The Cricket Thread

[Archibald&Crooks]

I appreciate they have to decide somehow, but surely having wickets in hand Vs being all out is a much better decider than the number of boundaries? It would make far more sense for NZ to have "won by 2 wickets" to be honest. I would accept if broth teams had the same number of runs AND the same number of wickets that you need to go to a super over, but as NZ still had wickets in hand it seems to me to be very harsh that that counts for nothing

IIRC they were of the opinion that the method used rewarded or better encouraged attacking cricket. I think having a super over in the event of a tied score is fair enough, it's when the super over is a tie that they have problems and lets be honest, who how many games of cricket have gone that far. I doubt they even thought it would ever happen

Personally, I think much like penalty shootouts there's never going to be a perfect solution, they happen to have plumped for this one, choose another one and its someone else getting the itch. Whichever way they landed they'd have been criticised by someone.

Luckily, for our entertainment, in this case its you

 

[UncleBuck]

Is it wrong to have the highlights on again this morning....?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

From the BBC

Jimmy Neesham tweeted the expected "that hurts" and "sorry we couldn't deliver" tweets after New Zealand's loss.
His third tweet, however, was comedy gold.
https://twitter.com/JimmyNeesh/status/1150562893777244160

Kids, don’t take up sport. Take up baking or something. Die at 60 really fat and happy.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

IIRC they were of the opinion that the method used rewarded or better encouraged attacking cricket. I think having a super over in the event of a tied score is fair enough, it's when the super over is a tie that they have problems and lets be honest, who how many games of cricket have gone that far. I doubt they even thought it would ever happen

Personally, I think much like penalty shootouts there's never going to be a perfect solution, they happen to have plumped for this one, choose another one and its someone else getting the itch. Whichever way they landed they'd have been criticised by someone.

Luckily, for our entertainment, in this case its you

I agree with a lot of this but think it's harsh to go back to something that wasn't important at the time.

I think there should be another super over or if that's too much then bowl at the stumps or something. Always going to be unsatisfactory but at least, like penalties, it is a measure of bottle in high pressure.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

I agree with a lot of this but think it's harsh to go back to something that wasn't important at the time.

I think there should be another super over or if that's too much then bowl at the stumps or something. Always going to be unsatisfactory but at least, like penalties, it is a measure of bottle in high pressure.

It was a measure of bottle though, they needed two runs, we needed one or less. It’s not like either team didn’t know what they needed.

 

[dondo]

TBH too much out of too little. The Aussies were more upset than the rest of the world put together, I like/admire our enemy. One fucking stupid decision isnt gonna change that for me.

It was more than one stupid decision. For me the Aussies cricket team and the press have been on a slippery slope of shithouse behaviour on and of the pitch for a long time

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

It was more than one stupid decision. For me the Aussies cricket team and the press have been on a slippery slope of shithouse behaviour on and of the pitch for a long time

How do you mean bud?I dont really have a cricket circle of friends, if theres been more to it I'll correct myself.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

How do you mean bud?I dont really have a cricket circle of friends, if theres been more to it I'll correct myself.

Here, this will perhaps help a little

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/mar/29/australia-ball-tampering-mickey-arthur-explosion

There were very many incidents over quite a period of time. So when the 'explosion' he refers to arrived, there wasn't much sympathy for them anywhere, even in Australia.

 

[littlewilly]

Lest we forget:
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...me-the-underarm-delivery-20180327-h0y13u.html

 

[dondo]

How do you mean bud?I dont really have a cricket circle of friends, if theres been more to it I'll correct myself.

There have been a number of incidents involving the Aussies over the years.
Before the last ashes smith and Bancroft brought up a non incident about a bairstow headbutt that happened months before and were seen high fiving and congratulating themselves after the press conference.
A fight between Australia and South Africa after a days play in the changing rooms.
Warner telling a Indian player to “speak fucking English”
Clarke caught on the microphone saying to Anderson “watch out your going to get a broken arm” when he was facing Johnson.
That’s off the top off my head I probably could go on a lot more if I google it tbh

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

It was a measure of bottle though, they needed two runs, we needed one or less. It’s not like either team didn’t know what they needed.

Yes I guess this is true.

