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Spurslove

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Just seen that Jack Leach was even incapable of doing his duty as night watchman.

There are a lot of people who have done nothing to deserve a call up to the England team but he just about tops the lot.

I don't claim to be any kind of fortune teller, but as soon as Leach walked to the wicket, I thought to myself 'Oh, shit". I could see him getting his stumps blown up behind him almost immediately.

Another new low for us. If the many horrors of this entire Ashes series don't make something drastic happen with our test team, then nothing ever will.

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Spurslove

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I'm not even sure if I can bring myself to watch any more of this. It's like being tied to a chair and watching your family getting beaten up in front of you.
 

Spurs_Bear

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All of the players have tested negative which means we have to play. Shit. Root can’t even do that right.
 

Spurs_Bear

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I must be massively misunderstanding you when you say 'stripped' of the captaincy here but there's been heaps of England captains who've been sacked because of results. John Emburey was given the job, lost his first two test matches and was removed, Graham Gooch went a year without winning a test match and was sacked. Alec Stewart was sacked after a loss in Australia and then a dismal ODI World Cup and you can almost certainly add more to that list. Apologies if I misunderstand though.

Whilst I agree there's an issue as to who would do it and that there's a lack of options, you can't run the team like that and they probably won't. If they sack him, they'll have to find someone, if he quits, they'll have to find someone, either way, at some point, they'll have to find someone. You can't keep a man in a job because 'who else is there'. He's a poor captain and he needs to go it's as simple as that. Worry about who's next when that happens. I also agree he's very unlikely to actually be sacked but a year or more ago I did suggest it's possible he sees this Ashes series as the end of a cycle and might step down of his own accord once it's over and for me, that's where the main hope lies, that he's simply had enough now. And I wouldn't blame him.

Anyway, them's my onions, Root out, Giles out, Silverwood out and TBH the gin swiggers at the ECB can do one too. Bring back Keith Fletcher! At least there's coach who understands test cricket and how to improve a player. But I say that tongue in cheek, he's probably retired now anyway.
You’ve not misunderstood squire, my timings are slightly different though, I’m 37, I don’t remember Emburey as captain, and Gooch although I remember him as a player it would have been early 90s so you’d have to forgive me, the only thing I was doing then was trying to learn to square cut like my hero, Robin Smith. I did caveat my previous point by saying “that I remember”. I looked up the Gooch one, seems a bit blurry lines, most places report that he retired the captaincy to Atherton, although he was probably asked to relinquish and given the respect of not being sacked?

Stewart is a good example and I take your point, I guess the major difference we’re talking about here is that Stewart was what, 35 when he took over? Maybe more of a stopgap, considering they were asking him to open and keep wicket no doubt at the time. Legend of a player. I think the thing with Root going back to the respect thing is that he’s England’s most successful captain in terms of Tests won. I know it, you know it, we all know it, much like Alistair Cook before him, the only way he is moving away from the C is by going of his own accord.

The problem is though, I still say there is literally nobody else, and although we’d have to worry about it when it happened, I’m struggling to think of anyone apart from Stokes who would even be under consideration. And the burden of that on top of his already stretched game, I’m not sure it’s wise.

Agree with all the rest though, Silverwood is no better than Moores, and he was so bad he got two attempts, and Giles appears to have overseen nothing but a calamity since coming into the fold. My own view was that we should have got Dizzy when his name was in the mix a while ago.
 

PCozzie

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So Root needs a further 97 runs to break the record for most runs in a calendar year. Feel quite safe predicting the loss of the test and series, so this is pretty much the only thing of interest for me now. Still pretty unlikely given that even if Root himself manages to stay in, he's likely to be running out of partners by about midnight.
 

JCRD

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I'm hoping the fact that this is the last chance saloon to have anything to fight for in the next two tests will spur on stokes and root. I'm gonna go for a 150 partnership here.
 

dvdhopeful

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England are like Spurs during a bad patch, even though I know they are shit and have no chance, I still remain delusionally optimistic in the face of irrefutable evidence.

'If we can just get a 150 run lead, batting last will be tricky, Jimmy's nagging length, bit of movement, Mark Wood cranking upto 94mph. Just need Root and Stok..... and Stokes is out'.

Now Bairstow is in, just repeat the above nonsense....
 

dvdhopeful

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England are like Spurs during a bad patch, even though I know they are shit and have no chance, I still remain delusionally optimistic in the face of irrefutable evidence.

'If we can just get a 150 run lead, batting last will be tricky, Jimmy's nagging length, bit of movement, Mark Wood cranking upto 94mph. Just need Root and Stok..... and Stokes is out'.

Now Bairstow is in, just repeat the above nonsense....
Now Buttler is in, just repeat the above nonsense.....
 
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