decent amount and no guarantee the poms would have made the runs if that incident didn't happen, so I guess we'll never know.

It's unknowable of course, but for me I can see Bairstow adding 43 runs but I think without that dismissal Stokes probably doesn't go off like he did and hit 155 - so potentially the margin of victory for Australia would have been bigger without the contentious stumping.

That both tests so far have been close also raises the familiar question of whether England have picked the best team, fine margins like Foakes with the gloves, or Anderson still being an effective strike bowler, could easily have England 2-0 up in the series instead of 2-0 down. To my mind, the approach England have taken is justified - I think we'd have been pummelled (or 'Pommelled') trying to play in the old ways - I'm just not sure our selections have been as good. Difficult as it is to drop players when you're trying to erradicate fear of failure from a collective consciousness - England need to square that circle.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Schoolboy error from Bairstow - one of the first things you ever learn in Cricket

Lazy and careless - Obviously it’s not the ideal way of taking a wicket but it’s clearly out

Cannot see what all the fuss is about. The whole sorry saga brought on by the batsman not taking enough care

No comparison with a mankad or other such nonsenses

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Schoolboy error from Bairstow - one of the first things you ever learn in Cricket

Lazy and careless - Obviously it’s not the ideal way of taking a wicket but it’s clearly out

Cannot see what all the fuss is about. The whole sorry saga brought on by the batsman not taking enough care

No comparison with a mankad or other such nonsenses

So that's just the vast majority in here, the thousands filling the ground and almost everyone else in the cricketing world (except you know where) that's seeing this incorrectly

 

[Dunc2610]

Schoolboy error from Bairstow - one of the first things you ever learn in Cricket

Lazy and careless - Obviously it’s not the ideal way of taking a wicket but it’s clearly out

Cannot see what all the fuss is about. The whole sorry saga brought on by the batsman not taking enough care

No comparison with a mankad or other such nonsenses

I don't think ANYONE is defending YJB, its dozy and thoughtless. Everyone is up in arms as its "just not cricket", because as has been said, cricket is a sport built around being a 'gentlemanly' game that's played fairly with integrity and class.

 

[dvdhopeful]

Schoolboy error from Bairstow - one of the first things you ever learn in Cricket

Lazy and careless - Obviously it’s not the ideal way of taking a wicket but it’s clearly out

Cannot see what all the fuss is about. The whole sorry saga brought on by the batsman not taking enough care

No comparison with a mankad or other such nonsenses

Ok sure.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

My take is exactly the same as Mark Butchers. Pretty much word for word

Can’t link the footage - Wisden Cricket podcast….

I 100% agree with him

 

[jazz15c]

My take is exactly the same as Mark Butchers. Pretty much word for word

Can’t link the footage - Wisden Cricket podcast….

I 100% agree with him

- The Butcher interview you refer to.

 

[jazz15c]

I reckon the England set-up are chuffed to bits that the fans are sitting around playing moral gymnastics rather than focus on the inadequaces of their team selection...classic deflection, and we're lapping it up.

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

Pope out for the series… the opportunity to bring Foakes in and push Bairstow up the order without ruffling any feathers?

 

[PCozzie]

Pope out for the series… the opportunity to bring Foakes in and push Bairstow up the order without ruffling any feathers?

Consensus seems to be that Dan Lawrence will bat at 3, no Foakes.

 

[Impspur1]

reckon sunak should declare war and throw them out the commonwealth.

Pope out for the series… the opportunity to bring Foakes in and push Bairstow up the order without ruffling any feathers?

Lawrence will go in at three I would think