I actually originally thought the reason we were given the win in the event of a tie was because it's an advantage to chase in the super over so the tie goes to the team batting first.

 

[E17yid]

Great result for England and Wales, especially Wales.

 

[McFlash]

Just about to go onto BBC Sounds to listen to "The final hour".
They've clipped up a TMS highlight show of the last part of the match.
I loved watching the game but do love the Test Match Special guys, so I'm going so my morning fix.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

How well do you know England's world cup winners?

Take this BBC quiz

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48974494

I got 8 out of 11

 

[E17yid]

Corners and shots on goal have been suggested as alternatives to penalties. The idea being that it’s an indication of a more attacking and positive approach to a game. Not saying I agree with it.

Very pleased for the England and Wales cricket fans. Once again (after the England rugby World Cup win), I’m simply not much of a fan of either sport, although I really enjoyed the Ashes in 2005. I have a lot of friends who are massive cricket fans (some of them literally), so despite not being a fan myself I can recognise how this is a great day for English sport (and Wales presumably, or am I wrong?).

In an alternative universe somewhere, England won the football World Cup last year, Spurs won the CL, and England won the cricket World Cup. Just my luck that the one in this universe means very little on a personal level, but it’s still a nice pick me up for a few people.

When They lose they’re English when they win they’re Welsh.

A bit like Murray being Scottish if he loses and British if he wins.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I appreciate they have to decide somehow, but surely having wickets in hand Vs being all out is a much better decider than the number of boundaries? It would make far more sense for NZ to have "won by 2 wickets" to be honest. I would accept if broth teams had the same number of runs AND the same number of wickets that you need to go to a super over, but as NZ still had wickets in hand it seems to me to be very harsh that that counts for nothing

In test matches wickets are the limiting factor, in ODIs it's all about scoring the most runs over the 50 overs. If you lose your wickets you lose the right to bat the full 50 overs, simple as. Both sides batted 50 overs for the same score. I don't think it's fair to use wickets in this scenario. I think Boundaries is a pretty lame tie breaker also, but at the same time England would have won on many of what I would have considered fairer tie breakers:-

- Head to head result in the group phase*
- Final position in group phase*
- Net run rate in the tournament

*I believe Aus beat SA with a combination of these two in a prior WC knockout game.

It feels super harsh on NZ who were fantastic on the day and were great sports (who certainly didn't have lady luck on their side) but a tiebreaker is a tiebreaker, and the rules were known to both teams beforehand. It was a fantastic spectacle and neither side deserved to lose, but there can only be one winner when there is a trophy on the line.

 

[aussiespursguy]

Is it fuck (and I suspect deep down you know it ). You have two players who fucked up and they are going to cop for some banter, it's got nothing to do with envy, it's just how it's always been. Doubly so in Warners case because he is a detestable nerk who deserves it and in Smith's case because he carried on the fine tradition of Australian captains crying during press conferences.

A year ago, you were all Warner is a **** who will never play for Australia again and Smith will be lucky to. Now, boo them and we're bad sports, it's gone from one extreme to the other

Meanwhile, we're still laughing at your misfortune and taking full advantage of the opportunity to take the piss out of it, not sitting here riddled with jealousy.

I did say that and i still feel he shouldn't be there, but that one is not my choice. And to be fair the booing doesn't bother me. To be expected TBH.
Anyhow, enjoy the win, and lets get on with the good stuff.

 

[E17yid]

NZ are going to win the rugby world cup in a couple of months, they didn’t need this as well. Although I do feel a bit sorry for them, tbh.

 

[SteveH]

Edit - Not having a go at you, just an observation my friend.

You just can't help yourselves, can you?
I know its tough being Australian, but come on.

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

There have been a number of incidents involving the Aussies over the years.
Before the last ashes smith and Bancroft brought up a non incident about a bairstow headbutt that happened months before and were seen high fiving and congratulating themselves after the press conference.
A fight between Australia and South Africa after a days play in the changing rooms.
Warner telling a Indian player to “speak fucking English”
Clarke caught on the microphone saying to Anderson “watch out your going to get a broken arm” when he was facing Johnson.
That’s off the top off my head I probably could go on a lot more if I google it tbh

Fair play. Ill do a bit of reasearch.